2016 Democratic Thread

[Quin]

So apparently it's mathematically impossible for Bernie to win on pledged votes.

 

Kinda hilarious after his supporters ripped the superdelegates for so long, saying that he'd win if not for them.

[bmags]

So apparently it's mathematically impossible for Bernie to win on pledged votes.

 

Kinda hilarious after his supporters ripped the superdelegates for so long, saying that he'd win if not for them.

 

It's especially annoying after Obama played the exact same playbook 4 years ago but won. He used the crappy caucus system to get huge edges for 1-2 more delegates here nad there, kept it close in less advantageous states and focused on states where he could win huge margins. And then there was nevada, where he lost but won all delegates.

 

But I'm sure it's because the 10 octogenarians that watch cable news didn't get fair coverage for Bernie.

[pettie4sox]

Bernie is losing because he's not a democrat and the establishment has done well to brand him as such. He is essentially piggybacking on the democrat party the same way Trump is doing so with the Republicans. For him pretty much being a no name politician he has done rather well.

 

In 4 years, if a similar candidate is produced maybe it will bode better for them.

 

Between Trump and Clinton we have two s***ty ass choices but it's somewhat like this every presidential cycle.

 

America loves to take it up the rectum and deserve everything it has coming to it by electing god awful candidates all the time.

[bmags]

America has 330 million people in it. To build a winning coalition behind a single person, you probably are going to see a lot of things that you feel compromised on. Clinton is smart, experienced, and committed to actually governing the country. You can do worse. See: phillipines. See: Brazil.

 

Look around the world and find me all of the competent governments and which leaders you think are great. America really isn't doing a poor job.

[GoSox05]

Lmao. Vote Hillary, it could be worse!

[pettie4sox]

America has 330 million people in it. To build a winning coalition behind a single person, you probably are going to see a lot of things that you feel compromised on. Clinton is smart, experienced, and committed to actually governing the country. You can do worse. See: phillipines. See: Brazil.

 

Look around the world and find me all of the competent governments and which leaders you think are great. America really isn't doing a poor job.

 

You cannot be serious with this comment.

[bmags]

Lmao. Vote Hillary, it could be worse!

 

That's not my argument. But if you are already predisposed to not liking her candidacy, and are going to throw around how America deserves its terrible leaders, equating her to trump on an equal level, and try to take down it all in your temper tantrums, then I'll point out that you are wrong.

[bmags]

You cannot be serious with this comment.

 

I'm very serious in this comment. I don't have time for the woe is me of Sanders supporters.

[Quin]

You cannot be serious with this comment.

 

About the smart, experienced or committed to running the country part?

[pettie4sox]

Nah more of his excuse that the population of our country causes us to lag behind other countries when it comes to basic rights.

[southsider2k5]

Bernie is losing because he's not a democrat and the establishment has done well to brand him as such. He is essentially piggybacking on the democrat party the same way Trump is doing so with the Republicans. For him pretty much being a no name politician he has done rather well.

 

In 4 years, if a similar candidate is produced maybe it will bode better for them.

 

Between Trump and Clinton we have two s***ty ass choices but it's somewhat like this every presidential cycle.

 

America loves to take it up the rectum and deserve everything it has coming to it by electing god awful candidates all the time.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-elec...l-idUSKCN0Y21TN

 

Trump and Clinton both have much to prove to the American electorate. The Reuters/Ipsos poll found earlier this month that a majority of voters did not trust either candidate with key presidential responsibilities such as managing the U.S. economy, handling the role of U.S. commander in chief, and conducting themselves according to a “high moral standard.”

 

The candidates' choice of running mates could also be important. Voters surveyed in the poll said they would be more likely to support Clinton if her choice for vice president was a liberal, while Trump would help his chances if he picked someone experienced in politics and someone who is “consistently” conservative.

[StrangeSox]

Bernie's main reason to stay in race is same as clintons was in 08, a desire to let all of his supporters cast their vote for him. He'll drop out after california. They do deserve that, he was a strong candidate, with high enthusiasm levels.

 

More delegates = more leverage at the convention when it comes to the party platform, future appointments etc.

[greg775]

As far as the delegate race, if Bernie was within 100 of Hilary's lead (not counting the superdelegates), he'd have a point....but coming into last night it was closer to 300.

Yes, but supposedly America loves a good underdog story. America loves a close horse-race. Cept when it involves the beloved Clinton family (by media). Bernie wins .... yet he loses (on TV with pundits) time and time and time again. Nothing to see here folks. Bernie has no chance!!! (as he receives the winners trophy; not a participation trophy AGAIN, this time in W. Va.)

 

Bernie's main reason to stay in race is same as clintons was in 08, a desire to let all of his supporters cast their vote for him. He'll drop out after california. They do deserve that, he was a strong candidate, with high enthusiasm levels.

Yeah, Bernie isn't getting a kick out of ... WINNING. The old man's "main reason" for staying in race is to be nice to his supporters. How condescending. Bernie is blazing in case you haven't noticed (albeit it's hard to notice cause of media).

 

But I'm sure it's because the 10 octogenarians that watch cable news didn't get fair coverage for Bernie.

What? I didn't know cable news was failing with any age group but octo's. You hear about it an awful lot for it being watched by ... nobody? I don't watch it live; I watch the replays after Bernie wins to see if they give his victory a fair shake, then turn it off after 10 minutes, upon checking each channel and hearing them mock him.

 

Clinton is smart, experienced, and committed to actually governing the country.

This is what confounds me. You believe that?? Sir ... Clinton is not what you say. She is actually rich, well connected and committed to her place in history, not actually governing the country. That's kind of a sidelight to accomplishing the former. Her ego is bigger than the sun. You actually described Bernie WAY more than Hillary.

[greg775]

I'm very serious in this comment. I don't have time for the woe is me of Sanders supporters.

You don't have time for uh, fairness? The man is the first underdog in memory to be scratching, clawing (for votes) and WINNING an awful lot of the time and discarded to the curb (via the media) like he's Howard Stern running for office or something. This is not a joke, folks; Bernie fever should be catching but the Chris Matthews' of the world are shilling so badly for Hillary and getting away with it.

[illinilaw08]

You don't have time for uh, fairness? The man is the first underdog in memory to be scratching, clawing (for votes) and WINNING an awful lot of the time and discarded to the curb (via the media) like he's Howard Stern running for office or something. This is not a joke, folks; Bernie fever should be catching but the Chris Matthews' of the world are shilling so badly for Hillary and getting away with it.

 

Greg - if the Sox were 20 games behind the Royals last year with 18 games to play, and then won 18 straight games against the Royals (because for some reason they were playing each other 18 times in a row), they would still finish behind the Royals right?

 

That's basically what's happening here. Sanders is winning a lot of states, but he's so far behind already that he doesn't have a real chance at the nomination.

 

I'm not sure why you are struggling with this concept...

[bmags]

Nah more of his excuse that the population of our country causes us to lag behind other countries when it comes to basic rights.

 

Yeah, I know Bernie supporters just started paying attention in the last 4 years, but when I grew up conservatives had held the presidency for 28 out of 42 years and upended the house and senate map. That doesn't happen because tv media isn't fair to someone or the clintons, it happens because the country is full of a bunch of people that don't always agree with you. Bernie supporters white wash this as it being the fault of institutions, and can't deal with the fact that a lot of people disagree with you and will fight you on it.

[bmags]

You don't have time for uh, fairness? The man is the first underdog in memory to be scratching, clawing (for votes) and WINNING an awful lot of the time and discarded to the curb (via the media) like he's Howard Stern running for office or something. This is not a joke, folks; Bernie fever should be catching but the Chris Matthews' of the world are shilling so badly for Hillary and getting away with it.

 

You know what's not fair? Caucuses. You should focus on that.

[bmags]

Cause nothing is cut and dried. IMO Bernie has won enough states the last several weeks he deserves coverage as a contender. In your scenario, the Sox charge would be covered extensively, people questioning the Royals (Hillary) while praising all aspects of the Sox's attempt to pass the Royals. Here, the process is ignored ... "he can't win anyway" the baseball race you cited would be covered extensively.

 

Oh, look at those noble Sox, claiming that they are leading when they clearly are not, and saying if we don't give them the nomination for their hard effort they will boycott league.

[greg775]

Greg - if the Sox were 20 games behind the Royals last year with 18 games to play, and then won 18 straight games against the Royals (because for some reason they were playing each other 18 times in a row), they would still finish behind the Royals right?

 

That's basically what's happening here. Sanders is winning a lot of states, but he's so far behind already that he doesn't have a real chance at the nomination.

 

I'm not sure why you are struggling with this concept...

Rarely does the ongoing process get ignored when there is still a mathematical chance, especially with the momentum he has. In your scenario the Sox could not win.

[Quin]

Rarely does the ongoing process get ignored when there is still a mathematical chance, especially with the momentum he has. In your scenario the Sox could not win.

 

There’s one more reason for Bernie Sanders focus his energy on winning over super delegates — it's now mathematically impossible for him to reach the magic number for the Democratic nomination by winning the remaining pledged delegates alone.

 

 

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-pri...5#ixzz48OFos3mZ

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You're welcome. Or will this be ignored by you as well?

[pettie4sox]

Yeah, I know Bernie supporters just started paying attention in the last 4 years, but when I grew up conservatives had held the presidency for 28 out of 42 years and upended the house and senate map. That doesn't happen because tv media isn't fair to someone or the clintons, it happens because the country is full of a bunch of people that don't always agree with you. Bernie supporters white wash this as it being the fault of institutions, and can't deal with the fact that a lot of people disagree with you and will fight you on it.

 

You really don't need to berate people who don't look upon Clinton favorably. She is not as well liked as you would like to proclaim.

 

I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 (Romney...) because he pretty much said he was going to try to be progressive and change s***. After the GWBjr mess, you would take anyone that would be a breath of fresh air at that point. Washington proved too tall of a task to do so and him being black didn't help matters.

 

Clinton OTOH started all of the birther and inexperience hot takes during the primaries in 08. People sometimes forget that and think Trump started it.

 

The bottom line is you think Clinton to be capable leader and I do not for many of the reasons some posters have stated in this thread. Plus I do not like giving power to certain families repeatedly, see Bush.

 

You should really avoid the generalizations as if supporters of a certain candidates are automatons. I certainly don't think of Clinton supporters that way.

[greg775]

You're welcome. Or will this be ignored by you as well?

If that's true he should drop out. Did you see the NY Post headline BTW? Stop The Coronation? Weird timing if she's won.

 

http://nypost.com/2016/05/10/hillary-clint...veling-quickly/

Edited May 12, 2016 by greg775

[caulfield12]

Germany, although the immigration situation is vexing, they are at least willing to TRY to help...

 

Norway/Finland/Sweden/Denmark

 

Netherlands

 

Slovenia

 

Tunisia (after dictator was thrown out)

 

Singapore

 

Canada

 

Vietnam/Indonesia

 

Taiwan/HK/Macau

 

India has a chance if they can get that democracy idea perfected and control corruption more effectively

 

Austria

 

Australia/New Zealand

[greg775]

Hasn't your whole argument been everyone in the media loves Hillary, and no one gives any attention to Bernie?

 

In this post, your saying Bernie should drop out, and link to a story from the NY Post talking about how Hillary is crumbling. Do you see the contradiction????

 

Pick a lane.

I didn't read the article I just saw the headline so far.

[greg775]

In case anybody else doesn't like Hillary, this is pretty funny from Dennis Miller this year and a few years ago too.

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2016 by greg775