2016 Democratic Thread

[DrunkBomber]

Nah, they already wanted to do this, what are they gonna do, like super duper extra wanna do it?

Just because they wanted to do it doesnt mean they would always be willing to take the risks involved in actually doing it. This gives them an added incentive.

[greg775]

greg you are not going to change anyone's mind about who to vote for, so if that's your goal just give it up.

Even after reading this? Hillary turns to her husband to run the economy. Even the staunchest Hillary supporters must realize she has shown a great weakness in making her husband in charge of such an important part of a president's workload. Please tell me you support her after this bombshell.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-argument-cli...6289370166.html

[pettie4sox]

Even after reading this? Hillary turns to her husband to run the economy. Even the staunchest Hillary supporters must realize she has shown a great weakness in making her husband in charge of such an important part of a president's workload. Please tell me you support her after this bombshell.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-argument-cli...6289370166.html

 

Partisan voters. Lesser of two evils here is definitely Hillary.

[lostfan]

Even after reading this? Hillary turns to her husband to run the economy. Even the staunchest Hillary supporters must realize she has shown a great weakness in making her husband in charge of such an important part of a president's workload. Please tell me you support her after this bombshell.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-argument-cli...6289370166.html

This is a bombshell to you? You know the president doesn't actually do everything right? All presidents do something like this, Obama delegated the same task to him when he was running for re-election in 2012. In Hillary's case she just happens to be married to him.

[Texsox]

Even after reading this? Hillary turns to her husband to run the economy. Even the staunchest Hillary supporters must realize she has shown a great weakness in making her husband in charge of such an important part of a president's workload. Please tell me you support her after this bombshell.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-argument-cli...6289370166.html

 

The economy was pretty damn good while he was President. Naming potential cabinet appointees and top advisers does the public a great service. It allows the voters a greater glimpse into what that candidate's administration would look like. I appreciate that transparency. Now, what do you think Trump could have his spouse do?

[StrangeSox]

 

Trump Repeatedly Told Trump U There Was No Bubble Months Before Housing Collapse

 

Donald Trump in 2006: I 'sort of hope' real estate market tanks

[bmags]

Exciting that he actually talked at trump u at some point.

[greg775]

The economy was pretty damn good while he was President. Naming potential cabinet appointees and top advisers does the public a great service. It allows the voters a greater glimpse into what that candidate's administration would look like. I appreciate that transparency. Now, what do you think Trump could have his spouse do?

 

Who cares about Trump? He's a rich clown who also needs to go away. That article I posted really blasted Hillary, though, for this decision. I say we need a third party candidate or everybody turn to Bernie. I think Bernie would do fine.

[greg775]

Everybody asks me, give me specifics why you don't like Hillary. Greg has no specifics.

Well here's ANOTHER column explaining why I despise her. How do you folks justify voting for her after reading this? And what do you think about Bill flying on that plane?

I know I know. The article is full of lies. Blah blah blah. When are some Hillary supporters going to realize where there's smoke there's a blaze around the corner? It's Bernie time, baby.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/20/...an-titanic.html

Edited May 21, 2016 by greg775

[caulfield12]

No Democrat will accept Fox News as a source for a "negative/hit" piece...

 

As far as flying on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane, it does show questionable associations/judgment, but it's not surprising. Epstein is worth $2 billion. Started off his career with Bear Stearns, one of the most famous investment banks in the world, and one that was at the center of the 2007-08 world financial crisis. Billionaires are treated quite differently, as we all know.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

 

You're also going to have to go after Harvard University (for not returning financial donations) and a whole long list of people.

 

Since all but one of his financial clients are anonymous, it has been speculated that much of Epstein's lavish lifestyle was once financed by Wexner.[5] In September 2002, he flew Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker to Africa in his private Boeing 727 to promote the former president's anti-AIDS efforts.[5][better source needed]

 

He is also a longtime friend of Prince Andrew, Duke of York: they have stayed at each other's homes, and have vacationed together in Thailand. In December 2010, the prince was a guest in Epstein's New York residence for several days, shortly after Epstein completed his Florida sentence for soliciting an underage girl. His dinner with Andrew at the mansion was attended by (among others) Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, Charlie Rose, and Woody Allen.[8] The 50,000-square-foot (4,600 m2) 9-story mansion is just off Fifth Avenue and overlooks the Frick Collection. It is reported to be the largest private residence in Manhattan, having originally been built as the Birch Wathen School.

 

Epstein, in the past has associated with many well-known scientific personalities, such as Gerald Edelman, Murray Gell-Mann, Stephen Hawking, Kip Thorne, Lawrence Krauss, Lee Smolin and Gregory Benford.[5][14][15] In 2006, Epstein's foundations sponsored a conference on St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands with Hawking, Krauss, and Nobel laureates Gerard 't Hooft, David Gross and Frank Wilczek, covering such topics as unified gravity theory, neuroscience, the origins of language and global threats to the Earth.[15]

wikipedia.com

 

[StrangeSox]

Haha Wayne Allen root.

 

Trump also traveled with epstein

[greg775]

Haha Wayne Allen root.

 

Trump also traveled with epstein

But Bernie didn't! he's not a SOCIALIST people, he's a Democratic socialist. Big difference. Why can we as a nation all get behind Bernie. He's the one candidate people could get behind for his likeability and trustworthiness. Let's work with Bernie and make America great again. Bernie is somebody we could be proud of.

 

Hillary? Cmon every time we see her the next 8 years we'll think of snake oil salesman.

Trump? Every time we think of him we'll think of this nutjob could press the button and end the world.

Bernie?? Get him a great Veep and let him rock n roll.

[greg775]

Hillary is going to be president at the age of 69-73 the first term; 73-77 the second term. Trump turns 70 on June 14. We know Bernie is very old.

 

My question is why the hell as a country haven't we picked one of the young candidates to lead this country? To get behind fresh young ideas? Visionary ideas like a 40 year old Kennedy?? Hillary fricking Clinton and Trump if they were in many families would be considered the old grandma and grandpa that nobody listens to, just the ramblings of old folk. In this day and age of electronics and even the Millenial generation coming of age we can do no better than octogenarians.

I mean in the working world (you know it's true) if they applied for a real job anywhere they'd be laughed off company property. Their resumes at their age would be tossed in the trash bin. Only way they'd have a job is if they owned the company. I mean they are OLD. Nobody over 50 can get considered for a job nowadays much less 70.

 

Why couldn't we embrace a Rubio or Cruz or one of the young Democrats out there emerge? The Democrats decided it was Hillary's time? Why? She's gonna be our president at the age of 77 for goshsakes. This is a young country; young ideas have to take over and save us before we kill the environment completely and kill the economy completely, before China takes us over or North Korea drops some nukes or before air travel is rendered IMPOSSIBLE because of terrorism (see last week's incident). But we turn to octogenarians when no octogenarian would EVER get his/her resume looked at twice by a company president for a real job.

 

Explain people. What is with America?? I mean we treat our old veterans like s*** (month long waits to get to the hospital exposed!), we treat our old people like s*** (atrocities at old folks homes) and we're about to elect an octo. It should be interesting to see if age is mentioned during her second term at all. Hope she has thick skin cause people are gonna be roasting her for her age. I hope business owners realize how silly they are denying 52 year olds jobs when our president is gonna be close to 80 during Hillary's second term.

Edited May 23, 2016 by greg775

[Quin]

The only reason Hillary is in this is because she has thicker skin than everyone else.

[Texsox]

Hillary is going to be president at the age of 69-73 the first term; 73-77 the second term. Trump turns 70 on June 14. We know Bernie is very old.

 

My question is why the hell as a country haven't we picked one of the young candidates to lead this country? To get behind fresh young ideas? Visionary ideas like a 40 year old Kennedy?? Hillary fricking Clinton and Trump if they were in many families would be considered the old grandma and grandpa that nobody listens to, just the ramblings of old folk. In this day and age of electronics and even the Millenial generation coming of age we can do no better than octogenarians.

I mean in the working world (you know it's true) if they applied for a real job anywhere they'd be laughed off company property. Their resumes at their age would be tossed in the trash bin. Only way they'd have a job is if they owned the company. I mean they are OLD. Nobody over 50 can get considered for a job nowadays much less 70.

 

Why couldn't we embrace a Rubio or Cruz or one of the young Democrats out there emerge? The Democrats decided it was Hillary's time? Why? She's gonna be our president at the age of 77 for goshsakes. This is a young country; young ideas have to take over and save us before we kill the environment completely and kill the economy completely, before China takes us over or North Korea drops some nukes or before air travel is rendered IMPOSSIBLE because of terrorism (see last week's incident). But we turn to octogenarians when no octogenarian would EVER get his/her resume looked at twice by a company president for a real job.

 

Explain people. What is with America?? I mean we treat our old veterans like s*** (month long waits to get to the hospital exposed!), we treat our old people like s*** (atrocities at old folks homes) and we're about to elect an octo. It should be interesting to see if age is mentioned during her second term at all. Hope she has thick skin cause people are gonna be roasting her for her age. I hope business owners realize how silly they are denying 52 year olds jobs when our president is gonna be close to 80 during Hillary's second term.

 

Nice try. Hits a few hot buttons. You may be able to incite a person or two. I think you're stretching just a little bit here. Troll level 4 on a 10 point scale. Not your best effort Greg. Maybe it seems forced and not your true belief.

 

[bmags]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-...0522-story.html

 

When I read stuff like this, it just reaffirms my belief that states have a moral obligation to the country to force cities (and surrounding metro areas) to build a lot more housing. If the evolution is to highly technical jobs and the service economies supporting it, we cannot have a barrier to entry of expensive housing to move there.

 

San Francisco it is estimated is 200k housing units in the red. I'm sure washington is at least 50k. Chicago has approved a couple of good housing developments to help keep it closer, but the rapidly increasing neighborhoods are already facing NIMBY/anti-gentrification pressures.

[Texsox]

I believe for a moral argument to work it would have to be tied to the economy and security. These are two key obligations we should expect from our government.

[bmags]

I believe for a moral argument to work it would have to be tied to the economy and security. These are two key obligations we should expect from our government.

 

Well, hence the article that economic growth is being increasingly centralized in major metro hubs.

[Texsox]

Well, hence the article that economic growth is being increasingly centralized in major metro hubs.

 

The question is who should solve the housing issues, government or private business?

[bmags]

The question is who should solve the housing issues, government or private business?

 

Currently the restrictions on building are a government issue, a local government issue. Federally they have limited power to put pressure on cities, but states can have more sway.

 

There are plenty of builders willing to build right now, when we have ample housing and still see high cost entry issues, then you can move on to step two of solving that. BUt adding rent control when there is a capacity issue doesn't solve much.

[greg775]

Nice try. Hits a few hot buttons. You may be able to incite a person or two. I think you're stretching just a little bit here. Troll level 4 on a 10 point scale. Not your best effort Greg. Maybe it seems forced and not your true belief.

I had to put it out there before I could effectively argue my point: I want youth in the White House. new blood.

[Texsox]

I had to put it out there before I could effectively argue my point: I want youth in the White House. new blood.

 

Well a few people circled the bait, but it seems they all swam away without getting hooked.

 

New blood versus an experienced leader. It's a classic debate.

[greg775]

Seriously folks, Hillary gives a boring 20 minute speech and makes this kind of money? You explain to me why this person should be President?

 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/23/rush-lim...e-the-election/

 

This one is especially appalling. Do people think haters are making this stuff up? I've never heard of such easy money in my life. Even Michael Jordan probably can't get that kind of appearance money.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/11/exclusiv...ry-100-million/

 

I'm not trying to be a dick, just understand your passion for such an evil person at least in Greg's opinion.

Edited May 24, 2016 by greg775

[caulfield12]

Hillary vs. Mao Zedong, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Nicolae Ceaușescu, Saddam Hussein and Moamar Khadafi...does Greg go with all those "less evil" dictators over her?

[LittleHurt05]

I had to put it out there before I could effectively argue my point: I want youth in the White House. new blood.

 

Nothing says youth and new blood like a 75 year old career politician. Troll game is slacking greg.