2016 Democratic Thread

[Texsox]

Seriously folks, Hillary gives a boring 20 minute speech and makes this kind of money? You explain to me why this person should be President?

 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/23/rush-lim...e-the-election/

 

This one is especially appalling. Do people think haters are making this stuff up? I've never heard of such easy money in my life. Even Michael Jordan probably can't get that kind of appearance money.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/11/exclusiv...ry-100-million/

 

I'm not trying to be a dick, just understand your passion for such an evil person at least in Greg's opinion.

 

And probably raises 5x that for the organization that invited her. Like MJ, the great ones don't look like they are trying.

[StrangeSox]

I can't wait for more great links to breitbart and daily caller!

[lostfan]

Daily Caller might be the single worst political website on the internet that isn't an overt white supremacist site. Breitbart really toes that line, though. There's some hack left-wing sites out there, but none that are really the equivalent of those. Daily Caller is just effing horrendous.

[StrangeSox]

Speaking of overt white supremacists, so weird how they're all attracted to Trump!

 

Behind The Scenes With Trump’s White Nationalist Fans (PHOTOS)

Three hundred self-stylized "race realists" came together over the weekend at Tennessee’s Montgomery Bell State Park for the fourteenth annual American Renaissance conference, put on by one of the country’s leading white nationalist publications. Many of them, ardent immigration activists, pointed to Donald Trump’s campaign as a positive sign for the future of their movement.

[StrangeSox]

Trump's hired a Goldman Sachs guy to run his fundraising, he's accepted a boatload of cash from Sheldon Adelson (seriously, how does this guy have hundreds of millions of dollars to burn regularly?), and he's announced a joint fundraising plan with the GOP. So much for getting money out of politics (lol if you ever believed that).

Trump set to headline first campaign fundraiser in Albuquerque Tuesday

 

Asking $10k/plate. More of Trump getting money out of politics.

[greg775]

Nothing says youth and new blood like a 75 year old career politician. Troll game is slacking greg.

I like Bernie the best of these 3. I was lamenting no young candidate to choose from and lead America. It is disgraceful those are our three choices. It's why America is not great anymore. Our political system is garbage. It's corrupt on all levels, state and national and we're about to elect one of the biggest scam artists of all.

I want youth. We get three octos. Hillary will be 77 when she's in her final year. Meanwhile a 50 year old can't get a job in the real world cause he's making too much jack and companies are saving every penny to give their CEO. Weird world.

[lostfan]

I like Bernie the best of these 3. I was lamenting no young candidate to choose from and lead America. It is disgraceful those are our three choices. It's why America is not great anymore. Our political system is garbage. It's corrupt on all levels, state and national and we're about to elect one of the biggest scam artists of all.

I want youth. We get three octos. Hillary will be 77 when she's in her final year. Meanwhile a 50 year old can't get a job in the real world cause he's making too much jack and companies are saving every penny to give their CEO. Weird world.

"This is what our system produces. Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't gonna be any good cuz you'll wind up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. Maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like the public. The public sucks." -Carlin

 

Trump is like the political version of a mathematic proof of this statement.

[bmags]

Very frustrating update - this only applies to the places zoned for dense development:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac...snap-story.html

 

 

[StrangeSox]

I like Bernie the best of these 3. I was lamenting no young candidate to choose from and lead America. It is disgraceful those are our three choices. It's why America is not great anymore. Our political system is garbage. It's corrupt on all levels, state and national and we're about to elect one of the biggest scam artists of all.

I want youth. We get three octos. Hillary will be 77 when she's in her final year. Meanwhile a 50 year old can't get a job in the real world cause he's making too much jack and companies are saving every penny to give their CEO. Weird world.

 

Obama was pretty young and you seem to think he's been terrible so

[greg775]

"This is what our system produces. Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't gonna be any good cuz you'll wind up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. Maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like the public. The public sucks." -Carlin

 

Trump is like the political version of a mathematic proof of this statement.

I love George Carlin and all he stood for. Great great comic genius.

 

Obama was pretty young and you seem to think he's been terrible so

I said I like him as a person. And as a Sox fan. Obama's personality is pretty awesome. He just didn't do anything. He couldn't garner any support of Congress on anything. But I've never said he wasn't a great guy. I voted for him the second time, lol, yes I did. Romney sickened me much in the same way Hillary does.

[caulfield12]

Obama arguably wasn't ready, and he was in his late 40's.

 

Clinton was 46, but with extensive political experience by that age in terms of being governor from 1978-80 and then 82-92. I want to say he was one of the youngest, if not THE youngest, governors in history at the time. Gore also had a ton of experience and was a seasoned/established senator by that election, having run for president in 1988 as well.

 

Kennedy probably wasn't ready, but had a great team of advisors around him (the best and the brightest). His oldest brother who was shot down in Europe during WW II was the one everyone expected and had been groomed by Joe Kennedy. John was terribly sick and had Addison's Disease. Certainly one of the most controversial and iconic leaders of the last 100 years, largely due to his youth/charisma and 11/22/63.

 

Bush was already 54, but relatively inexperienced as the Texas governorship is mostly symbolic, and he didn't start to get his act together until his early 40's (if he ever did, lol).

 

By and large, young and successful presidents are fairly rare. The only other one that comes to mind is Theodore Roosevelt, who eventually ended up splitting his party in two and giving the election to Woodrow Wilson.

 

 

In the end, America hasn't often trusted young AND inexperienced leaders. It was a huge black mark against Rubio, and he suffered a lot of Obama comparisons as he fought for the nomination.

 

 

[greg775]

Kennedy probably wasn't ready, but had a great team of advisors around him (the best and the brightest).

This is what it takes. A young President who simply kicks ass with his staff selections. It can't be that difficult for a President to surround himself with such good people it helps break the gridlock. If I were President I'd say "f*** the world, f*** my party" and name whoever I thought was AWESOME Republican or Democrats. There are no true leaders anymore. Obama gets an F as a "leader" you all must agree. Bush gets an F; the older Bush gets an F; Reagan gets an A or B. Bill Clinton gets a B or C. Carter gets a B on the leadership scale.

Hillary and Trump? LOL. They will be disasters on the leadership front. I actually think Trump will wind up getting impeached if he somehow wins (which he won't). Hillary probably won't get impeached but she will be one of the worst presidents ever and she won't get one thing fixed in our country. WHo the hell will the Republicans get to oppose her in five years? That will be the joke of all time. Nobody in their right mind will want to lose to the Queen. Will Hillary run unopposed? Maybe Romney will take one for the team and get crushed by Hillary in 2020.

Edited May 25, 2016 by greg775

[GoSox05]

This is what it takes. A young President who simply kicks ass with his staff selections. It can't be that difficult for a President to surround himself with such good people it helps break the gridlock. If I were President I'd say "f*** the world, f*** my party" and name whoever I thought was AWESOME Republican or Democrats. There are no true leaders anymore. Obama gets an F as a "leader" you all must agree. Bush gets an F; the older Bush gets an F; Reagan gets an A or B. Bill Clinton gets a B or C. Carter gets a B on the leadership scale.

Hillary and Trump? LOL. They will be disasters on the leadership front. I actually think Trump will wind up getting impeached if he somehow wins (which he won't). Hillary probably won't get impeached but she will be one of the worst presidents ever and she won't get one thing fixed in our country. WHo the hell will the Republicans get to oppose her in five years? That will be the joke of all time. Nobody in their right mind will want to lose to the Queen. Will Hillary run unopposed? Maybe Romney will take one for the team and get crushed by Hillary in 2020.

 

Reagan Reagan should get an A+. His leadership on foreign policy in Central America was super good. Not to mention his leadership during the beginning of the AIDS crisis. He is the best ever.

 

 

[caulfield12]

A- Letting Astrologists/Nancy Reagan make key decisions

B- Grenada

D Iran-Contra/Manuel Noriega/Oliver North

 

But he single-handedly won the Cold War, tore down the Berlin Wall (well, actually happened under GHW Bush) and rallied/united the country against the dark forces of communism.

 

And started the great push back against the social services field in terms of helping Vietnam Veterans/homeless, basically anyone suffering from hunger/poverty, etc.

 

Didn't do a great job with the crack cocaine epidemic, either. WAR ON DRUGS...well, if you watched Michael Moore's latest documentary, you'd get some firsthand examples of countries that have done the exact opposite and fared much better in terms of their societal fabric not being torn apart.

[Texsox]

I believe the greatest problem we still have from the Reagan years was he united the Dems and his party in high deficits. No longer do we have tax and spend Dems and don't tax and don't spend Reps. Now we have cut taxes and spend, spend, spend.

[Texsox]

But what Reagan was a master at was the role of cheerleader in chief which we badly needed at the time. After the Nixon - Ford - Carter years we needed someone to ride in on the white horse (literally) with a swagger and smile, and make America feel good about themselves. We went from holding our head down to a brash confidence. In my lifetime, (just a little too young to remember Kennedy) he was the gold standard. Clinton came close. After the old guy club, 12 years of grandfathers running the country, he comes into office to Fleetwood Mac and blowing his saxophone. Hell, that young vigor is partly why we've given him such a pass in regards to Monica and others. Again, a huge shift in attitude.

 

I don't see a positive attitude change after this election. Probably after the next one.

[caulfield12]

What Republican will come in 4 years from now with a positive message that people will buy?

 

Ryan?

Rubio?

Kasich?

 

 

[Texsox]

It doesn't have to be a Republican, it could be a Dem.

[StrangeSox]

Not everyone had such a rosy view of Reagan and his right-wing conservatism.

[Texsox]

Not everyone had such a rosy view of Reagan and his right-wing conservatism.

 

During his presidency it wasn't as pronounced as years later. I remember thinking we would be tossing nuclear weapons around. I could not image anyone actually voting for him. (I didn't).

[greg775]

But what Reagan was a master at was the role of cheerleader in chief which we badly needed at the time. After the Nixon - Ford - Carter years we needed someone to ride in on the white horse (literally) with a swagger and smile, and make America feel good about themselves. We went from holding our head down to a brash confidence. In my lifetime, (just a little too young to remember Kennedy) he was the gold standard. Clinton came close. After the old guy club, 12 years of grandfathers running the country, he comes into office to Fleetwood Mac and blowing his saxophone. Hell, that young vigor is partly why we've given him such a pass in regards to Monica and others. Again, a huge shift in attitude.

 

I don't see a positive attitude change after this election. Probably after the next one.

Eight years of Hillary is a long time. Can you imagine the next election? She is going to be insufferable as a speaker/leader by then, but at the same time she will be an icon. She'll be getting a lot of love internationally for being the first woman president of the USA. She won't be opposed by any Democrats in 2020 meaning she'll just glow during primary season. She'll wave to the crowds as she gives a few speeches or two indicating, "you liked my first four years? Wait til you see what we have in store the next four!"

Then going against the Republicans ... nobody in their right mind will run against America's No. 1 citizen. By then the media will have adopted her as the greatest president of all time. It's going to be all Hillary all the time years 3 through 8.

[caulfield12]

Very few incumbent presidents have been stronger the second time around.

 

It's quite unusual, unless there's a wartime situation like Roosevelt in 1940 or 44. Reagan in 84, Clinton in 96...but it requires an improvement in peoples' optimism/confidence and better economic prospects for the future.

 

At any rate, the odds of the economy still going strong after this 8 year cycle of "easy" Fed money and low interest rates for both homebuyers/business loans/government bonds. Just don't see it continuing, especially with China, Brazil and the rest of the world continuing to slow down.

 

It should be fairly easy for the Republicans if they can nominate a younger candidate with positive proposals that isn't simply about cutting taxes/supply side reforms. Hopefully, entitlement programs can finally be addressed, but the Dems will obviously attack anyone like Ryan who goes after them.

Edited May 26, 2016 by caulfield12

[StrangeSox]

Good, Democrats should attack anyone that wants to destroy our social welfare programs against the will of a vast majority of Americans.

[southsider2k5]

The only reason Hillary is in this is because she has thicker skin than everyone else.

 

Hillary is basically where John McCain was. She is next in line, and no one better emerged.

[lostfan]

Hillary is basically where John McCain was. She is next in line, and no one better emerged.

McCain's comeback was one of the strangest things. He was completely dead in the water in January, but then Giuliani made one of the dumbest strategic decisions in the history of politics and his campaign imploded, so that changed everything and suddenly he found himself at the top.