2016 Republican Thread

[caulfield12]

You think there's any chance Kasich chooses Carson as a running mate? Those must be some pretty good drugs getting around there in China.

 

Nope.

 

Responding to Greg via your quote.

 

Selling controversial books or intimating the stock market or RMB might go down will get you imprisoned here these days.

[LDF]

The Daily Currant is a satirical website.

 

you may be right, but the main question, rhetorically is, did she say anything like that????

[southsider2k5]

The Daily Currant is a satirical website.

 

[LDF]

No, I am right. The site clearly states that.

 

There is no rhetorical question needed. The site makes up stories for amusement. It's entertainment, not news. The quote is made up for humor.

 

many thanks for that, i guess i stand corrected on the validity of the article.

[LDF]

This is from the site itself:

 

 

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good catch. as i have said, where i live, i have breakfast with a group of NA indians-apache's. we just went on a war path, so to speak and i got worked up.

 

thanks for correcting it.

[Chisoxfn]

If by some miracle Kasich does get the nomination, he can't pick another moderate governor as his running mate. He would need somebody to help keep the far right from staying home on Election Day.

When push comes to shove, lets not pretend that the far right is going to not come out and vote when faced with an alternative of not coming out and getting Hillary or Bernie. And I always laugh how people don't think Bernie is a socialist when most all of the Bernie supporters I talk to (including a person who is working on his campaign trail) talk about how he is a socialist....but a different kind of socialist.

[cabiness42]

When push comes to shove, lets not pretend that the far right is going to not come out and vote when faced with an alternative of not coming out and getting Hillary or Bernie. And I always laugh how people don't think Bernie is a socialist when most all of the Bernie supporters I talk to (including a person who is working on his campaign trail) talk about how he is a socialist....but a different kind of socialist.

 

There are some who won't. Kasich supported the Medicaid expansion and that makes him more or less equivalent to a Democrat to some on the far, far right. It only takes a few thousand in Florida or North Carolina to stay home on election day to swing the election. Kasich certainly wouldn't take Cruz, but he would need to take somebody that Cruz supporters would like.

[pettie4sox]

He's clearly stated he is a democratic socialist. I'll admit, every voter base has their complete buffoons. Bernie's are no different. I do think it's disingenuous to say he's a socialist as a boogie man scare tactic though.

[Jenksismyhero]

There are some who won't. Kasich supported the Medicaid expansion and that makes him more or less equivalent to a Democrat to some on the far, far right. It only takes a few thousand in Florida or North Carolina to stay home on election day to swing the election. Kasich certainly wouldn't take Cruz, but he would need to take somebody that Cruz supporters would like.

 

You know what though, if anyone ever covered him he had a great response to that. He basically said, I don't support the expansion but who the hell turns down a free check of XX to their state?

 

And Kasich is viewed as a moderate and establishment. Trump is not. That's a huge, huge component to where the fringe Republican base is these days. They want an outsider. Someone who isn't DC. And Trump is certainly not DC.

[Jenksismyhero]

He's clearly stated he is a democratic socialist. I'll admit, every voter base has their complete buffoons. Bernie's are no different. I do think it's disingenuous to say he's a socialist as a boogie man scare tactic though.

 

He's as close to a socialist as you're going to find in 2015 America. Whether its democratic or not, it's still "the state will provide."

Edited February 15, 2016 by Jenksismybitch

[pettie4sox]

He's as close to a socialist as you're going to find in 2015 America. Whether its democratic or not, it's still "the state will provide."

 

The state already provides a bunch of services as is.

 

America as it is today, will not survive on the path it's set on. America should invest in America and not on giving out welfare to corporations.

 

[cabiness42]

You know what though, if anyone ever covered him he had a great response to that. He basically said, I don't support the expansion but who the hell turns down a free check of XX to their state?

 

And Kasich is viewed as a moderate and establishment. Trump is not. That's a huge, huge component to where the fringe Republican base is these days. They want an outsider. Someone who isn't DC. And Trump is certainly not DC.

 

It doesn't matter how he responds to it. He's already been painted as too far left by the far right, and if he is the nominee (which I still think is almost impossible) he is going to have to find somebody farther right (but not insane like Palin) to be on the ticket.

 

[Chisoxfn]

He's clearly stated he is a democratic socialist. I'll admit, every voter base has their complete buffoons. Bernie's are no different. I do think it's disingenuous to say he's a socialist as a boogie man scare tactic though.

Why do you have an issue with a democratic socialist being labeled a socialist by some of us. Slippery slope. I've said all along, one thing I give Bernie credit for, is I genuinely believe he has the best interest in this country at heart. II do have a hard time disagreeing with the general concept of free education and everyone having health care. Just think about how our society has changed over the past 30 years, it used to be the majority stopped at or during high school...now maybe the bachelors degree should be just a continued portion of your education?

 

How you pay for it, hard to say, but what if this debate was going on before school...would republicans have just argued that school isn't a right and only those who can pay for it, get loans to pay for it, etc, should go? I feel as I get older, I've actually moved more to the left than the right, but honestly, the argument well I had to pay for it is weak. I've long said I love the fact that Kasich broke party lines for health care. Whether the current form is in its best form, probably not, but the idea that people can't / shouldn't have coverage is just f***ing unbelievable.

[Jenksismyhero]

The state already provides a bunch of services as is.

 

America as it is today, will not survive on the path it's set on. America should invest in America and not on giving out welfare to corporations.

 

I don't disagree. But the flip-side, making even more of the population dependent on the government, is also not sustainable, whether you tax the piss out of the wealthy or not.

 

[Jenksismyhero]

It doesn't matter how he responds to it. He's already been painted as too far left by the far right, and if he is the nominee (which I still think is almost impossible) he is going to have to find somebody farther right (but not insane like Palin) to be on the ticket.

 

Eh, he could hook up with Rubio.

 

I don't think they have to worry about getting the fringe out to vote. Bernie provides the govt take over fear mongering the need. Hillary is....well she's Hillary. Both would be enough to motivate people to vote. Look at Iowa. Big numbers of interested voters.

[Chisoxfn]

I don't disagree. But the flip-side, making even more of the population dependent on the government, is also not sustainable, whether you tax the piss out of the wealthy or not.

You know, given my w-2 predicament, I firmly believe I pay more than a f***ing enough in taxes, however, I have gotten to know quite a few business owners and it f***ing blows my mind all the tax advantages that open up to them vs. me. I realize the whole "create" jobs thing, but s***, how come I pay twice that amount in taxes, etc? Seems illogical. I fully believe our tax code needs to be fixed and to me it isn't really taxing the piss out of the wealthy, but it absolutely means people pay there fair share of taxes and maybe if that gets in balance, and general spend gets in balance, why not doing something that ultimately ensures no matter what happens to you, your kids will have healthcare and the opportunity to get a college degree (without being forever in debt).

 

I can whine about how it isn't fair and how I went to college and had to pay, but I can also look at how much college costs have soared and think about how and what people are graduating with and go, wow, they are starting there actual lives worse off than I did roughly 10 years ago (its absurd how much worse to be frank).

[Chisoxfn]

Eh, he could hook up with Rubio.

 

I don't think they have to worry about getting the fringe out to vote. Bernie provides the govt take over fear mongering the need. Hillary is....well she's Hillary. Both would be enough to motivate people to vote. Look at Iowa. Big numbers of interested voters.

We completely agree on this.

[cabiness42]

You know, given my w-2 predicament, I firmly believe I pay more than a f***ing enough in taxes, however, I have gotten to know quite a few business owners and it f***ing blows my mind all the tax advantages that open up to them vs. me. I realize the whole "create" jobs thing, but s***, how come I pay twice that amount in taxes, etc? Seems illogical. I fully believe our tax code needs to be fixed and to me it isn't really taxing the piss out of the wealthy, but it absolutely means people pay there fair share of taxes and maybe if that gets in balance, and general spend gets in balance, why not doing something that ultimately ensures no matter what happens to you, your kids will have healthcare and the opportunity to get a college degree (without being forever in debt).

 

I can whine about how it isn't fair and how I went to college and had to pay, but I can also look at how much college costs have soared and think about how and what people are graduating with and go, wow, they are starting there actual lives worse off than I did roughly 10 years ago (its absurd how much worse to be frank).

 

Yeah, I'm similar to you. Don't raise personal income taxes for anybody under $500K or so, but fix the corporate tax code.

[Jenksismyhero]

You know, given my w-2 predicament, I firmly believe I pay more than a f***ing enough in taxes, however, I have gotten to know quite a few business owners and it f***ing blows my mind all the tax advantages that open up to them vs. me. I realize the whole "create" jobs thing, but s***, how come I pay twice that amount in taxes, etc? Seems illogical. I fully believe our tax code needs to be fixed and to me it isn't really taxing the piss out of the wealthy, but it absolutely means people pay there fair share of taxes and maybe if that gets in balance, and general spend gets in balance, why not doing something that ultimately ensures no matter what happens to you, your kids will have healthcare and the opportunity to get a college degree (without being forever in debt).

 

I can whine about how it isn't fair and how I went to college and had to pay, but I can also look at how much college costs have soared and think about how and what people are graduating with and go, wow, they are starting there actual lives worse off than I did roughly 10 years ago (its absurd how much worse to be frank).

 

You can look back on my posts here and i've said numerous times tax the wealthy at 100% if you want. Increase capital gains/investment taxes if you want. Do all of those things to your hearts desire. It'll have an affect on employment, but even if it didn't, it's still not enough to pay for the massive social programs that Bernie and other progressives want.

 

And you pay enough taxes now, Bernie's free college plan is going to make you pay more. Not just the rich, but the middle class too. Might not be directly, but you'll be paying more in fees and costs and everything else. The poor can't pay it, the rich will still avoid it or pass it on down. Who else is left?

[pettie4sox]

Why do you have an issue with a democratic socialist being labeled a socialist by some of us. Slippery slope. I've said all along, one thing I give Bernie credit for, is I genuinely believe he has the best interest in this country at heart. II do have a hard time disagreeing with the general concept of free education and everyone having health care. Just think about how our society has changed over the past 30 years, it used to be the majority stopped at or during high school...now maybe the bachelors degree should be just a continued portion of your education?

 

How you pay for it, hard to say, but what if this debate was going on before school...would republicans have just argued that school isn't a right and only those who can pay for it, get loans to pay for it, etc, should go? I feel as I get older, I've actually moved more to the left than the right, but honestly, the argument well I had to pay for it is weak. I've long said I love the fact that Kasich broke party lines for health care. Whether the current form is in its best form, probably not, but the idea that people can't / shouldn't have coverage is just f***ing unbelievable.

 

The whole college system needs reform. School should not cause people to go into severe debt. When I first graduated, I barely held my head above water with rent, utilities, groceries, and student loans. I had to work overtime just to survive and I didn't have any "disposable" income. I took the money so I am obligated to pay it back. That being said, I have paid a lot of them back already but it took me a few years working to actually get a job that paid me a decent wage. A lot of kids that just graduated from school lived with their f***ing parents working a professional job. That's quite damning if you ask me.

 

A lot of these colleges run their campuses like big business. They are always adding fees upon fees upon fees to the point that college is practically unaffordable to poor people unless they go into a lot of debt. Is it worth the cost of getting a degree if you're going to be drowning in debt? So you say no to college and now try to find work for a decent wage. Yeah... that's not happening either unless you're lucky with connections for a nice union gig. One is sort of trapped in this country that is full of opportunities and such and I use that term sarcastically.

 

I am back in school now but I received a fellowship that pays for everything for me. It pays to be black, smart, and studying a STEM discipline that's for sure. Although I don't pay anything, I see my tuition bills are like 8K a semester. It's a state school that charges that extraordinary amount for tuition. Mind blown! If I didn't get a fellowship, how the hell would I be able to afford to go back to school even working a professional job as long as I did?

 

As for the socialist comment. I feel that word has slight pejorative meaning and it is clearly meant to be a boogie man statement. Maybe the people on the forum don't necessarily mean in that way but socialism in it's purest form is not a doable form of government for the US. I believe democratic socialism isn't all that bad and I'm not some freeloader, non tax payer, hippy boy.

[StrangeSox]

He's as close to a socialist as you're going to find in 2015 America. Whether its democratic or not, it's still "the state will provide."

 

Yeah, he'd be more of a social democrat (moderate left position) than a democratic socialist in pretty much every other western democracy.

[Chisoxfn]

The whole college system needs reform. School should not cause people to go into severe debt. When I first graduated, I barely held my head above water with rent, utilities, groceries, and student loans. I had to work overtime just to survive and I didn't have any "disposable" income. I took the money so I am obligated to pay it back. That being said, I have paid a lot of them back already but it took me a few years working to actually get a job that paid me a decent wage. A lot of kids that just graduated from school lived with their f***ing parents working a professional job. That's quite damning if you ask me.

 

A lot of these colleges run their campuses like big business. They are always adding fees upon fees upon fees to the point that college is practically unaffordable to poor people unless they go into a lot of debt. Is it worth the cost of getting a degree if you're going to be drowning in debt? So you say no to college and now try to find work for a decent wage. Yeah... that's not happening either unless you're lucky with connections for a nice union gig. One is sort of trapped in this country that is full of opportunities and such and I use that term sarcastically.

 

I am back in school now but I received a fellowship that pays for everything for me. It pays to be black, smart, and studying a STEM discipline that's for sure. Although I don't pay anything, I see my tuition bills are like 8K a semester. It's a state school that charges that extraordinary amount for tuition. Mind blown! If I didn't get a fellowship, how the hell would I be able to afford to go back to school even working a professional job as long as I did?

 

As for the socialist comment. I feel that word has slight pejorative meaning and it is clearly meant to be a boogie man statement. Maybe the people on the forum don't necessarily mean in that way but socialism in it's purest form is not a doable form of government for the US. I believe democratic socialism isn't all that bad and I'm not some freeloader, non tax payer, hippy boy.

Honestly, I see no problem / issues with kids living with there parents after there first professional job. To be frank, it is the financially savy thing to do. I also think having to create something from scratch, builds character and defines you and ensures you appreciate things, but there is a fine line between that and the vast majority starting out in massive debt.

[Jenksismyhero]

Honestly, I see no problem / issues with kids living with there parents after there first professional job. To be frank, it is the financially savy thing to do. I also think having to create something from scratch, builds character and defines you and ensures you appreciate things, but there is a fine line between that and the vast majority starting out in massive debt.

 

Really it's the Baby Boomer generation that started the trend of leaving home early anyway.

[pettie4sox]

Honestly, I see no problem / issues with kids living with there parents after there first professional job. To be frank, it is the financially savy thing to do. I also think having to create something from scratch, builds character and defines you and ensures you appreciate things, but there is a fine line between that and the vast majority starting out in massive debt.

 

I thought it was smart for them to live at home too. That being said, I didn't have that luxury. The funny thing is, if my student loan payments weren't equivalent to my f***ing rent payments every month, I would have been alright not even working overtime. Back to the original point, and that is I took the money and signed so it's my fault for doing so.

 

The good thing that came out of this is, I am going to make sure, if I have kids, that they are taken care of for school.

 

There is a girl in my program that is almost 100K in school debt for a bloody bachelor's degree. STEM discipline as well.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

I thought it was smart for them to live at home too. That being said, I didn't have that luxury. The funny thing is, if my student loan payments weren't equivalent to my f***ing rent payments every month, I would have been alright not even working overtime. Back to the original point, and that is I took the money and signed so it's my fault for doing so.

 

The good thing that came out of this is, I am going to make sure, if I have kids, that they are taken care of for school.

 

There is a girl in my program that is almost 100K in school debt for a bloody bachelor's degree. STEM discipline as well.

 

Isn't that kind of her fault though? I'm not going to argue that college costs are out of control, because they are. But I personally graduated with about $20K in loans, and I needed 5 years. I spent 2 years at a community college which allowed me to live at home and work 20-30 hours a week. I then transferred to a state school (in NY, which is not a cheap state) for 3 years and worked about 10-15 hours per week, so not a ton. I wanted to go to UConn. I got in. They were my dream school. They had my degree that I wanted (actuarial science) and were only a couple hours from home. For an out of state resident it would have been between 20-25K per year. I chose not go 100K in debt. Again, I'm not defending the ridiculous prices and fees that universities have, but there are ways to mitigate the costs associated with your education and future debt.

Edited February 16, 2016 by ChiSox_Sonix