greg775 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 12:32 AM) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix...ling-the-truth/ Please pass this onto the RNC. They should just make one ad with this video sequence and play it over for the general election in every state one million times. I'm speechless. I'm cautious about Trump ever since reading that opinion piece on him by Leonard Pitts, but I cannot for the life of me see how anybody could ever justify voting for Hillary Clinton, especially after reading that. At this point, I'd take Bernie or Kasich and get 'em good Veep candidates and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I really don't get why that is so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Donald Trump projected with a strong win in the South Carolina primary, currently taking a 35% share of the tallied votes - similar to his NH total and lead. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio currently are in a tight contest for 2nd and 3rd place, both around 20%. Nevada follows on Tuesday prior to 13 states on March 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) Donald Trump projected with a strong win in the South Carolina primary, currently taking a 35% share of the tallied votes - similar to his NH total and lead. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio currently are in a tight contest for 2nd and 3rd place, both around 20%. Nevada follows on Tuesday prior to 13 states on March 1. Trump is believed to have a huge lead in Nevada, as well. Edited February 21, 2016 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 06:51 PM) Donald Trump projected with a strong win in the South Carolina primary, currently taking a 35% share of the tallied votes - similar to his NH total and lead. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio currently are in a tight contest for 2nd and 3rd place, both around 20%. Nevada follows on Tuesday prior to 13 states on March 1. I think Bush drops out after this, and his votes will almost all go to Rubio. Carson just keeps limping along, and there's no telling what he'll do - unpredictable as his campaign has been. Kasich already all but said he's giving up SC to hit Super Tuesday, but I don't think he'll do much there. I think Super Tuesday ends up being a giant 3-way mess at the top with no clear stand-out. Just my guess. Then Kasich drops out, he's another almost-all-to-Rubio guy. Carson is more Cruz-aligned. Again, sets up a 3-way mess the whole way. I think there is a decent chance they go to convention with no one holding a majority of delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) I think Bush drops out after this, and his votes will almost all go to Rubio. Carson just keeps limping along, and there's no telling what he'll do - unpredictable as his campaign has been. Kasich already all but said he's giving up SC to hit Super Tuesday, but I don't think he'll do much there. I think Super Tuesday ends up being a giant 3-way mess at the top with no clear stand-out. Just my guess. Then Kasich drops out, he's another almost-all-to-Rubio guy. Carson is more Cruz-aligned. Again, sets up a 3-way mess the whole way. I think there is a decent chance they go to convention with no one holding a majority of delegates. LOL, literally about 10 minutes after I posted this I saw that Bush is dropping out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) I think Bush drops out after this, and his votes will almost all go to Rubio. Carson just keeps limping along, and there's no telling what he'll do - unpredictable as his campaign has been. Kasich already all but said he's giving up SC to hit Super Tuesday, but I don't think he'll do much there. I think Super Tuesday ends up being a giant 3-way mess at the top with no clear stand-out. Just my guess. Then Kasich drops out, he's another almost-all-to-Rubio guy. Carson is more Cruz-aligned. Again, sets up a 3-way mess the whole way. I think there is a decent chance they go to convention with no one holding a majority of delegates. If Kasich drops out, do you think he'd have any part in being a VP for any candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 If Kasich drops out, do you think he'd have any part in being a VP for any candidate? Rubio? Yes. Trump or Cruz? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Kasich is the governor of Ohio, so he'll definitely be a huge target for that role, strategically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Now the Republicans have to get Kasich to drop out (with the possibility of the VP spot dangled for being a good soldier) and try to push the GOP establishment money and macine 100% behind Rubio. Carson's votes will (eventually) mostly go to Cruz and Trump...but he'll stay in at least through Super Tuesday in all likelihood. Finally, just keep arguing Cruz is another Santorum/Huckabee, doesn't have anyone of significance who wants to endorse or work with him and that he's too divisive because of his religious fundamentalism to win a national election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Newbee here, how many delegates does the republican need to secure the win and how many do each have now as well as how many each upcoming state has? Is there any site with that info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 07:48 AM) Now the Republicans have to get Kasich to drop out (with the possibility of the VP spot dangled for being a good soldier) and try to push the GOP establishment money and macine 100% behind Rubio. Carson's votes will (eventually) mostly go to Cruz and Trump...but he'll stay in at least through Super Tuesday in all likelihood. Finally, just keep arguing Cruz is another Santorum/Huckabee, doesn't have anyone of significance who wants to endorse or work with him and that he's too divisive because of his religious fundamentalism to win a national election. Rubio is pretty religious himself. Admittedly I haven't watched much of him but I watched his speech tonight in which he was as happy as if he placed first. And he mentioned God A LOT. I'd say several specific references including leaving the nomination in God's hands. I think it's Trump's time as they say, and with so many months before the election and him sure to anger everybody before it's over, I'd say Hillary's path to the White House is pretty easy. The Republicans need to develop a serious candidate to try to knock her out after four years cause IMO those four years are going to be very very grim. As far as the present, there's no way in hell Trump mania is going to last through Election Day. Sure he'll get the nomination, but he's going to implode, likely during his 1-1 debates with Hillary. His attacks on Hillary are going to seem excessively rude IMO. Edited February 21, 2016 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Rumor Trump is going to select that sheriff from AZ as his VP if he gets the nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 05:44 AM) Rumor Trump is going to select that sheriff from AZ as his VP if he gets the nomination. That's political suicide. It would be like the Stockdale choice for Perot. He would be age 84 on election day. Every Democrat and independent in the country would be scared to death of him being a heartbeat from the presidency and nuclear codes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio He would also be hammered over the head with paragraph 2. Edited February 21, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 05:53 AM) That's political suicide. It would be like the Stockdale choice for Perot. He would be age 84 on election day. Every Democrat and independent in the country would be scared to death of him being a heartbeat from the presidency and nuclear codes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio He would also be hammered over the head with paragraph 2. I've only seen ABC reporting it so who knows if it is true. And I agree with you. http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-announc...vice-president/ Edited February 21, 2016 by Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 01:58 AM) Newbee here, how many delegates does the republican need to secure the win and how many do each have now as well as how many each upcoming state has? Is there any site with that info? Here is "how many each state has and how they're allocated" and Wikipedia has a quick easy count of allocated delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Here is "how many each state has and how they're allocated" and Wikipedia has a quick easy count of allocated delegates. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 01:14 AM) I'm speechless. I'm cautious about Trump ever since reading that opinion piece on him by Leonard Pitts, but I cannot for the life of me see how anybody could ever justify voting for Hillary Clinton, especially after reading that. At this point, I'd take Bernie or Kasich and get 'em good Veep candidates and call it a day. Christ, how mant times do we have to read your anti-Hillary posts. WE GET IT, YOU HATE HER! I'm no fan of hers either but you are annoying me to the point of wanting to vote for her and hope she wins just to shut you up FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'm putting this in the Republican thread, but the question really applies to both parties: What is stopping either of them from rigging their primaries so that the General Election swing states produce the most convention delegates? It seems to me if I'm trying to pick a candidate who has the best chance of winning a general election, I'm weighing Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado and Pennsylvania far higher than Utah, Wyoming, Oklahoma, New York, Maryland or Massachusetts. Those are the people whose votes are going to matter more in November, so why not make their votes matter more in February-May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Nothing but popular resistance. The parties don't have to hold any primaries at all if they don't want to. The current nomination process is a fairly modern invention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Political tradition...although Nevada being added earlier in the schedule was a result of that, at least from the Democratic side, where they wanted a more "inclusive" state with an array of ethnic/minority (Hispanic as well instead of primarily African-American/white) groups that was more comparable with some of those more diverse swing states. And yes, you could make a legitimate argument that the primary season in 2008 stretching out for so long gave the Obama group a huge head start as they contested primaries in many of those later swing states in March/April against Clinton and already had their ground game well organized for the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 09:24 PM) Christ, how mant times do we have to read your anti-Hillary posts. WE GET IT, YOU HATE HER! I'm no fan of hers either but you are annoying me to the point of wanting to vote for her and hope she wins just to shut you up FFS. I'm trying to spark discussion, giving the pro Hillary types chances to tell me why she's not evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) I'm trying to spark discussion, giving the pro Hillary types chances to tell me why she's not evil. Well gregg, bmags gave an explanation a few pages back in this thread if I recall. Next, it seems a lot of people on this forum are not as pro-Hillary as you think they are. Relax man, take a shot of tequila, and enjoy the political ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 We can complain about or support Hillary as much as we want, but given even money odds would anybody bet the field over Hillary right now? What if the field got 2-1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) As a Democrat, the feeling must be something similar to Republican sentiment regarding the candidacies of Romney, McCain and Dole. Clinton's a very flawed candidate, and it's very hard to get excited about her potential presidency, but she is the very clear favorite right now. https://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/quotes/Pres16_quotes.html 65% to 34% odds, "winner take all" at the moment. Edited February 23, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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