StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) Did the media applaud the R's then? Did you think it was a good thing that the minority party did whatever they could, or did you make snide comments about how childish they looked? Goes both ways. It was still childish and Mr. Lewis looked like he would rather be anywhere else than sitting on the floor, and the fact that he as one of the participants doesn't make it any less childish. Seems like it was largely just ignored here. Going back to the old dem and rep threads, everyone was focused on the Presidential campaign. There were a handful posts in the rep thread starting at the bottom of the linked page, but nothing really negative. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...6038&st=435 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...6039&st=315 Notably absent are any posts condemning it as "childish." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) Seems like it was largely just ignored here. Going back to the old dem and rep threads, everyone was focused on the Presidential campaign. There were a handful posts in the rep thread starting at the bottom of the linked page, but nothing really negative. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...6038&st=435 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...6039&st=315 Notably absent are any posts condemning it as "childish." Democratic aides were furious at the GOP stunt, and reporters were kicked out of the Speaker's Lobby, the space next to the House floor where they normally interview lawmakers. "You're not covering this, are you?" complaining one senior Democratic aide. Another called the Republicans "morons" for staying on the floor. The Capitol Police are now trying to kick reporters out of the press gallery above the floor, meaning we can't watch the Republicans anymore. But Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) is now in the gallery talking to reporters, so the cops have held off for a minute. Clearly, Democrats don't want Republicans getting any press for this episode. GOP leaders are trying to find other Republicans to rotate in for Blunt so reporters aren't kicked out. Democrats faced a choice here - should they leave the cameras on and let Republicans rip Pelosi & Co. on C-Span, or should they leave the cameras off and let the Republicans have their "tantrum," as one Democratic aide characterized it, with the cameras off They do it so they can go make videos for their campaign and they can go "hey, look what I'm doing over here in Washington for our district!" So in just one post there were morons and tantrums. If you want to play the semantics game, nobody said 'childish'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) Democratic aides were furious at the GOP stunt, and reporters were kicked out of the Speaker's Lobby, the space next to the House floor where they normally interview lawmakers. "You're not covering this, are you?" complaining one senior Democratic aide. Another called the Republicans "morons" for staying on the floor. The Capitol Police are now trying to kick reporters out of the press gallery above the floor, meaning we can't watch the Republicans anymore. But Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) is now in the gallery talking to reporters, so the cops have held off for a minute. Clearly, Democrats don't want Republicans getting any press for this episode. GOP leaders are trying to find other Republicans to rotate in for Blunt so reporters aren't kicked out. Democrats faced a choice here - should they leave the cameras on and let Republicans rip Pelosi & Co. on C-Span, or should they leave the cameras off and let the Republicans have their "tantrum," as one Democratic aide characterized it, with the cameras off They do it so they can go make videos for their campaign and they can go "hey, look what I'm doing over here in Washington for our district!" So in just one post there were morons and tantrums. If you want to play the semantics game, nobody said 'childish'. That's an article you're quoting, not a SoxTalk poster. Was it childish when Republicans did it? Did you get very upset that they BROKE THE RULES then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) That's an article you're quoting, not a SoxTalk poster. Was it childish when Republicans did it? Did you get very upset that they BROKE THE RULES then? I was actually arguing with Tex over school funding in that thread ( I reread about 10 pages there) and TBH didn't even notice it then, or I am sure I would have commented in some form or fashion. I can't tell you now what i would or would not have said then. Oh, and just an FYI, at least one of those lines there was from an actual poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Calling the sit-in childish is just missing the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 03:51 PM) I was actually arguing with Tex over school funding in that thread ( I reread about 10 pages there) and TBH didn't even notice it then, or I am sure I would have commented in some form or fashion. I can't tell you now what i would or would not have said then. You tried calling me out by name for saying things I never said that were pretty easy to check. You're also not answering the question: do you think the Republicans were "childish" in 2008? Is every instance of BREAKING THE RULES! childish? Oh, and just an FYI, at least one of those lines there was from an actual poster. Yeah, the one that correctly noted that it was a publicity stunt to get some attention for their policy goals, the same as this latest round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) That's an article you're quoting, not a SoxTalk poster. Was it childish when Republicans did it? Did you get very upset that they BROKE THE RULES then? /both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) /both sides Yeah, for once actually a legit case of both sides actually doing essentially the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It's absolutely childish to sit on the floor and pout when you don't get what you want. When my 4 year old does that in a store, he gets punished. I don't commend him for taking a stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) It's absolutely childish to sit on the floor and pout when you don't get what you want. When my 4 year old does that in a store, he gets punished. I don't commend him for taking a stand. Were labor and civil rights activists acting childish when they conducted sit-ins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 05:17 PM) It's absolutely childish to sit on the floor and pout when you don't get what you want. When my 4 year old does that in a store, he gets punished. I don't commend him for taking a stand. While I agree this is a dumb tactic for either party to use, slight difference between this and your four year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 04:35 PM) Were labor and civil rights activists acting childish when they conducted sit-ins? Apples to oranges. Civil right protests vs the majority party refusing to vote on a bill they have no obligation to vote on. Individuals v. Lawmakers. The comparison fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) You tried calling me out by name for saying things I never said that were pretty easy to check. You're also not answering the question: do you think the Republicans were "childish" in 2008? Is every instance of BREAKING THE RULES! childish? Yeah, the one that correctly noted that it was a publicity stunt to get some attention for their policy goals, the same as this latest round. yes, they were probably childish. Back then I was more in the 'take the high ground' mode. i would have probably not said anything so as to avoid having to try and defend it. Now, with the increasingly combative nature of liberals, I don't care. Play by the same rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) Apples to oranges. Civil right protests vs the majority party refusing to vote on a bill they have no obligation to vote on. Individuals v. Lawmakers. The comparison fails. The tactic is the same, and that's what's been called childish. It was also groups of people working together deliberately, not individuals. Was it childish when Republicans pulled a similar stunt in 2008? Where was the indignation back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution in 1994....what happened to all those agreements they made, like Term Limits? Thought so. The ultimate in childishness, and it had completely backfired on him by 1996. Helped to ruin his political career, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) The tactic is the same, and that's what's been called childish. It was also groups of people working together deliberately, not individuals. Was it childish when Republicans pulled a similar stunt in 2008? Where was the indignation back then? No you're ignoring the people doing it. Congressman. It's f***ing embarassing. Its beneath you to equate professional politicians performing a sit in on the floor of Congress over the fact that Republicans wouldn't hold a vote with blacks having sit ins at places they weren't welcome or where it was illegal for them to be because of some terrible racial beliefs. And yes it was childish in 2008. I didn't feel the need to point that out then 1) because I'm not sure I knew about it and 2) people weren't supporting them as if what they were doing was honorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 How easily y'all focus on adults sitting and move on from the actual political issues at hand, it's embarrassing how people squabble at times. With how some of you act on here I'm not surprised at all that politicians resort to sit ins to make points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 GREG!!!!! This post is for you, since i recall on at least ore than one occasion you (and me as well) have complained about our youth of today. I actually laughed after reading this. Welcome to the real world, Class of 2017! http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-was-f...dress-code.html I really love this line from her letter" We were shocked. The proposal was written professionally like examples I have learned about in school, and our arguments were thought out and well-reasoned. We weren’t even given a chance to discuss it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) GREG!!!!! This post is for you, since i recall on at least ore than one occasion you (and me as well) have complained about our youth of today. I actually laughed after reading this. Welcome to the real world, Class of 2017! http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-was-f...dress-code.html I really love this line from her letter" We were shocked. The proposal was written professionally like examples I have learned about in school, and our arguments were thought out and well-reasoned. We weren’t even given a chance to discuss it Meanwhile I'm wearing a shirt that says "Get חַי" (Chai, pronounced "high" is Hebrew for "life") at work and we all saw a short comedy clip of two coworkers pretending to have sex in a skit. What a time to be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) GREG!!!!! This post is for you, since i recall on at least ore than one occasion you (and me as well) have complained about our youth of today. I actually laughed after reading this. Welcome to the real world, Class of 2017! http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-was-f...dress-code.html I really love this line from her letter" We were shocked. The proposal was written professionally like examples I have learned about in school, and our arguments were thought out and well-reasoned. We weren’t even given a chance to discuss it I'm glad I don't work for a bunch of uptight assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I'm sure that some companies can still succeed with a suit mandate, but man not many millenials will be attracted to them. While I don't agree with much of the interns' approach, such as saying "well he got to wear gym shoes so why can't I?", I think the company went WAY to far by firing all of them. They just burned a lot of bridges, but my guess is if they are still mandating suits then they believe in an elitist culture and don't care about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Maybe they were all let go because they were focusing on what they could/could not wear to work and not on the actual work itself? If you're truly there to gain experience, why are you spending ANY energy complaining about the dress code, going so far as to draft a petition and get it signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Oh, also, obligatory stereotyping that all millennials are spoiled entitled brats and employer/employee relations are now back to where it was 25 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) I'm glad I don't work for a bunch of uptight assholes. And they are glad that you aren't there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) Maybe they were all let go because they were focusing on what they could/could not wear to work and not on the actual work itself? If you're truly there to gain experience, why are you spending ANY energy complaining about the dress code, going so far as to draft a petition and get it signed? Why would a company fire interns instead of coaching them? Didn't this company go into an intern program realizing that they would need to provide coaching to college students in most likely their first corporate job instead of firing them when they did something they didn't like? If interns weren't getting their work done, or we're focusing on the wrong work, shouldn't management be providing that feedback? Shouldn't they have been course corrected before being fired? Or do we just expect 20 year olds to be absolutely perfect corporate employees the moment they step out of the classroom and into some random office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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