2016 Republican Thread

[greg775]

GREG!!!!! This post is for you, since i recall on at least ore than one occasion you (and me as well) have complained about our youth of today. I actually laughed after reading this. Welcome to the real world, Class of 2017!

 

http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-was-f...dress-code.html

 

I really love this line from her letter" We were shocked. The proposal was written professionally like examples I have learned about in school, and our arguments were thought out and well-reasoned. We weren’t even given a chance to discuss it

Thanks. It's almost like they thought they were at a college where they could issue a protest. Kind of a stupid story but I agree with you that it's funny. Never a good idea to write out a protest and sign it. That stuff doesn't work well in the workplace.

[pettie4sox]

The petition was most certainly the wrong call. They obviously made a mistake but I definitely think the company probably should have explained to them why it was inappropriate rather than firing them.

 

They are f***ing kids FFS.

[Jenksismyhero]

Why would a company fire interns instead of coaching them? Didn't this company go into an intern program realizing that they would need to provide coaching to college students in most likely their first corporate job instead of firing them when they did something they didn't like?

 

If interns weren't getting their work done, or we're focusing on the wrong work, shouldn't management be providing that feedback? Shouldn't they have been course corrected before being fired?

 

Or do we just expect 20 year olds to be absolutely perfect corporate employees the moment they step out of the classroom and into some random office?

 

What 20-22 year old moron doesn't know that you don't go complaining to your boss about basic rules spelled out in an employee handbook (answer: an entitled one!)? How is it any different from complaining about the hours (Sally comes in at 8:30 instead of 8:00, why can't I do that?) or the pay or vacation time or whatever?

 

It's an internship. You don't get a say in how the employer runs the business. It's one thing to complain about working conditions. It's quite another to complain about the dress code.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

The petition was most certainly the wrong call. They obviously made a mistake but I definitely think the company probably should have explained to them why it was inappropriate rather than firing them.

 

They are f***ing kids FFS.

 

They're 20-22. They're not kids.

[bigruss]

What 20-22 year old moron doesn't know that you don't go complaining to your boss about basic rules spelled out in an employee handbook (answer: an entitled one!)? How is it any different from complaining about the hours (Sally comes in at 8:30 instead of 8:00, why can't I do that?) or the pay or vacation time or whatever?

 

It's an internship. You don't get a say in how the employer runs the business. It's one thing to complain about working conditions. It's quite another to complain about the dress code.

What company brings on interns without expecting to have to manage them and make sure they are focused on the right work and expect them to understand corporate culture immediately?

 

The kid's were dumb for how they went about this (already stated), but the company acted completely irrationally. If I was an exec there, I'd fire the group of managers in charge of the interns/program director who let them go. Because what it really meant was that the company didn't listen or care to provide feedback to a group of individuals most likely hired to bring in fresh new ideas. And not only that, but when this group came up with new ideas they were fired. What the f*** culture is that?

[pettie4sox]

They're 20-22. They're not kids.

 

That's subjective unless you're referring to the literal definition of kids.

[greg775]

The petition was most certainly the wrong call. They obviously made a mistake but I definitely think the company probably should have explained to them why it was inappropriate rather than firing them.

 

They are f***ing kids FFS.

Thing is the petition thing is pretty juvenile. Again ... those things never work. Every once in a while somebody thinks it's a good idea to pass around a protest and have everybody sign it, then you deliver it to management and wait for the bombs to fall. It's like "you had time to organize this protest when you could have been working?" Etc. This did scream entitlement though, the workers comparing one person's footwear to another. All in all probably a good idea to get rid of them all.

[pettie4sox]

Thing is the petition thing is pretty juvenile. Again ... those things never work. Every once in a while somebody thinks it's a good idea to pass around a protest and have everybody sign it, then you deliver it to management and wait for the bombs to fall. It's like "you had time to organize this protest when you could have been working?" Etc. This did scream entitlement though, the workers comparing one person's footwear to another. All in all probably a good idea to get rid of them all.

 

And you're paying their unemployment as a result of the hard line you took with them because they will probably never learn.

[bigruss]

Thing is the petition thing is pretty juvenile. Again ... those things never work. Every once in a while somebody thinks it's a good idea to pass around a protest and have everybody sign it, then you deliver it to management and wait for the bombs to fall. It's like "you had time to organize this protest when you could have been working?" Etc. This did scream entitlement though, the workers comparing one person's footwear to another. All in all probably a good idea to get rid of them all.

They are interns man, how did a manager not say to them once "hey you know what, I hear what you are saying but we have our dress code because we are client facing and feel it's important to always be business professional [or whatever reason]. For the rest of the summer I want you to focus on x, y, and z. If you really feel passionate about this, come up with a 5 minute presentation on why we should change and be ready to present in front of me and a few colleagues, if we deem it good enough we may move it up the corporate ladder. But this work should be done only after x, y and z are completed or unaffected."

 

Sounds like a terrible company from top to bottom, elitist, entitled managers who agreed to take on interns but didnt put in the effort to help lead them to success and decided to take the lazy way out by just firing them, hurting their company image for future interns.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

What company brings on interns without expecting to have to manage them and make sure they are focused on the right work and expect them to understand corporate culture immediately?

 

I didn't realize appropriate dress in an office was such a difficult concept. That's some basic common sense stuff there.

 

The kid's were dumb for how they went about this (already stated), but the company acted completely irrationally. If I was an exec there, I'd fire the group of managers in charge of the interns/program director who let them go. Because what it really meant was that the company didn't listen or care to provide feedback to a group of individuals most likely hired to bring in fresh new ideas. And not only that, but when this group came up with new ideas they were fired. What the f*** culture is that?

 

If they're focusing on the unfairness of the dress code, I doubt they're really coming up with fresh ideas to make the company better.

 

 

[EvilMonkey]

The story is also only her side of it. No mention if they had issues prior. And as for unemployment, they were interns, and if paid, probably not on long enough to warrant unemployment.

[Jenksismyhero]

They are interns man, how did a manager not say to them once "hey you know what, I hear what you are saying but we have our dress code because we are client facing and feel it's important to always be business professional [or whatever reason]. For the rest of the summer I want you to focus on x, y, and z. If you really feel passionate about this, come up with a 5 minute presentation on why we should change and be ready to present in front of me and a few colleagues, if we deem it good enough we may move it up the corporate ladder. But this work should be done only after x, y and z are completed or unaffected."

 

Sounds like a terrible company from top to bottom, elitist, entitled managers who agreed to take on interns but didnt put in the effort to help lead them to success and decided to take the lazy way out by just firing them, hurting their company image for future interns.

 

Why does the employer need to waste time/energy/money explaining something so basic? It's a place of work, not a dorm room.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

Why does the employer need to waste time/energy/money explaining something so basic? It's a place of work, not a dorm room.

Perhaps this work place is not really interested in having interns if they don't want to deal with people with zero professional workplace experience?

 

edit: at my internship, I was lightly poked fun at for wearing a suit to my interview. Summer dress code there allowed shorts to front office workers. This was nationally known automotive engineering/manufacturing company.

Edited June 29, 2016 by StrangeSox

[Jenksismyhero]

Perhaps this work place is not really interested in having interns if they don't want to deal with people with zero professional workplace experience?

 

Or maybe they are interested in having interns that are more focused on the company/work and not on the fairness of not being able to wear tennis shoes over dress shoes? Maybe the managers immediately knew these interns were worthless and not there for the right reasons?

 

I'm not sure why these people need to be treated with puppy gloves.

[bigruss]

Why does the employer need to waste time/energy/money explaining something so basic? It's a place of work, not a dorm room.

Apparently they do need to explain it as employees were breaking the rules. Now I'm not saying that is an excuse for someone else to feel that they can do the same but it sounds like the company should fire more employees then instead of reviewing something as "basic" as dress code rules.

[bigruss]

Or maybe they are interested in having interns that are more focused on the company/work and not on the fairness of not being able to wear tennis shoes over dress shoes? Maybe the managers immediately knew these interns were worthless and not there for the right reasons?

 

I'm not sure why these people need to be treated with puppy gloves.

Then if I was an exec I'd again have a talk with the intern director/intern managers, are you really saying a large group of interns were so easily identifiable as bad employees? Why did we hire them? Why did we waste time and effort in even bringing them in? How do we expect this to reflect on future intern hiring?

[pettie4sox]

The story is also only her side of it. No mention if they had issues prior. And as for unemployment, they were interns, and if paid, probably not on long enough to warrant unemployment.

 

I misstated. I use unemployment as a universal term for government tit. I am just trying to say that if people don't step up and educate our workforce then we'll all be paying for that mistake.

[farmteam]

Or maybe they are interested in having interns that are more focused on the company/work and not on the fairness of not being able to wear tennis shoes over dress shoes? Maybe the managers immediately knew these interns were worthless and not there for the right reasons?

 

I'm not sure why these people need to be treated with puppy gloves.

Treating them like adults wouldn't involve firing them, either.

 

Everyone agrees that submitting a petition to amend the dress code was stupid for many reasons. The disagreement is with the punishment. Does firing the interns honestly seem like the best option to you?

 

This is assuming a vacuum, btw. If it was the proverbial straw I could see it. I have a hard time believing that it could be the last straw for each of one them, though.

[greg775]

They are interns man, how did a manager not say to them once "hey you know what, I hear what you are saying but we have our dress code because we are client facing and feel it's important to always be business professional [or whatever reason]. For the rest of the summer I want you to focus on x, y, and z. If you really feel passionate about this, come up with a 5 minute presentation on why we should change and be ready to present in front of me and a few colleagues, if we deem it good enough we may move it up the corporate ladder. But this work should be done only after x, y and z are completed or unaffected."

 

Sounds like a terrible company from top to bottom, elitist, entitled managers who agreed to take on interns but didnt put in the effort to help lead them to success and decided to take the lazy way out by just firing them, hurting their company image for future interns.

I normally would cut the interns some slack, but again, I do not like the petition and the signing of it by people. This is pretty strong insubordination. They didn't even ask around enough to know the person with the flats had no fricking leg. I remember once some busybody worker tried to get a petition going and I not only did not sign it I warned people I liked at the company to NOT go there. Signing these petitions doesn't work cause eventually the petition which is easy to write up and pass around turns into a MEETING with real people and real voices not a piece of paper. No boss is gonna grab the petition and go, "Great idea! Pepole we will implement your suggestions now." No ... they wanna talk to the ringleaders of the petition! I just think these interns deserved the boot. Now had they gone person to person to a manager to discuss a "concern" or a "policy" I'd have more respect for the Millenial.

[caulfield12]

Where is Greg to assume now that Hillary's going down with the AG officially stepping out of the way...?

Edited July 1, 2016 by caulfield12

[greg775]

Where is Greg to assume now that Hillary's going down with the AG officially stepping out of the way...?

I'm so fed up with politics and the corruption. So the AG meets with Bill Clinton on the tarmac? "Wink wink she's not going to be indicted is she, AG?" It's all so crooked and there are no options for an upstanding individual being President this time with Hillary and Trump the candidates. Wheelin and dealin. My ultimate goal would be to indict Hillary and get her out of the way; promote Bernie to candidate; have Trump get passed by at the convention by Kasisch, McCain or somebody and have Bernie or McCain win. We can deal with Bernie's socialist side later. He seems the one candidate who is not a crook.

[greg775]

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

From the unbiased attorney general case ...

 

"What on earth were you thinking?” Capehart asked Lynch of her meeting with the former president.

Lynch said the meeting at the Phoenix airport was primarily social and that the email inquiry was not discussed. She said they talked about Clinton’s grandchildren. “I certainly wouldn’t do it again, because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not touch,” Lynch said, adding that the questions over the Justice Department’s integrity have been “painful.”

 

Great: "I wouldn't do it again" then why the hell did you do it in the first place?? We all know why. Cause politics is all about deals and being corrupt as hell. Say what you want about baseball: They pretty much cleaned up the steroid thing when almost all players were using. Can politics ever become clean?? I'm not betting on it with Hillary being given an unobstructed path to the White House for eight fricking years.

[Quin]

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

From the unbiased attorney general case ...

 

"What on earth were you thinking?” Capehart asked Lynch of her meeting with the former president.

Lynch said the meeting at the Phoenix airport was primarily social and that the email inquiry was not discussed. She said they talked about Clinton’s grandchildren. “I certainly wouldn’t do it again, because I think it has cast a shadow over what it should not, over what it will not touch,” Lynch said, adding that the questions over the Justice Department’s integrity have been “painful.”

 

Great: "I wouldn't do it again" then why the hell did you do it in the first place?? We all know why. Cause politics is all about deals and being corrupt as hell. Say what you want about baseball: They pretty much cleaned up the steroid thing when almost all players were using. Can politics ever become clean?? I'm not betting on it with Hillary being given an unobstructed path to the White House for eight fricking years.

 

You seem to forget that the President is elected to a four year term.

[greg775]

You seem to forget that the President is elected to a four year term.

Obviously I'm assuming the Democratic candidate's second term is assured. The map of Democratic and Republican states won't ever fluctuate much and an incumbent like Hillary is assured both terms.

Edited July 2, 2016 by greg775

[ron883]

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