southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 10:44 PM) This is a pretty weak flail Of course that is how you see it. Dems always fall in line. This is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) Of course that is how you see it. Dems always fall in line. This is no different. Glad to see you going back to the well of that same terrible argument you tried making just last week so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 01:29 AM) The ones where you justified everything that was said and done? Yeah, mostly I rolled my eyes at your making excuses for the DNC and moved on. No, the ones where I pointed out how you kept changing your argument from one nonsensical thing to another. It's racist! There's no element of race involved. It's anti-semetic! The email portrayed Judaism as a positive thing to voters. It's stereotyping! No one is being stereotyped. I criticized the email, and you've magically spun that into support simply because I reject your absurd claims that you refuse to even attempt to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) Of course that is how you see it. Dems always fall in line. This is no different. Your post not only evaded all the actual issues of the discussion, you lied about my position on it to insult me. That's a flail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) No, the ones where I pointed out how you kept changing your argument from one nonsensical thing to another. It's racist! There's no element of race involved. It's anti-semetic! The email portrayed Judaism as a positive thing to voters. It's stereotyping! No one is being stereotyped. I criticized the email, and you've magically spun that into support simply because I reject your absurd claims that you refuse to even attempt to support. And there you go. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) Your post not only evaded all the actual issues of the discussion, you lied about my position on it to insult me. That's a flail. It hit the actual issues. It ignored the changes attempted in an effort to sell this as being nothing because the Dems did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) And there you go. Thank you. Are any of those things incorrect? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) It hit the actual issues. It ignored the changes attempted in an effort to sell this as being nothing because the Dems did it. No, it didn't hit any of the arguments I was making which were that the email wasn't racist, anti-Semitic, or stereotyping. This is like someone getting slapped and you call it a rape. I point out that it's not rape and you then say it's a murder. I point out that it's not murder and then you say it's torture. I point out that it's not torture and you tell me that I support the slap. What? And now you're telling me that *I* was attempting changes? What? You're so anti-D that you've lost touch with reality. Edited July 25, 2016 by CrimsonWeltall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 11:40 PM) Had an interesting conversation with cousin in Dallas today. Says the most logical way to get Mexico to help pay for the border wall would be to tax the remittances through Western Union, Pay Pal, Xoom back to their home country at 25-33%. This would push some illegal immigrants back to Mexico and/or open up more job opportunities for American unemployed workers....creating an eventual higher salary for American workers over time because of lower demand from illegal immigrants for those jobs. Just want to point out how impractical that is, the wide implications of it, and the dubious economics of that suddenly "rising" American wages. Best way to raise wages is not to decrease population. Cleveland's wages should be crazy high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) No, it didn't hit any of the arguments I was making which were that the email wasn't racist, anti-Semitic, or stereotyping. This is like someone getting slapped and you call it a rape. I point out that it's not rape and you then say it's a murder. I point out that it's not murder and then you say it's torture. I point out that it's not torture and you tell me that I support the slap. What? And now you're telling me that *I* was attempting changes? What? You're so anti-D that you've lost touch with reality. I think the issue is that that everyone here is so pro-Dem, that no matter what, you have to buy the party line and spout it off to protect the candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) I think the issue is that that everyone here is so pro-Dem, that no matter what, you have to buy the party line and spout it off to protect the candidate. The fact that you couldn't support your position(s) shows that the bias on this issue was on your end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) I think the issue is that that everyone here is so pro-Dem, that no matter what, you have to buy the party line and spout it off to protect the candidate. Come on now. That's partisan politics at its best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:27 AM) Come on now. That's partisan politics at its best! Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) The fact that you couldn't support your position(s) shows that the bias on this issue was on your end. Actually the fact that it wasn't the position you attacked, but undermined the wording instead of what was actually done that shows the bias. The actions weren't the problem, it was me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 04:29 PM) Actually the fact that it wasn't the position you attacked, but undermined the wording instead of what was actually done that shows the bias. The actions weren't the problem, it was me. I attacked your ever-changing position that the email was racist, anti-Semitic, or stereotyping...because it wasn't. That's not undermining wording; it's striking to the core of the argument. You were dishonestly attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill in order to push #BothSides, for purely partisan reasons. At no point has anyone denied an anti-Bernie bias within the emails, or that they considered taking advantage of anti-atheist bias amongst Southern Baptists. Edited July 25, 2016 by CrimsonWeltall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) I attacked your ever-changing position that the email was racist, anti-Semitic, or stereotyping...because it wasn't. That's not undermining wording; it's striking to the core of the argument. You were dishonestly attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill in order to push #BothSides, for purely partisan reasons. At no point has anyone denied an anti-Bernie bias within the emails, or that they considered taking advantage of anti-atheist bias amongst Southern Baptists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 That's not racism or stereotyping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) image We're talking about the "Is Bernie an atheist? That wouldn't play well with Baptists" email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 That was called the Taco Bowl Engagement (Not racist?) and the bullet points about hispanics certainly seem to be stereotyping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's all good, you are the problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) I attacked your ever-changing position that the email was racist, anti-Semitic, or stereotyping...because it wasn't. That's not undermining wording; it's striking to the core of the argument. You were dishonestly attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill in order to push #BothSides, for purely partisan reasons. At no point has anyone denied an anti-Bernie bias within the emails, or that they considered taking advantage of anti-atheist bias amongst Southern Baptists. Which is exactly why you are defending this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) Which is exactly why you are defending this crap. You mean the thing I called "scummy"? I'm seriously starting to believe you're not even reading my posts. Being ACCURATE about something isn't the same as supporting it. Again, you're calling a slap a murder and accusing me of bias when I disagree even though you're objectively wrong and can't support your claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:46 AM) That was called the Taco Bowl Engagement (Not racist?) and the bullet points about hispanics certainly seem to be stereotyping That Email is dated after trumps taco bowl tweet, I'm sure it was making fun of that. His tweet wasn't racist, just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) You mean the thing I called "scummy"? I'm seriously starting to believe you're not even reading my posts. Being ACCURATE about something isn't the same as supporting it. Again, you're calling a slap a murder and accusing me of bias when I disagree even though you're objectively wrong and can't support your claim. Don't worry, ss2k5 never actually responds on the merits when pressed. Always reverts to the exact same play book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The organization will also create a "Clintonville," a mock-up shanty town setup that will take up a full city block. On the last day of the convention, the group is also plans to have a "fart-in" where they are going to feed people beans in an effort to "show the entire world that this process stinks," says Honkala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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