StrangeSox Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I don't think anyone in the dem thread was "complaining" about that, just explaining to greg why Trump dominates the news. I'd definitely agree that Clinton's strategy has been to stand back while he's constantly lighting himself on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Scandals have been building far before the primaries and while I am sure you know that, but it should still be mentioned. Kind of like when Benghzai was at its height Hillary ended up in the hospital. At the same time, the Democrat thread is complaining that it's a media conspiracy she's not being covered as much as Trump. In all likelihood, that's what her team wants. Let's have Trump on TV with topics like racism and nukes while Hillary avoids press conferences like the plague. Totally this. They have to love this. The more the election is about Trump saying stupid stuff, the less that Clinton actually has to be a candidate herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) Yup. Trump's smorgasbord of embarrassment is the only reason Hillary is still leading. Romney would have a decisive lead if he were the nominee. Trump might be the only reason Hillary can play hide and seek as she continually gets exposed as the most corrupt politician of her generation So much so that the left wasted the right wing label on guys like McCain and Romney, that they had to invent a new label because no one cared about the old one anymore... in lieu of anything resembling the sale of their own candidate to the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 8, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) I don't think anyone in the dem thread was "complaining" about that, just explaining to greg why Trump dominates the news. I'd definitely agree that Clinton's strategy has been to stand back while he's constantly lighting himself on fire. It's the only strategy she has. She can speak toward the issues, but they don't resonate. She can speak negatively about Trump, and it hurts her numbers. Her only hope if that Trump "free styles" in his speeches. If not, she's dead on arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) Hell I'd vote for Romney or McCain before Clinton lol Edited September 9, 2016 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 03:13 PM) Hell I'd vote for Romney or McCain before Clinton lol The question is how much damage can Hillary personally do in eight years? My guess is a lot. We're in deep trouble folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 09:13 AM) Hell I'd vote for Romney or McCain before Clinton lol I'd vote for either of those guys over any of the entire 2016 Presidential field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 05:48 PM) I'd vote for either of those guys over any of the entire 2016 Presidential field. I wish McCain would have run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 9, 2016 -> 10:25 PM) I wish McCain would have run. Nah, I rather have Romney. McCain is too old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Hillary pulled a Trump and shot herself in the foot at a pretty inopportune time. Calling millions of Americans baskets of deplorables, saying theyre irredeemable and racist, homophobic, xenophobic etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 11:35 AM) Hillary pulled a Trump and shot herself in the foot at a pretty inopportune time. Calling millions of Americans baskets of deplorables, saying theyre irredeemable and racist, homophobic, xenophobic etc. Saying that to those who cheered on calls that Mexicans are rapists and Muslims are evil and now those people aren't big fans of name calling? That's rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 01:58 PM) Saying that to those who cheered on calls that Mexicans are rapists and Muslims are evil and now those people aren't big fans of name calling? That's rich. She said half of his supporters. To imply that many Americans are irredeemable is a pretty toxic statement from someone running for President. Apparently she agrees because she is already trying to walk it back. No doubt this is gonna hurt her in the polls, she didnt need this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) She said half of his supporters. To imply that many Americans are irredeemable is a pretty toxic statement from someone running for President. Apparently she agrees because she is already trying to walk it back. No doubt this is gonna hurt her in the polls, she didnt need this. She's elitist for sure. I'm shocked people can't figure this out. Her popularity is baffling. She's not out to help anybody not named Hillary, Bill, Chelsea and I'm sorry her son in law's name escapes me and her grandkid's name escapes me. Aside from those five, forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 Remember when the Democrats were against labeling entire groups of people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) Remember when the Democrats were against labeling entire groups of people? Mitt Romney does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 All of a sudden the anti PC crowd is acting all PC. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) All of a sudden the anti PC crowd is acting all PC. LOL I admire the hypocrisy. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 02:14 PM) She said half of his supporters. To imply that many Americans are irredeemable is a pretty toxic statement from someone running for President. Apparently she agrees because she is already trying to walk it back. No doubt this is gonna hurt her in the polls, she didnt need this. It may nor have been politically correct, but look at the poll results for people who support Trump. This is a guy who started off his campaign by calling Mexican immigrants murderers and rapists,and before that he was the leading birther in the country. White nationalism forms a significant core for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 04:04 PM) It may nor have been politically correct, but look at the poll results for people who support Trump. This is a guy who started off his campaign by calling Mexican immigrants murderers and rapists,and before that he was the leading birther in the country. White nationalism forms a significant core for him. The difference is Im not defending the things Trump says because I agree that theyre wrong. Democrats rallying to defend this is so hypocritical its almost surreal. If these candidates want to call each other every name in the book thats one thing but to say 10s of millions of American citizens are deplorable and say theyre irredeemable is actually a new low for this entire election. Hillary's campaign is now no better than Trump's. Before I get anymore "but but but Trump" you need to realize there is an entire thread of people going at Trump for everything from his alleged mob ties to him being a Russian operative and you dont see people in there trying to defend him, so coming in here and trying to discredit any criticism of Hillary is pretty ridiculous. I dont like Trump and I dont like Hillary and I criticize both of them. But what Hillary said was pretty terrible, extremely hypocritical and is likely going to really sting her in the polls and we should be allowed to discuss it without people treating us like were brain dead Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) I don't think anyone is accusing you of supporting Trump, db. You've been pretty clear on that before many times. I don't see anyone attacking you here like that, and I apologize if my post came across like that. And you're probably not wrong about this being a politically damaging thing for her to have said. She's already backed off and apologized likely for that very reason. What I'm saying is that she isn't wrong to say that a sizeable chunk of the support for Trump is for deplorable reasons if not people who are irredeemably deplorable. Watch nyt video of supporters at his rallies, look at the alt right types who support him, look how many of his supporters think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. It feels like some of the reaction to this is that it's worse to call someone racist than it is to actually be racist. Edit I actually hadn't heard the irredeemable part originally, that is worse than the "basket of deplorable" But you're also right that, really, this isn't the thread for that even if those de facto rules have broken down in both threads lately. Edited September 10, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 05:32 PM) I don't think anyone is accusing you of supporting Trump, db. You've been pretty clear on that before many times. I don't see anyone attacking you here like that, and I apologize if my post came across like that. And you're probably not wrong about this being a politically damaging thing for her to have said. She's already backed off and apologized likely for that very reason. What I'm saying is that she isn't wrong to say that a sizeable chunk of the support for Trump is for deplorable reasons if not people who are irredeemably deplorable. Watch nyt video of supporters at his rallies, look at the alt right types who support him, look how many of his supporters think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. It feels like some of the reaction to this is that it's worse to call someone racist than it is to actually be racist. But you're also right that, really, this isn't the thread for that even if those de facto rules have broken down in both threads lately. Fair enough. There are certainly a large portion of his supporters who are pretty s***ty. I dont know why this just really bothered me. As far as I know I dont think Trump has even stooped low enough to criticize Hillary's supporters. The word irredeemable is just such a horrible thing to call people that youre trying to govern. My post probably came off worse than I meant it to. In all honesty I am so enthralled in this election I love discussing it with knowledgeable people, which Soxtalk as a lot of, but it just seems like a lot of people have been posting less because people on both sides (myself obviously included) are quick to jump on others with differing opinions. With how bats*** insane this election is it would be nice if everyone was more comfortable discussing things without fear of backlash. I mean we have 4 of the absolute worst presidential candidates running (5 if you include Evan McMullin lol) and Im hoping as we get closer to the election there is more civil discussion because twitter is making my eyes bleed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Anyone watching The Circus on Showtime? I just found out about it and have binged through most of it. Its like Hard Knocks election edition, its pretty good so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 11, 2016 Author Share Posted September 11, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 04:04 PM) It may nor have been politically correct, but look at the poll results for people who support Trump. This is a guy who started off his campaign by calling Mexican immigrants murderers and rapists,and before that he was the leading birther in the country. White nationalism forms a significant core for him. Racism is OK if it supports my candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Obama had his comment about guns and clinging to religion. Romney had his "WASP code words" 47% comments. In the end, the main thing she was wrong about was irredeemable...you can never say that as a Christoan, let alone political candidate. Deplorable actions....but you can't label a group of 25% of the people deplorable when your husband's trade pacts contributed mightily to that. Of course, those same people would never surrender their low low prices at Wal Mart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) Racism is OK if it supports my candidate. Yep. Because Trump clearly isn't appealing to a white nationalist demographic that is unprecedented in my lifetime. But both side amirite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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