bmags Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 28, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Odds are a more favorable jury as the state court jury would be entirely from rural Harney County whereas the federal court jury was from across the entire state, but you never know. The charges that the state would bring are also a lot more simple and straight-forward than a conspiracy case. But the weapons charge was also cut and dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) f*** this I'm going to recruit some armed colored folks and take over some federal property today... wish me luck Edited October 28, 2016 by pettie4sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 28, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) f*** this I'm going to recruit some armed colored folks and take over some federal property today... wish me luck Group of us geologists are after Crater lake. I think we're all white and a couple of them have beards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 23, 2017 Author Share Posted August 23, 2017 There have been a handful of convictions, but the vast majority of the Bundy group at both Oregon and Bunkerville in 2014 are being acquitted of crimes they were photographed and filmed committing, such as pointing weapons at federal law enforcement. No convictions for 4 men in Bundy standoff case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 23, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) There have been a handful of convictions, but the vast majority of the Bundy group at both Oregon and Bunkerville in 2014 are being acquitted of crimes they were photographed and filmed committing, such as pointing weapons at federal law enforcement. No convictions for 4 men in Bundy standoff case Can anyone try to explain this? I mean, if you're an armed goon going against the government, you should be put in the slammer for an extended period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 Case against the Bundys dismissed "with prejudice," meaning they can't be tried again. The Bundys are all free despite an armed standoff with BLM in Nevada and an armed occupation of federal government property in Oregon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 02:25 PM) Case against the Bundys dismissed "with prejudice," meaning they can't be tried again. The Bundys are all free despite an armed standoff with BLM in Nevada and an armed occupation of federal government property in Oregon. Their group in NV also murdered a cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Speaking of Oregon, has anyone else seen tweets regarding the new self-serve gas law? F***in hysterical. Edited January 8, 2018 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 03:43 PM) Speaking of Oregon, has anyone else seen tweets regarding the new self-serve gas law? F***in hysterical. Still blows my mind. And the ban is still mostly on. Only in small counties and outside some hours can you pump your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 04:07 PM) Still blows my mind. And the ban is still mostly on. Only in small counties and outside some hours can you pump your own. Everyone was concerned about smelling like gasoline...like wtf are you doing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 12:25 PM) Case against the Bundys dismissed "with prejudice," meaning they can't be tried again. The Bundys are all free despite an armed standoff with BLM in Nevada and an armed occupation of federal government property in Oregon. The f***? How did the prosecutors mess this up so badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 02:18 PM) Everyone was concerned about smelling like gasoline...like wtf are you doing lol They probably thought that scene in Zoolander is pretty common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 04:18 PM) Everyone was concerned about smelling like gasoline...like wtf are you doing lol "I'm 62 and have never pumped gas! I don't want to do this!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 06:19 PM) The f***? How did the prosecutors mess this up so badly? Apparently the DOJ is investigating this right now as a serious case of misconduct. Whoever these prosecutors are, they literally put the lives of law enforcement in jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 04:19 PM) The f***? How did the prosecutors mess this up so badly? http://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/201...impression=true An interesting read on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2018 -> 11:37 PM) http://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/201...impression=true An interesting read on this. I still don’t understand how the charges can be dismissed from what is basically a terrorist takeover of a government facility in a different state. Yea, the government f***ed up with the standoff in Nevada, but why does that make Oregon ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 9, 2018 -> 11:37 PM) http://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/201...impression=true An interesting read on this. Using that language in court, that can't be normal? Did the government assign their worst prosecutors on this case? I just don't understand how it could get to that point considering this was domestic terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 10, 2018 -> 07:24 AM) I still don't understand how the charges can be dismissed from what is basically a terrorist takeover of a government facility in a different state. Yea, the government f***ed up with the standoff in Nevada, but why does that make Oregon ok? We have a similar case here locally where local police and prosecutors "forgot to turn off" a camera and recorded confidential conversations between a defendant and their lawyers, and another where they watched the same sort of privileged conversations when they were not supposed to. In both cases it led the police to evidence directly from those conversations which was eventually thrown out in one case. The other case took so long to resolve was evidence was admissible or not, that another judge threw it out because of a constitutional lack of a speedy trial. In any case, the prosecution has a higher burden than the defense where they are not allowed to taint the process, and if they do, it taints the entire case. In this case all of the key parts of evidence that could have been used at trail were hidden from the defense. It is a basic right. Legally it throws the idea of a "fair" trail out of the window. Evidence was hidden and flat out lied about, which taints the entire prosecution. It f***ing sucks as this should have been a slam dunk trial against treasonous activity, instead now the case is blown, and all of the misdeeds of the government will serve as further fodder from the same sorts of lunatics who are still feeding off of things like Waco and Ruby Ridge. Not all prosecutorial subterfuge rises to the level of a constitutional transgression. This does. Under the Due Process Clause, the government must turn over exculpatory evidence to criminal defendants. That makes good sense: A prosecutor's duty is to seek the fair administration of justice, not to secure convictions at any cost. The suppression of exculpatory evidence raises the risk of a wrongful conviction or unduly harsh sentence, a clear contravention of basic due process principles. Yet that's exactly what prosecutors did here. The government claimed that the Bundys lied about snipers and excessive force—indeed, made those alleged fabrications a key part of their legal theory—while withholding evidence that the Bundys were telling the truth. (Navarro speculated that the FBI may have hidden these records on a nondescript flash drive.) Prosecutors suppressed video footage of the Bundys that might have aided their defense. (Acting U.S. Attorney Steve Myhre mocked their request for this footage as "little more than a fantastical fishing expedition.") And government attorneys concealed misconduct at the Bureau of Land Management in an apparent attempt to gaslight the Bundys. (The bureau did not think highly of the family; according to the whistleblower report, agents routinely referred to the Bundys as "retards," "rednecks," "douche bags," and "idiots.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 10, 2018 -> 11:17 AM) It f***ing sucks as this should have been a slam dunk trial against treasonous activity, instead now the case is blown, and all of the misdeeds of the government will serve as further fodder from the same sorts of lunatics who are still feeding off of things like Waco and Ruby Ridge. It's not just being fodder for them. The people in this case are going to break the law again. People in their groups literally killed a police officer at the Nevada standoff. I don't disagree with the Judge's decision either, but if we're mad at the government - this is legitimately a threat to public safety that they have created. Right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Are we also pardoning the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh (posthumously) and David Koresh (likewise)...?Surely the Ruby Ridge family as well. LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! (Janet Reno) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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