Quin Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Basically, the system is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Funny, I was just going to make a thread about this dude today. You're all way ahead of the punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 07:49 PM) They already overspent their allotment, and there are no escalating penalties. Since they will be penalized next two years makes sense to go all out. Sox meanwhile, have not gone over, so this would put them over in that category. Therefore, would have been smarter for cubs to do it after signing like, 300 players, than sox with their 7-8 person class. How steep are the penalties? This guy worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 05:29 PM) Sox better be in on this after wiffing in FA this offseason Sox can't really get involved. He'll go to Dodgers or Cubs because they've already gone way over their pool. If the White Sox were to sign Lazarito, they wouldn't be able to sign anyone from the 2016 class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 05:31 AM) Sox can't really get involved. He'll go to Dodgers or Cubs because they've already gone way over their pool. If the White Sox were to sign Lazarito, they wouldn't be able to sign anyone from the 2016 class. I would take that risk for him but we all know the Sox would never do this. The system is such a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just curious, but what's the latest with Eloy Jimenez? He was probably the most hyped of the Cubs' prospects...like Adolfo for the Sox, but multiplied by a factor of 3X-5X. And we can also say the team payroll luxury tax system in general is a joke, because we counted out the Tigers for most of the off-season and then, poof, Illitch authorized the Upton deal. Surely the Angels will be next to "surprise but not really surprise" everyone... Then again, the World Series winner last year had a payroll in the mid to high $120's for most of the season and the Yankees/Red Sox haven't taken over the world, that's "balance" in another sense. The Blue Jays would be another example, the Astros, the Mets and the Cubs, all those teams were successful without huge payrolls until the deadline last year or going into this offseason. Finally, the Dodgers sank like a rock with Boston, and the White Sox and Padres efforts to buy their way into contention fell flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) I would take that risk for him but we all know the Sox would never do this. The system is such a joke. You'd give up your entire class for one 16 year old? You'd literally be staking your job to it in all likelihood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) I would take that risk for him but we all know the Sox would never do this. The system is such a joke. Every Manfred interview I have seen makes it all but certain that an International Draft is coming very soon, so hopefully issues like this won't arise for much longer. But credit teams like the Cubs and Dodgers for using the system to their advantage unlike the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 5m5 minutes ago Source: Cuban teen phenom Lazarito anticipates a decision by Feb. 10. Already negotiating with teams, while a few private workouts remain. Feb 10: "Lazarito signs with Dodgers/Cubs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I'd rather just spread a wide wide net this year than sign this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 http://m.mlb.com/news/article/162912126/cu...could-sign-soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 FutureSox.com @FutureSox 19m19 minutes ago Question about international sensation Lazarito for Hahn. Hahn talks about continuing to build the international presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 07:23 AM) Every Manfred interview I have seen makes it all but certain that an International Draft is coming very soon, so hopefully issues like this won't arise for much longer. But credit teams like the Cubs and Dodgers for using the system to their advantage unlike the Sox. Which just means the teams who are getting that 2-year penalty likely won't even serve the full penalty once the draft is put in place, unless there is some sort of carryover penalty that is introduced, if that will even fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 11m11 minutes ago There are nine teams who are now heavily involved in bidding for 16-year-old Cuban prospect Lazaro (Lazarito) Armenteros, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) I've read he could sign next week. I read before that he can sign Feb 10th, and that expectations were that it would be pretty quick after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) I read before that he can sign Feb 10th, and that expectations were that it would be pretty quick after that. If he does sign next week, it won't be with the Braves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Because of Maitan? No. They have guys lined up for the J2 in which they are going over. They have to sign him the next signing period or punt on the guys they have lined up. Check that, the answer is obviously yes. Edited February 3, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) No. They have guys lined up for the J2 in which they are going over. They have to sign him the next signing period or punt on the guys they have lined up. Check that, the answer is obviously yes. Yeah. Maitan and a ton of other guys that they basically have agreements with. They have a shot if they can push Lazarito down to J2 but it sounds like he's signing before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/02/brav...out-rumors.html TODAY, 2:50pm: Lazarito and his agents are willing to consider offers that would involve waiting until the next signing period to sign, Sanchez tweets. Certainly, that would appear to open up his potential market to more teams and explain the involvement of so many organizations as he nears a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Where did the Braves come up with all this money to sign Zaitan and Lazarito? It's an interesting long-term play but won't help so much for the first years opening their new suburban stadium...nevertheless, it's a clear direction for the fans at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 3, 2016 -> 07:08 PM) Where did the Braves come up with all this money to sign Zaitan and Lazarito? It's an interesting long-term play but won't help so much for the first years opening their new suburban stadium...nevertheless, it's a clear direction for the fans at least. They do get to open their stadium with a s*** load of young pitching, Freeman at 1B, Enciarte and Olivera in the OF, and Dansby Swanson and Albies in the middle infield. They also have a huge bonus pool in the draft and are going nuts in free agency. Braves fans should be really excited actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 4, 2016 -> 07:36 AM) They do get to open their stadium with a s*** load of young pitching, Freeman at 1B, Enciarte and Olivera in the OF, and Dansby Swanson and Albies in the middle infield. They also have a huge bonus pool in the draft and are going nuts in free agency. Braves fans should be really excited actually. http://atlantabraves.blog.ajc.com/2015/11/...seball-america/ 7 of their top 8 BA top ten guys came within the last year from other organizations. Pretty unusual to see a 30 year-old in Olivera still listed as the top prospect...but that gives those Eddy Alvarez backers some hope because he'd only be 27-28 when he hits the majors, granted, he skipped over 6 years of valuable development time with his skating career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 4, 2016 -> 07:36 AM) They do get to open their stadium with a s*** load of young pitching, Freeman at 1B, Enciarte and Olivera in the OF, and Dansby Swanson and Albies in the middle infield. They also have a huge bonus pool in the draft and are going nuts in free agency. Braves fans should be really excited actually. They really should be. They will probably look to spend in free agency next winter or trade prospect depth for legit players. Edited February 4, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't mean to sound like a tool, but is there any legit proof that this guy is really 16? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 4, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) I don't mean to sound like a tool, but is there any legit proof that this guy is really 16? He doesn't really have any reason to lie signing as a 16-year old. Unless he is saying he's older to be able to sign quicker. Edited February 4, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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