blackmooncreeping Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Great deal for SPAN, his agent really did a job landing $30+ million guaranteed for a 30+ year old coming off injury. Whoever had the idea to post that video of Span in the gym should get a bonus. On the 3 year limit issue, Span's deal it kind of calls the Sox bluff since there's no way Cespedes or Upton sign a 3 year deal, even more so now that Span got 3 years guaranteed. Gotta go 4 years guaranteed imo, and possibly a 5th w/a buyout to beat out other teams. Or offer 3 years frontloaded big time with the 3rd being a player option of lesser AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I read this Passan tweet and thought, hum, the White Sox could use a player or two like that. Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan 5h5 hours ago Denard Span is a classic Giants player: high character, extremely high contact, solid defensively, few weaknesses in all-around game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) I read this Passan tweet and thought, hum, the White Sox could use a player or two like that. Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan 5h5 hours ago Denard Span is a classic Giants player: high character, extremely high contact, solid defensively, few weaknesses in all-around game. Solid defensively he is not...atleast not anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) Solid defensively he is not...atleast not anymore If healthy he should at least be solid in LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) If healthy he should at least be solid in LF. The last time he played left field was 2009. He was fine there I guess. His defense everywhere else including CF has been suspect(to put it nicely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Obviously, the Giants got scared off by the prices on the top guys or didn't want to go into luxury tax land. Their biggest problem is that Span and Pagan are both suspect in CF...in that huge stadium. You'd have to believe if Denard is 100% that he ends up in center, though, with Pagan on a corner. But therein lies an issue with the 2nd/3rd tier guys, you're picking guys with quite a few warts. No guarantees. Just projections based on due diligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Reported that he has a mutual 4th year option as well for $12M or a $4M buyout. Proving once again that 3 years won't get it done with the top two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) Reported that he has a mutual 4th year option as well for $12M or a $4M buyout. Proving once again that 3 years won't get it done with the top two. They know that 3 years isn't getting it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) So the total value is $35 million or $31 million over 3 years (including buyout)??? Interesting that he never got to his workout date for MLB clubs, right? Or did he already hold it? Edit: Guess it's $35 minimum then. $11.67 per year. Edited January 8, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) So the total value is $34 million or $31 million over 3 years (including buyout)??? Interesting that he never got to his workout date for MLB clubs, right? Or did he already hold it? I just read a report about an hour ago that said he didnt work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 The Giants are scary f***ing good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It's going to be quite a battle between the Giants, Dodgers and rising D-Backs out there...with Colorado and SD kind of floating along in limbo and retooling/rebuilding or whatever they choose to call it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) I read this Passan tweet and thought, hum, the White Sox could use a player or two like that. His OBP alone would have been more than welcomed here. Add in the high contact rate with a team who has a low contact rate overall.. we'll see if he's healthy though. I like that move for SF though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Span was the one I would have liked to see here if/when the Sox miss on the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:12 AM) Span was the one I would have liked to see here if/when the Sox miss on the other two. Me too. I would've loved to see if we could get Span and Desmond for somewhere near what Upton/Cespedes would've cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Thats a lot more than I though Span would get and really hurts the Sox by driving the market higher. Span is a good player, but coming off a hip injury which may leave him as a completely different player is a huge risk. I thought he was a great candidate for a one year prove it deal with his hip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) really hurts the Sox by driving the market higher. It helps the Sox by removing an OF buyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) Thats a lot more than I though Span would get and really hurts the Sox by driving the market higher. Span is a good player, but coming off a hip injury which may leave him as a completely different player is a huge risk. I thought he was a great candidate for a one year prove it deal with his hip. QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:45 AM) It helps the Sox by removing an OF buyer. In a weird way a case can be made that it kind of does both, and we'll just have to wait and see which scenario ends up having more weight/impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't see this as driving the market higher at all. Span when healthy has been a 3-4 WAR player, and he still put up 1.4 WAR in just 61 games last year. $31 million over 3 years is a drop in the bucket to most MLB teams these days, and even if he just repeats last year's production he'll easily live up to that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) I don't see this as driving the market higher at all. Span when healthy has been a 3-4 WAR player, and he still put up 1.4 WAR in just 61 games last year. $31 million over 3 years is a drop in the bucket to most MLB teams these days, and even if he just repeats last year's production he'll easily live up to that contract. It's got to drive it up in some regard imo, or at very least it doesn't help the Sox position. Any healthy FA outfielder now makes the obvious argument that if Span gets that much guaranteed in $$ and years, then I deserve more as in theory I give you a more dependable chance at success. Edited January 8, 2016 by blackmooncreeping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) It's got to drive it up in some regard imo, or at very least it doesn't help the Sox position. Any healthy FA outfielder now makes the obvious argument that if Span gets that much guaranteed in $$ and years, then I deserve more as in theory I give you a more dependable chance at success. Meh, with the Giants out they have less leverage now, that has a much bigger impact. And $10-11 million is really not that much, at least not enough to really move the needle, I wasn't expecting Span to sign for $6-8 million per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Considering he originally wanted three years and $40-50 million, the actual 3/$35 (with buyout) is about the same percentage lower compared to original expectations Gordon accepted. Both older/more experienced players, both coming off major injuries that dampened their values a bit...more wear and tear in the past in terms of career games played as a risk factor in the nearer future. That said, Gordon has one of the toughest diet and physical training regimens possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 06:11 PM) Considering he originally wanted three years and $40-50 million, the actual 3/$35 (with buyout) is about the same percentage lower compared to original expectations Gordon accepted. Both older/more experienced players, both coming off major injuries that dampened their values a bit...more wear and tear in the past in terms of career games played as a risk factor in the nearer future. That said, Gordon has one of the toughest diet and physical training regimens possible. come on, this is getting ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) Meh, with the Giants out they have less leverage now, that has a much bigger impact. And $10-11 million is really not that much, at least not enough to really move the needle, I wasn't expecting Span to sign for $6-8 million per year. Hope so. It's an argument you can bet the remaining FA's will make, but it remains to be seen if it works at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I can see some being a bit surprised at the number of years, but what were people expecting Span to sign for? If he was a FA last year he would have been in line for a huge payday, and the injury this year suppressed his cost, but the upside he has when healthy means it wasn't going to suppress it down THAT much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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