Sox interested in Carlos Gonzalez

[SoCalSox]

I see your point, but I don't think the Rockies are going to roll all the way to the All-Star break with 4 lefty hitting outfielders. If CarGo doesn't go now, someone else will imo; the Rockies need to free up a spot for Parra (assuming he stays a Rockie).

 

I highly doubt they signed Parra to trade him...

[southsider2k5]

Frankly, if they can't get a Fulmer level player for him as the centerpiece of a multi-player deal they should hold him until the deadline.

 

Would you be willing to spend $18.5 million Gonzalez over each of the next two years on the open market? (I don't know why I was under the impression his contract was a lot smaller than this) If yes, would the difference between what you would be willing to give him and what he is getting worth six years of Fulmer? Somehow I feel like Gonzalez return should be more like the return for Todd Frazier, maybe less.

[blackmooncreeping]

I highly doubt they signed Parra to trade him...

Agree, but it wouldn't be the first time a guy got traded and then traded again. Highly unlikely but ya never know

[blackmooncreeping]

Would you be willing to spend $18.5 million Gonzalez over the next two years on the open market? (I don't know why I was under the impression his contract was a lot smaller than this) If yes, would the difference between what you would be willing to give him and what he is getting worth six years of Fulmer? Somehow I feel like Gonzalez return should be more like the return for Todd Frazier, maybe less.

I agree, and think the return should be less than the Frazier deal. If it is, Sox should jump on it.

[Al Lopez's Ghost]

Agree, but it wouldn't be the first time a guy got traded and then traded again. Highly unlikely but ya never know

But Parra wasn't traded to Col. He signed as a free agent.

[OmarComing25]

Would you be willing to spend $18.5 million Gonzalez over the next two years on the open market? (I don't know why I was under the impression his contract was a lot smaller than this) If yes, would the difference between what you would be willing to give him and what he is getting worth six years of Fulmer? Somehow I feel like Gonzalez return should be more like the return for Todd Frazier, maybe less.

Agreed. There's no reason to believe CarGo has more trade value than Frazier did, and in fact should be a decent amount less.

[fathom]

I agree, and think the return should be less than the Frazier deal. If it is, Sox should jump on it.

 

With what? There's very little in the system that has value that other teams couldn't EASILY beat

[fathom]

If true, you have to think Adams is used as trade bait for Cargo

 

 

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[Balta1701]

Would you be willing to spend $18.5 million Gonzalez over each of the next two years on the open market? (I don't know why I was under the impression his contract was a lot smaller than this) If yes, would the difference between what you would be willing to give him and what he is getting worth six years of Fulmer? Somehow I feel like Gonzalez return should be more like the return for Todd Frazier, maybe less.

As a White Sox GM? Of course, not, but you know how I feel about this team's direction anyway.

 

Here's the logic behind a Fulmer-level return for the Rockies.

1. They don't appear desperate to clear salary (i.e. just signing a 4th OF).

2. They don't "Have" to move him - teams including the Rockies have gone with 4 OFs in recent memory; in 2014 they had 5 players log 35 or more games out there and the guy who only played 35, Cuddyer, was paid $10.5 million for the privilege.

3. And here's the kicker: the Rockies can hold onto CarGo and see if he repeats his MVP-level 2nd half last year. He's a guy who has played better than Frazier for full seasons in his career and last year in the 2nd half he was spectacular. If there's no pressure to move him and he gets off to a good start this year, then he might be talking about Fulmer++ for him because it's a huge midseason upgrade.

 

If you're not going to pay an appropriate price based on what he did in the 2nd half of last year, then they shouldn't move him. There's downside risk to holding him of course, money and injury and performance dropoff, but unless the Rockies are in the "Desperate" to move him category I'd play the upside risk. Maybe I'd give a tiny discount if I were their GM based on health history, but if I'm trading him, I'm trading an OF who put up a .961 OPS and hit 36 home runs after June 1. You want him? You're paying the price for that player. Otherwise I hold him and see if that player is still there in April.

[fathom]

After Parra mentioned today how excited he is to go play with his BF cargo, it makes me think Dickerson or Blackmon will most likely be traded

[blackmooncreeping]

But Parra wasn't traded to Col. He signed as a free agent.

You are correct sir, my mistake

[iamshack]

After Parra mentioned today how excited he is to go play with his BF cargo, it makes me think Dickerson or Blackmon will most likely be traded

Yeah, makes you think he would have at least asked the question in regards to Cargo's future in Colorado.

 

Would be pretty humorous if they went and moved him now.

 

Honestly, if the Rockies want to move Blackmon, I would absolutely love to have him.

[Whisox05]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/01/12/lev...-a-trade-match/

 

[GGajewski18]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/01/12/lev...-a-trade-match/

 

Levine mentions a pitcher and Avi for CarGo would get it done. Adams and Avi, would you do it?

[fathom]

Awful article by Levine. Avi wouldn't be the main piece, it would be Q or Rodon

[Al Lopez's Ghost]

Levine mentions a pitcher and Avi for CarGo would get it done. Adams and Avi, would you do it?

I'd pull the trigger on that trade. Gotta give up something, Adams should interest Rockies.

[fathom]

Levine mentions a pitcher and Avi for CarGo would get it done. Adams and Avi, would you do it?

 

Absolutely, in a heartbeat

[GGajewski18]

I'd pull the trigger on that trade. Gotta give up something, Adams should interest Rockies.

 

 

Absolutely, in a heartbeat

 

I would too. Resign Alexei to a 1 year deal, move Saladino to utility role, and you have 3 picks in the top 50.

[blackmooncreeping]

Awful article by Levine. Avi wouldn't be the main piece, it would be Q or Rodon

Never know, but if it was along the lines of Adams and Avi, someone else could and would beat that offer imo.

 

If we can include Laroche somehow...ah, forget it

[BlackSox13]

With so many LH outfielders, its easy to see how Colorado could have some interest in Avi's RH bat and no doubt they would be interested in Adams. If the rumor about Colorado wanting Q in return for CarGo is true, the question then becomes, does Avi and Adams hold the same trade value as Q? IMHO, no, because I sure as hell would not trade Q for Avi and Adams. So either the Sox would have to sweeten the deal by adding more pieces to Avi/Adams or Colorado has to lower their price.

Edited January 13, 2016 by BlackSox13

[SoCalSox]

I wouldn't be surprised if Avi/Adams gets it done. Yes, CarGo is a good player but he's also owed $37.88M over the next two years. That's an expensive investment in it's own.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

What if the Sox traded Avi and Adams for Gonzalez and then signed Jackson?

 

If those moves happened, the Sox wouldn't lose any picks, they'd get the lefty power bat they want, and they'd also get a defensive minded outfielder while shipping Avi away.

 

Any thoughts?

[SoCalSox]

What if the Sox traded Avi and Adams for Gonzalez and then signed Jackson?

 

If those moves happened, the Sox wouldn't lose any picks, they'd get the lefty power bat they want, and they'd also get a defensive minded outfielder while shipping Avi away.

 

Any thoughts?

 

I look at it this way. A guy like CarGo costs $17.4M this year & $20.4M next year. Avi means very little to this team but Adams is one of their top pitchers. Trading Adams to me is like losing a pick, plus CarGo costs about as much as one of the top FAs do, so in a sense, it's kinda like losing a pick, IMO.

[BlackSox13]

What if the Sox traded Avi and Adams for Gonzalez and then signed Jackson?

 

If those moves happened, the Sox wouldn't lose any picks, they'd get the lefty power bat they want, and they'd also get a defensive minded outfielder while shipping Avi away.

 

Any thoughts?

I love the idea but JR would need to open up his wallet. We're talking about adding CarGo's '16 salary of 17M + Jackson's salary 8/9M ( speculating) to the payroll that already sits at 119M and ending up at about 145M total. Kind of a stretch, IMHO.

 

Edit: we can knock that total down to around 140/141M because I did not take into account trading Avi's speculated arbitration salary. Still seems to be a stretch.

Edited January 13, 2016 by BlackSox13

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

If Fulmer and Johnson pan out, then the Sox have a rotation of Sale/Q/Rodon/Fulmer/Johnson all in their primes for the next 3-4 years, which would make Adams expendable.

 

It's not a given that Fulmer or Johnson will pan out, but I really wouldn't mind Hahn selling high on Adams in the right deal like he did with Thompson/Montas/Wendelken earlier this offseason.

Edited January 13, 2016 by ChiSoxFanMike