Jose Abreu Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) Yeah, there are reportsb saying they traded revere because he was a luxury with their surplus of OFs. Could be posturing. Seriously, it's not THAT farfetched for them to be in on one of these outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) Could be posturing. Seriously, it's not THAT farfetched for them to be in on one of these outfielders. Exactly. Dickey, Bautista and Encarnacion being free agents would allow them to backload a deal. The free agent class is also terrible next off-season. Not really a crazy idea. Edited January 9, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) Toronto would be better served to make a run at someone like Parra, and look for more pitching depth with the cash it would take for YC/JU. Parra would be a good compliment to a lineup that is full of mashers already imo, as they've got plenty of pop as is. You make a good point and IIRC, the Jays have plenty of RH power hitters. Parra could lead off for them or bat 2nd if they keep Pompey in CF. At this point, I won't rule them out on Cespedes/Upton simply due to them having the money. Just saying it could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) Could be posturing. Seriously, it's not THAT farfetched for them to be in on one of these outfielders. If they do, they'll be scrambling at the deadline for starting pitchers and giving up prospects for relying on guys like Dickey, Hutchison, 1 good year Estrada, and fricken J.A Happ lol. That rotation is worse than it was last years end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:12 PM) If they do, they'll be scrambling at the deadline for starting pitchers and giving up prospects for relying on guys like Dickey, Hutchison, 1 good year Estrada, and fricken J.A Happ lol. That rotation is worse than it was last years end. In your opinion, who should they go out and spend the money on? I wouldn't spend on Gallardo personally and I think Chen is going to sign somewhere else. They could probably get a bat and a cheaper arm as well for depth, especially by back loading an OF deal. Edited January 9, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:14 PM) In your opinion, who should they go out and spend the money on? I wouldn't spend on Gallardo personally and I think Chen is going to sign somewhere else. If they were to spend it on anyone, I'd spend it on Chen. He already knows the AL East and would pitch behind a powerful lineup. If you think they would dish out big money for Cespedes or Upton, they can for Chen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Yeah I'm coming around to the idea of them being a threat. Watch them shock everyone and sign Davis. All the homeruns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:17 PM) Yeah I'm coming around to the idea of them being a threat. Watch them shock everyone and sign Davis. All the homeruns. I could see Davis out of anyone since they have a need at 1B as well. Davis could also play the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:44 PM) Stroman Estrada Dickey Happ Hutchison Jesse Chavez Do they really need seven starters? Don't forget Aaron Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:22 PM) Don't forget Aaron Sanchez. Destined for the bullpen. I don't think he can start, dominant in the pen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:17 PM) Yeah I'm coming around to the idea of them being a threat. Watch them shock everyone and sign Davis. All the homeruns. What's scary is they could use the power from the left side. Not to mention weaken a divisional opponent by taking 40+ home runs away from them and adding him to the Jays roster. I hadn't thought about a match between the Jays and Davis but now that you mention it, I think that idea makes more sense than the Jays going after one of Cespedes/Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:24 PM) Destined for the bullpen. I don't think he can start, dominant in the pen though. This is true but he adds depth to the rotation with being able to spot start which he did last year IIRC. Nevertheless, I agree he likely sits in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:17 PM) Yeah I'm coming around to the idea of them being a threat. Watch them shock everyone and sign Davis. All the homeruns. Tulowitzki, Travis, Colabello, Encarnacion, Bautista, Donaldson, Martin, Davis. All respectable power hitters. 250 home runs? I mean, they hit 232 last year, so maybe even more. That would be such a powerful team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:28 PM) They have Pompey and Saunders...I doubt they'll be looking for one of the top tier guys. If anything, they'll go after a guy like Jackson. Ryan Braun is also available. I'd do it but this board would kill me. Khris Davis is also available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:41 PM) Aren't they notorious for not giving long-term deals That's where Upton on a big one year deal to join that line-up and bash away makes sense. No way he couldn't put up huge numbers there. Less pressure on him. Bautista, Tulo. Encarnacion, Martin and Donaldson already have leadership roles, so expectations wouldn't be unrealistic. Alex Rios and Halladay and Vernon Wells? http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/201...rew-storen.html "In Revere, the Jays part with a speedy leadoff hitter, who was acquired at last year’s trade deadline from the Philadelphia Phillies for a pair of minor-league pitchers. The club will miss his speed, but with Michael Saunders and Dalton Pompey both in the mix as potential everyday left fielders, Revere became expendable. The deal also requires the Jays to send a player to be named later to the Nationals, while the Nationals will send an undisclosed amount of cash Toronto’s way (probably around the $2 million differential in salaries.) The team’s official release did not mention the latter’s inclusion in the deal." Now you have two teams with super-pens in TOR and NY and Boston has to improve as well in that area.... http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/161353214 http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/161...e-jays-rotation If you include Sanchez, who got hammered last year to an 878 tune against lefties, that's seven starters. Probably he combines with Storen, Osuna and Cecil to form that backend core of four super tough relievers. Pressure now shifts to Baltimore to counter. Edited January 9, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 It's going to be very interesting to see what Toronto does from here. I can see a case being made for them going after a SP or OF or 1B. Starting to think they become a big player for Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Not sure what TOR is up to. I see the Revere trade as trading for the sake of opening up a spot in a crowded spot on the depth chart. However saw that RA Dicky may be available which leads me to believe they are looking to cut payroll. Either because they aren't comfortable at the spot they are at now or they are trying to add payroll and thus are looking at places to save. "Blue Jays making R.A. Dickey available? | HardballTalk" via http://TeamStre.am by Bleacher Report http://teamstre.am/1UEUFbW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 10:19 AM) Not sure what TOR is up to. I see the Revere trade as trading for the sake of opening up a spot in a crowded spot on the depth chart. However saw that RA Dicky may be available which leads me to believe they are looking to cut payroll. Either because they aren't comfortable at the spot they are at now or they are trying to add payroll and thus are looking at places to save. "Blue Jays making R.A. Dickey available? | HardballTalk" via http://TeamStre.am by Bleacher Report http://teamstre.am/1UEUFbW That's interesting. Many scenarios can come from this. The article does say Toronto could be looking to move Dickey to make room for Sanchez. If Toronto moves Dickey to put Sanchez in the rotation, they could combine that savings with what they may have in the kity ( payroll at 130M) to sign Davis and give that right handed power heavy lineup more power from the left side. Another possibility would from trading Dickey would be to sign Chen. IMHO, Toronto would move Dickey to make room for Sanchez ( forgot he's just 23) and try to sign Davis. With Sanchez being a mere 23 and healthy, there's no reason to give up on him as a starter. Sanchez had a 3.55ERA in 11 starts for Toronto in '15 so I'd guess they look to make room for him and sign Davis. Not saying that's what will happen, just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) Could be posturing. Seriously, it's not THAT farfetched for them to be in on one of these outfielders. Yeah it is. It's not Mark Shapiro's style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 "The Jays felt that both Revere and Michael Saunders were “everyday players,” and while they didn’t mind having depth in the outfield (with Revere and Saunders potentially joining a group of outfielders that included Jose Bautista, Kevin Pillar and Dalton Pompey), they felt they could deal an outfielder for additional pitching." http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/01/blue...a-saunders.html The Jays supposedly being content with their outfielders + the rumor they are looking/willing to move Dickey + an extremely small market for Davis makes me think they go after Davis to bolster an already powerful lineup while weakening a division opponent. Then again, maybe I'm looking to much into it out of sheer bordome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Boras wants $75-100 million for Chen. From where their rotation is situated, and having already paid Happ and Estrada, that makes little sense...because they would have just signed Chen instead of two guys in the first place but weren't comfortable with that price tag. What does make sense is dumping Dickey to create enough payroll flexibility for a better starting pitcher or hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) FWIW, I read this comment from a Blue Jays fan on Reddit: "Can't see the Jays going after an outfielder (or another position player for that matter). They are pretty much set with Saunders, Pompey, Pillar and Bautista this year. For the years after 2016 you got Alford coming up, DJ Davis if he can get it together, and Vlady jr. of course." Edited January 9, 2016 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) FWIW, I read this comment from a Blue Jays fan on Reddit: "Can't see the Jays going after an outfielder (or another position player for that matter). They are pretty much set with Saunders, Pompey, Pillar and Bautista this year. For the years after 2016 you got Alford coming up, DJ Davis if he can get it together, and Vlady jr. of course." Still, the Blue Jays are in a similar situation to a lot of teams where they have to maximize their chances of winning with two key members of their offensive core leaving after 2016...after next year, Bautista and Encarnacion are likely gone. http://jaysjournal.com/2015/12/06/blue-jay...ract-situation/ Tulo has that long-term deal, but he seems to be declining. Would have to double-check on Martin and Donaldson. Looks like they have Donaldson through 2018 and Martin's contract will be pretty bad in 2018 and 2019. So they have to ask whether they bring in Davis/Cespedes/Upton or extend either Bautista or Encarnacion in their decline years. Edited January 10, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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