Sox Players Filing for Arbitration

[GGajewski18]

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 1m1 minute ago

Brett Lawrie, Zach Putnam, Avisail Garcia and Dan Jennings all file for arbitration. Team/players exchange numbers on Fri. #WhiteSox

[GGajewski18]

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 7m7 minutes ago

If everyone hits arb projections from @mlbtraderumors, and before raises for Rodon, Petricka, etc., #WhiteSox payroll sits at $114.9m.

 

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 22s22 seconds ago

Here's more on the four #WhiteSox who have filed for arbitration. Figures exchanged Friday. http://bit.ly/1Zrr1h9

[blackmooncreeping]

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 7m7 minutes ago

If everyone hits arb projections from @mlbtraderumors, and before raises for Rodon, Petricka, etc., #WhiteSox payroll sits at $114.9m.

 

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 22s22 seconds ago

Here's more on the four #WhiteSox who have filed for arbitration. Figures exchanged Friday. http://bit.ly/1Zrr1h9

SO where are we getting the money to sign even a Dexter Fowler? Payroll is basically sitting at $115 right now, even if Reinsdorf approves a $125 million payroll, that's only 10 million extra to utilize. Seems like a big outfielder was a pipe dream dependent on another pipe dream--finding a taker for the awful contracts of either Danks or Laroche. Hope we aren't Avi or bust in RF...

[Chicago White Sox]

SO where are we getting the money to sign even a Dexter Fowler? Payroll is basically sitting at $115 right now, even if Reinsdorf approves a $125 million payroll, that's only 10 million extra to utilize. Seems like a big outfielder was a pipe dream dependent on another pipe dream--finding a taker for the awful contracts of either Danks or Laroche. Hope we aren't Avi or bust in RF...

I think it means the budget is closer to $130M or we wouldn't even be considering Cespedes, creativity or not.

[BaconOnAStick]

LaRoche and Danks come off the books in a year. Next year's free agent class is very bad. Sox spending next year's added payroll flexibility now isn't far fetched at all.

[BlackSox13]

SO where are we getting the money to sign even a Dexter Fowler? Payroll is basically sitting at $115 right now, even if Reinsdorf approves a $125 million payroll, that's only 10 million extra to utilize. Seems like a big outfielder was a pipe dream dependent on another pipe dream--finding a taker for the awful contracts of either Danks or Laroche. Hope we aren't Avi or bust in RF...

And 115M is for players under contract and arbitration players but does not include filling out the roster with league minimum players. As of right now, the payroll is sitting at about 119M if the arbitration projections hold up. Now that I think about it, I made a thread related to the topic of the Sox payroll...

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=97767

[blackmooncreeping]

Just sayin, it seems we've heard "last year's payroll is this year's payroll" coming out of the FO, which doesn't jive with the talk of these add ons without the benefit of a trade to clear salary. It seems they'll have to go at least $130-$135 to field a serious contender.

Edited January 13, 2016 by blackmooncreeping

[BlackSox13]

Just sayin, it seems we've heard "last year's payroll is this year's payroll" coming out of the FO, which doesn't jive with the talk of these add ons without the benefit of a trade to clear salary. It seems they'll have to go at least $130-$135 to field a serious contender.

I think what you're pointing out is why we heard rumors about LaRoche being shopped. It was Hahn's effort in getting "creative" in order to sign a big FA. Since that effort understably failed, its really up to JR now to expand the budget to allow another acquisition unless the Sox find a sucker for LaRoche or Melky, which I doubt.

 

Looking more and more like the Sox end up going the trade route.

[blackmooncreeping]

I think what you're pointing out is why we heard rumors about LaRoche being shopped. It was Hahn's effort in getting "creative" in order to sign a big FA. Since that effort understably failed, its really up to JR now to expand the budget to allow another acquisition unless the Sox find a sucker for LaRoche or Melky, which I doubt.

 

Looking more and more like the Sox end up going the trade route.

That's how it feels to me, like they might revisit with the Rockies and see if they can come to a deal outside of Q or Rodon. Would Danks, Adams and $$ interest them at all? They need pitching, we need to lose Danks

[BlackSox13]

That's how it feels to me, like they might revisit with the Rockies and see if they can come to a deal outside of Q or Rodon. Would Danks, Adams and $$ interest them at all? They need pitching, we need to lose Danks

Problem is, who replaces Danks in the Sox rotation? I think the Sox need Danks to be honest due to the lack of starting pitching depth.

 

One crazy idea could be something like Avi and EJ for Blackmon. Instead of signing Cespedes, use that money to sign Jackson and a SP. Jackson CF, Eaton LF, Blackmon RF, Melky DH, LaRoche bench bat and Avi- he gawn! I know, its a bit of a stretch.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

Problem is, who replaces Danks in the Sox rotation? I think the Sox need Danks to be honest due to the lack of starting pitching depth.

 

One crazy idea could be something like Avi and EJ for Blackmon. Instead of signing Cespedes, use that money to sign Jackson and a SP. Jackson CF, Eaton LF, Blackmon RF, Melky DH, LaRoche bench bat and Avi- he gawn! I know, its a bit of a stretch.

I actually really like this idea, but I would LOVE it if you replaced EJ with Adams.

[blackmooncreeping]

Problem is, who replaces Danks in the Sox rotation? I think the Sox need Danks to be honest due to the lack of starting pitching depth.

 

One crazy idea could be something like Avi and EJ for Blackmon. Instead of signing Cespedes, use that money to sign Jackson and a SP. Jackson CF, Eaton LF, Blackmon RF, Melky DH, LaRoche bench bat and Avi- he gawn! I know, its a bit of a stretch.

Blackmon would be a good get. I'd actually prefer him to CarGo but I'm figuring the price on Blackmon would be higher and less likely

[Marky Mark]

Blackmon would be a good get. I'd actually prefer him to CarGo but I'm figuring the price on Blackmon would be higher and less likely

 

 

Blackmon's career away splits (Ave/OBP/SLG/OPS): .241/.283/.370/.653

 

Not sure how well that'd translate to the AL and to anyplace that isn't Coors.

[Chicago White Sox]

Blackmon's career away splits (Ave/OBP/SLG/OPS): .241/.283/.370/.653

 

Not sure how well that'd translate to the AL and to anyplace that isn't Coors.

I don't get the Blackmon love at all. He's a league average hitter who plays below average defense. Throw in the Coors Field risk and I'm not sure what the big draw is.

[caulfield12]

I don't get the Blackmon love at all. He's a league average hitter who plays below average defense. Throw in the Coors Field risk and I'm not sure what the big draw is.

 

Young and cheap.

 

Arguably, Trayce Thompson has a chance to be better, but he might need to leave the LA logjam for us to find out.

[Dick Allen]

Just sayin, it seems we've heard "last year's payroll is this year's payroll" coming out of the FO, which doesn't jive with the talk of these add ons without the benefit of a trade to clear salary. It seems they'll have to go at least $130-$135 to field a serious contender.

The White Sox haven't mentioned their payroll at all.

 

One thing they have been able to accomplish over the years is to get the media and the fans to always buy into the "we don't have any money" routine. When they signed Dunn and brought Paulie and AJ back, people wondered where they got the money. The season was a disappointment, the attendance dropped again, but they still, according to Forbes, made money. That was with a $127 million payroll and $25 million less a year from the national TV contract.

 

 

I also don't understand the 2 year window people. Yes, in 2 years guys like Melky and Frazier and Lawrie could be gone, but that frees up money and maybe a couple of minor leaguers step up. One infamous whiner has gone from the Sox window won't open for 2 years to saying it will shut in 2 years due to Frazier and Lawrie. What did they give up for those guys that was going to be the fuel for the team being great in 2 years? I think if they get Cespedes or Fowler or Jackson, they are looking good in 2016. Jackson intrigues me. He was a good player in Detroit but like several others, couldn't hit at all in Seattle. See Beltre, Adrian. He isn't Beltre with the bat, but IMO, would look good in CF, and is still 29 and probably good for at least a 2 WAR, maybe more. I still want Upton, Cespedes, Jackson, Fowler in that order. I think RH will get one of them. It's probably hopeless on Upton, but an OF upgrade, and a couple things going correctly, this team should be pretty good.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Dick Allen

[SCCWS]

The White Sox haven't mentioned their payroll at all.

 

One thing they have been able to accomplish over the years is to get the media and the fans to always buy into the "we don't have any money" routine. When they signed Dunn and brought Paulie and AJ back, people wondered where they got the money. The season was a disappointment, the attendance dropped again, but they still, according to Forbes, made money. That was with a $127 million payroll and $25 million less a year from the national TV contract.

 

 

I also don't understand the 2 year window people. Yes, in 2 years guys like Melky and Frazier and Lawrie could be gone, but that frees up money and maybe a couple of minor leaguers step up. One infamous whiner has gone from the Sox window won't open for 2 years to saying it will shut in 2 years due to Frazier and Lawrie. What did they give up for those guys that was going to be the fuel for the team being great in 2 years? I think if they get Cespedes or Fowler or Jackson, they are looking good in 2016. Jackson intrigues me. He was a good player in Detroit but like several others, couldn't hit at all in Seattle. See Beltre, Adrian. He isn't Beltre with the bat, but IMO, would look good in CF, and is still 29 and probably good for at least a 2 WAR, maybe more. I still want Upton, Cespedes, Jackson, Fowler in that order. I think RH will get one of them. It's probably hopeless on Upton, but an OF upgrade, and a couple things going correctly, this team should be pretty good.

 

I agree and I do think the addition will be Jackson or Fowler. But I do think they need another starting pitcher. I don't think there is a clear cut #6 and these days few teams get away with only 5 starters. If Johnson or Danks fails, another starter is needed but it is not a major void. But if any of the big 3 are lost for a period of time, you will need someone who can fill a major gap. Maybe the FO is comfortable w someone on the roster to fill that role but it is a potential red flag at this point.

 

[BlackSox13]

Blackmon would be a good get. I'd actually prefer him to CarGo but I'm figuring the price on Blackmon would be higher and less likely

I think CarGo still holds more value due to his LH power bat and there aren't many of those available. I could be wrong though.

[LDF]

The White Sox haven't mentioned their payroll at all.

 

One thing they have been able to accomplish over the years is to get the media and the fans to always buy into the "we don't have any money" routine. When they signed Dunn and brought Paulie and AJ back, people wondered where they got the money. The season was a disappointment, the attendance dropped again, but they still, according to Forbes, made money. That was with a $127 million payroll and $25 million less a year from the national TV contract.

 

 

I also don't understand the 2 year window people. Yes, in 2 years guys like Melky and Frazier and Lawrie could be gone, but that frees up money and maybe a couple of minor leaguers step up. One infamous whiner has gone from the Sox window won't open for 2 years to saying it will shut in 2 years due to Frazier and Lawrie. What did they give up for those guys that was going to be the fuel for the team being great in 2 years? I think if they get Cespedes or Fowler or Jackson, they are looking good in 2016. Jackson intrigues me. He was a good player in Detroit but like several others, couldn't hit at all in Seattle. See Beltre, Adrian. He isn't Beltre with the bat, but IMO, would look good in CF, and is still 29 and probably good for at least a 2 WAR, maybe more. I still want Upton, Cespedes, Jackson, Fowler in that order. I think RH will get one of them. It's probably hopeless on Upton, but an OF upgrade, and a couple things going correctly, this team should be pretty good.

 

nice post and pretty much as how i feel.

 

i do not know if i am that whiner you mention, but i thought that comment was funny. good one.

 

now, i am and have been saying for the longest time that the sox do have that money and have it diversified ..... they have great accounts to do that kind of work.

 

but i am also talking about being able to compete in today's environment and a payroll of a 120 mil is not going to cut it. salary is going across the board exponentially and unless the sox expect to field a team like Tpa or an AL west coast team, the chi sox fans will not stand for it.

 

this team has the makings of doing something great, if they continue to get those missing pieces. if the FA's route is too costly for them, then they will not have a choice but to go the trade route.

 

Mil and Tpa are 2 teams looking for salary relief or rebuilding, the whole list of salary arbitration just came out, i am sure some will be release, esp if they win their case.... it is obvious that at this time, other FA's will not be signed. so...... as a fan, i am waiting to see what the owners will allow Hahn to do next.....

 

as caulfield said on the other post young and cheap.

[BlackSox13]

I actually really like this idea, but I would LOVE it if you replaced EJ with Adams.

Same here. Im just guessing Colorado might prefer EJ since he is MLB ready whereas Adams is still a few years away.

[caulfield12]

The White Sox haven't mentioned their payroll at all.

 

One thing they have been able to accomplish over the years is to get the media and the fans to always buy into the "we don't have any money" routine. When they signed Dunn and brought Paulie and AJ back, people wondered where they got the money. The season was a disappointment, the attendance dropped again, but they still, according to Forbes, made money. That was with a $127 million payroll and $25 million less a year from the national TV contract.

 

 

I also don't understand the 2 year window people. Yes, in 2 years guys like Melky and Frazier and Lawrie could be gone, but that frees up money and maybe a couple of minor leaguers step up. One infamous whiner has gone from the Sox window won't open for 2 years to saying it will shut in 2 years due to Frazier and Lawrie. What did they give up for those guys that was going to be the fuel for the team being great in 2 years? I think if they get Cespedes or Fowler or Jackson, they are looking good in 2016. Jackson intrigues me. He was a good player in Detroit but like several others, couldn't hit at all in Seattle. See Beltre, Adrian. He isn't Beltre with the bat, but IMO, would look good in CF, and is still 29 and probably good for at least a 2 WAR, maybe more. I still want Upton, Cespedes, Jackson, Fowler in that order. I think RH will get one of them. It's probably hopeless on Upton, but an OF upgrade, and a couple things going correctly, this team should be pretty good.

 

This act of taking indirect potshots is getting about as old as Malcolm McDowell whining on Mozart in the Jungle about being put out to pasture as conductor.

 

Obviously, if they keep bringing in players who will be around past 2017, there would be a different conclusion to draw. Otherwise, the jury's still out.

 

Let's see if they trade for CarGo/Ethier and bring in Jackson for 1-2 years RATHER than signing Upton, Cespedes, Desmond or Fowler for a minimum of at least three years (and no opt-out after 2017).