LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) Fine. I'll leave. At least my Jackson and Desmond predictions will stand the test of time. Dick Allen can find a new group of fans to whine about and leave me alone. i know this is strange coming from me, but cmon, lets all deal with each other the best we can. it is all fun, talking sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) it is how one will look at it. the fans has no choice but to make the best of it. My reasoning to be hesitant to give up the pick (I know I gave it away about five posts above lol) is because Hahn paid about 5 million for it (the remaining money due to Shark), and turned down whatever low level prospects were available at the deadline. So I dont think most fans desperately want to keep the pick, it is just that we assume that Hahn will be hesitant to eat crow and surrender the pick. Edited January 23, 2016 by GREEDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) My reasoning to be hesitant to give up the pick (I know I gave it away about five posts above lol) is because Hahn paid about 5 million for it (the remaining money due to Shark), and turned down whatever low level prospects were available at the deadline. So I dont think most fans desperately want to keep the pick, it is just that we assume that Hahn will be hesitant to eat crow and surrender the pick. But he could look at it this way. If the Sox sign Fowler and surrendered the pick, he essentially traded Shark for Fowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) My reasoning to be hesitant to give up the pick (I know I gave it away about five posts above lol) is because Hahn paid about 5 million for it (the remaining money due to Shark), and turned down whatever low level prospects were available at the deadline. So I dont think most fans desperately want to keep the pick, it is just that we assume that Hahn will be hesitant to eat crow and surrender the pick. pld don't get me wrong, yesterday and before, i was all for not using any of the picks, i thought that sox could have found value in other non cost ways.... but lets say jackson and desmond, the rtn is too good to pass up. the rtn of some positive success for the sox org is what i would think a hefty price to pay, but hell yeah, pay it and loose the comp pick. just my opinion. however, we are talking about the sox FO and their history here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 An alternative idea could be to sign Jackson and Desmond, then trade Anderson for his outfield minor league equivalent. Something like Anderson to Milwaukee for Brett Phillips. I know Milwaukee has Arcia but they could always slide Anderson over to 2B. That said, I have no idea if the Brewers would be interested in such a deal, just using the Brewers and Phillips as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Why is everyone so quick to want to trade Anderson? Lol He is the one position player we have in the minors that looks promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Why is everyone so quick to want to trade Anderson? Lol He is the one position player we have in the minors that looks promising. Because of Beckham, Brian Anderson, Borchard... Sox make good pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The Sox need to get Anderson to the big leagues and have him be an impact player. That's for sure. The skepticism is totally warranted, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Why is everyone so quick to want to trade Anderson? Lol He is the one position player we have in the minors that looks promising. It's not about being quick to trade Anderson, well, not with me. My thinking is that if the Sox were to sign Desmond, they would have two legit short stops in Desmond and Saladino with a shortage of OF depth. Trading Anderson for his OF equivalent would make sense for a team like the Sox in this scenerio. The only reason I would entertain the idea would be if the Sox signed Desmond to a 2-3 year contract. Another example I would be open to trading Anderson would be for young team controlled outfielders like Ender Inciarte or Preston Tucker. Trust me, I'm in no rush to trade Anderson but am open minded to trading him for the right outfielder to fill a position of need/depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:25 PM) An alternative idea could be to sign Jackson and Desmond, then trade Anderson for his outfield minor league equivalent. Something like Anderson to Milwaukee for Brett Phillips. I know Milwaukee has Arcia but they could always slide Anderson over to 2B. That said, I have no idea if the Brewers would be interested in such a deal, just using the Brewers and Phillips as an example. excellent .... thinking outside the box. i would do that in a heartbeat ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Here's my plan. - Trade Avi and Tyler Danish for Carlos Gomez - Sign Ian Desmond to a 3 year/$45 million deal Lineup: 1. Adam Eaton (RF) 2. Carlos Gomez (CF) 3. Jose Abreu (1B) 4. Todd Frazier (3B) 5. Melky Cabrera (LF) 6. Ian Desmond (SS) 7. Adam LaRoche (DH) 8. Brett Lawrie (2B) 9. Alex Avila/Dioner Navarro © Thoughts? That lineup seems pretty well rounded from top to bottom IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:49 PM) It's not about being quick to trade Anderson, well, not with me. My thinking is that if the Sox were to sign Desmond, they would have two legit short stops in Desmond and Saladino with a shortage of OF depth. Trading Anderson for his OF equivalent would make sense for a team like the Sox in this scenerio. The only reason I would entertain the idea would be if the Sox signed Desmond to a 2-3 year contract. Another example I would be open to trading Anderson would be for young team controlled outfielders like Ender Inciarte or Preston Tucker. Trust me, I'm in no rush to trade Anderson but am open minded to trading him for the right outfielder to fill a position of need/depth. if you don't mind, using known assets to help the team now.... to win to improve and to obtain other assets. i would hate to loose him, but helping this team ...... now .... is more important for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I think I'm beginning to understand why Charlie Brown kept trying to kick that football all those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 11:52 AM) Here's my plan. - Trade Avi and Tyler Danish for Carlos Gomez - Sign Ian Desmond to a 3 year/$45 million deal Lineup: 1. Adam Eaton (RF) 2. Carlos Gomez (CF) 3. Jose Abreu (1B) 4. Todd Frazier (3B) 5. Melky Cabrera (LF) 6. Ian Desmond (SS) 7. Adam LaRoche (DH) 8. Brett Lawrie (2B) 9. Alex Avila/Dioner Navarro © Thoughts? That lineup seems pretty well rounded from top to bottom IMO. I seriously doubt Houston would have interest in Avi. They have enough outfielders and DH's as it is to be honest. Plus, I think Houston is looking to trade an outfielder for another starting pitcher to help them this year so I doubt Danish would peak their interest either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Also I'm hoping Desmond is more like a 2 year 26 million deal with player option otherwise meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 11:52 AM) Here's my plan. - Trade Avi and Tyler Danish for Carlos Gomez - Sign Ian Desmond to a 3 year/$45 million deal Lineup: 1. Adam Eaton (RF) 2. Carlos Gomez (CF) 3. Jose Abreu (1B) 4. Todd Frazier (3B) 5. Melky Cabrera (LF) 6. Ian Desmond (SS) 7. Adam LaRoche (DH) 8. Brett Lawrie (2B) 9. Alex Avila/Dioner Navarro © Thoughts? That lineup seems pretty well rounded from top to bottom IMO. Yeah idk why Houston would want Garcia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Ian Desmond is a massive risk, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he doesn't have a job until the draft pick compensation goes away midseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) If Cespedes on an open market is worth 3/75, a two year Cargo deal would have to be worth at the absolute very least 50 million. If you view the 13 million due to LaRoche as completely sunk it means the Sox would be acquiring Cargo for 2/24 (he is due 37). I would trade the rights to pay Tim Anderson for 25 million dollars, assuming that Hahn has budget constraints. NO way Colorado takes on all $13 million of Laroche's contract in any trade. He's a salary dump, much more so than CarGo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) if you don't mind, using known assets to help the team now.... to win to improve and to obtain other assets. i would hate to loose him, but helping this team ...... now .... is more important for me. It has to be the right player. I wouldn't use Anderson in a trade for players like CarGo, Ethier, Blackmon etc but I would use him to trade for a long term team controlled outfielder like the players I named. Even then, that's pretty much based on if the Sox not only signed Desmond but signed him to a multi-year contract. If Desmond was only for one season then the Sox keep Anderson. I still remain open to the idea of trading Anderson for his OF minor league equivalent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 09:17 AM) All true. But once they backed themselves into this corner, committed to a plan, you finish it. Too bad. All got crazy for the so-called Big Three. Fine. Take a pass. Don't be insane. But finish the job elsewhere. To me, this means Jackson/Desmond. Yep, lose a pick. One stinkin pick (out of the three important picks). Chances of getting value out of the J/D combo are a lot better than value from that second pick. Besides, finish this year's plan since we've already committed! Its all about asset management, . If RH feels that a couple of years of Fowler, Desmond or Jackson is better than the pick you do it. Picks are more than likely not to produce an mlb player so if the contract is a good one they will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) What happens first, Desmond signs or Caulfield returns? Hopefully Desmond signs Edited January 23, 2016 by Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) What happens first, Desmond signs or Caulfield returns? Hmmmmm, I have no idea but I'll guess Desmond signs. I base this on how the Sox seem interested and that Desmond has seemingly no interest from any team but the Sox. Are the Sox still rumored to be interested in Desmond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 You all are a bit rough on poor Caufield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:01 PM) I think I'm beginning to understand why Charlie Brown kept trying to kick that football all those years. I can't remember the last time one of your posts added to the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) What happens first, Desmond signs or Caulfield returns? Caulfield will be back before the weekend is over. He can't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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