White Sox interested in SS Ian Desmond

[Dunt]

Sources say Ian Desmond is having on-going conversations with the #Cardinals, #WhiteSox, #BlueJays. NOTE:he has said he's willing to play OF

[BlackSox13]

The Blue Jays? Where would Desmond play?

 

This sounds more like Desmond's agent at work. I think even the Cards are a stretch.

[caulfield12]

With the Jays, 2b if Travis is out and SS for Tulowitzki.

Also DH, with Colabello far from a sure repeater performance-wise.

 

 

Have said all along he would be a decent or potentially above-average outfielder if he had enough time to prepare.

 

With the White Sox, he would provide insurance at 2b, SS, DH and relegate Saladino to a bench role.

 

If they can't afford Austin Jackson or Desmond Jennings, I'm coming around on Shane Victorino because he can hit lefties and has been a valuable performer on a string of playoff/World Series teams. Guerrero or Kiki Hernandez, they need to improve that bench somehow.

 

Cards have been considering moving Peralta from SS for awhile now, fwiw.

 

http://www.rotochamp.com/baseball/PlayerRa...spx?Position=SS

Edited February 7, 2016 by caulfield12

[BlackSox13]

With the Jays, 2b if Travis is out and SS for Tulowitzki.

Also DH, with Colabello far from a sure repeater performance-wise.

 

 

Have said all along he would be a decent or potentially above-average outfielder if he had enough time to prepare.

 

With the White Sox, he would provide insurance at 2b, SS, DH and relegate Saladino to a bench role.

 

If they can't afford Austin Jackson or Desmond Jennings, I'm coming around on Shane Victorino because he can hit lefties and has been a valuable performer on a string of playoff/World Series teams. Guerrero or Kiki Hernandez, they need to improve that bench somehow.

 

Cards have been considering moving Peralta from SS for awhile now, fwiw.

 

http://www.rotochamp.com/baseball/PlayerRa...spx?Position=SS

The Cards picked up Gyorko to back up the IF. That's why Desmond doesn't make much sense unless the Cards plan on Desmond playing LF?

 

I doubt Toronto has any interest or need for Desmond. That's an expensive way to back up an infield that has depth already and the same can be said for the OF.

 

Desmond makes much more sense for the Sox than Toronto or the Cards. That's not to say the Sox will actually sign Desmond.

[SCCWS]

With the Jays, 2b if Travis is out and SS for Tulowitzki.

Also DH, with Colabello far from a sure repeater performance-wise.

 

 

Have said all along he would be a decent or potentially above-average outfielder if he had enough time to prepare.

 

With the White Sox, he would provide insurance at 2b, SS, DH and relegate Saladino to a bench role.

 

If they can't afford Austin Jackson or Desmond Jennings, I'm coming around on Shane Victorino because he can hit lefties and has been a valuable performer on a string of playoff/World Series teams. Guerrero or Kiki Hernandez, they need to improve that bench somehow.

 

Cards have been considering moving Peralta from SS for awhile now, fwiw.

 

http://www.rotochamp.com/baseball/PlayerRa...spx?Position=SS

 

Victorino is a DL trip waiting to happen. When a player, as Victorino did last week, says "he has never been in better physical condition" red flags should go up.

[fathom]

Sources say Ian Desmond is having on-going conversations with the #Cardinals, #WhiteSox, #BlueJays. NOTE:he has said he's willing to play OF

 

Where you see this?

[Baron]

Where you see this?

 

https://twitter.com/mlb_nl_al

 

Here

 

 

 

People need to post links when they quote tweets

[SCCWS]

Sources say Ian Desmond is having on-going conversations with the #Cardinals, #WhiteSox, #BlueJays. NOTE:he has said he's willing to play OF

 

Today's Tampa Tribune indicates Rays may also be involved since he is a Sarasota native and his price has dropped.

 

[Whisox05]

Today's Tampa Tribune indicates Rays may also be involved since he is a Sarasota native and his price has dropped.

 

One of the things that's been linked with rays and Desmond has been question of giving up the pick. Rays are kinda hesitant about giving up the pick so it's the question of the value worth of giving the pick. I'm guessing the amount they would have to give him along with the pick is going to decide if they are in.

[caulfield12]

The Cards picked up Gyorko to back up the IF. That's why Desmond doesn't make much sense unless the Cards plan on Desmond playing LF?

 

I doubt Toronto has any interest or need for Desmond. That's an expensive way to back up an infield that has depth already and the same can be said for the OF.

 

Desmond makes much more sense for the Sox than Toronto or the Cards. That's not to say the Sox will actually sign Desmond.

 

They could move Peralta to 1b and bench Adams.

Don't see how he would be competing with Gyorko for playing time.

 

The other option is Holliday to first and Desmond in the outfield.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...orth-the-gamble

Edited February 8, 2016 by caulfield12

[fathom]

When you're hoping for 7 pretty important players to rebound...you aren't a very good team.

 

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/163...-in-2016-season

 

 

[Bigsoxhurt35]

When you're hoping for 7 pretty important players to rebound...you aren't a very good team.

 

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/163...-in-2016-season

And one won't really rebound due to his age probably and that's LaDunn. He just needs to be a bag of dicks.

 

I'm pretty sure Melky will be better.

[Vance Law]

When you're hoping for 7 pretty important players to rebound...you aren't a very good team.

 

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/163...-in-2016-season

 

Compare this to all other teams.

[Dick Allen]

When you're hoping for 7 pretty important players to rebound...you aren't a very good team.

 

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/163...-in-2016-season

Pods, Cotts, Politte, Crede, Contreras, Garland, Hermanson. 7 needed a pretty big rebound in 2005 as well.

[fathom]

Pods, Cotts, Politte, Crede, Contreras, Garland, Hermanson. 7 needed a pretty big rebound in 2005 as well.

 

Most of those guys weren't nearly as bad in 2004 as the 7 listed in the article were in 2015. Only Cotts had a negative WAR in 2004 I believe.

[OmarComing25]

When you're hoping for 7 pretty important players to rebound...you aren't a very good team.

 

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/163...-in-2016-season

"Bounce back" or "rebound" implies that the player in question was good in the past but then had a bad year. That doesn't really fit for Garcia or Johnson, and Webb and Turner are stretches as well. You can't bounce back if there was nothing to bounce back to. Ventura also seems out of place on the list.

[fathom]

"Bounce back" or "rebound" implies that the player in question was good in the past but then had a bad year. That doesn't really fit for Garcia or Johnson, and Webb and Turner are stretches as well. You can't bounce back if there was nothing to bounce back to. Ventura also seems out of place on the list.

 

For most of these guys, like you said, the Sox would need a breakout season from them and not a rebound season. A good majority of that list could easily find themselves out of the majors come 2017.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

When you're hoping for 7 pretty important players to rebound...you aren't a very good team.

 

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/163...-in-2016-season

 

Actually only named 6 players and Ventura and some of those guys mentioned really don't fit the narrative. Garcia and LaRoche do but the others Erik Johnson, Jacob Turner, Alex Avila and Daniel Webb just don't fit it.

 

EJ isn't really hoping for a bounce back because he's not an established ML pitcher. He's already bounced back from his disaster of 2014 . Now he just needs to establish himself as a quality starting pitcher. Turner and Webb probably don't make the opening day roster unless something great happens in ST for them. Avila is what he is ,would love to see him bounce back somewhat but even if he doesn't hit for average he's still good for OBP.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

"Bounce back" or "rebound" implies that the player in question was good in the past but then had a bad year. That doesn't really fit for Garcia or Johnson, and Webb and Turner are stretches as well. You can't bounce back if there was nothing to bounce back to. Ventura also seems out of place on the list.

 

Didn't see this reply before I posted mine, but thinking along the same lines.

[caulfield12]

Most of those guys weren't nearly as bad in 2004 as the 7 listed in the article were in 2015. Only Cotts had a negative WAR in 2004 I believe.

 

How or why would Dye and AJ not be on that list? El Duque?

 

For the White Sox, the only players with a bounceback to hope for are Cabrera and LaRoche, in terms of their prior careers. Including Jacob Turner's really pushing the definition. He's had one career year with a war of around 2.

[Dick Allen]

How or why would Dye and AJ not be on that list? El Duque?

 

For the White Sox, the only players with a bounceback to hope for are Cabrera and LaRoche, in terms of their prior careers. Including Jacob Turner's really pushing the definition. He's had one career year with a war of around 2.

How and why would be answered if you looked at their 2004 seasons, and for El Duque, he wasn't so good for the White Sox except for 1 inning.

[caulfield12]

How and why would be answered if you looked at their 2004 seasons, and for El Duque, he wasn't so good for the White Sox except for 1 inning.

 

But they were all prime bounceback candidates entering 2005.

 

Other than Cabrera, LaRoche, the catchers and sort of Duke...we don't have as many guys with solid track records.

 

The other main difference is how many of those guys in 2005 were close to their primes and rebounding...with the exception of El Duque.

[Thad Bosley]

When you're hoping for 7 pretty important players to rebound...you aren't a very good team.

I think the concern is that the team that came dead last in offense last year is still below average offensively in nearly half the spots in the lineup (Garcia, LaRoche, Saladino, and Cabrera), at least as the roster is presently constituted. That and the corner outfield defense are particularly troublesome going into this season at the moment.

[SCCWS]

I think the concern is that the team that came dead last in offense last year is still below average offensively in nearly half the spots in the lineup (Garcia, LaRoche, Saladino, and Cabrera), at least as the roster is presently constituted. That and the corner outfield defense are particularly troublesome going into this season at the moment.

 

Most if not all teams have at least 1 defensive spot in their lineup. So the Sox can live w Saladino's offense if he can play defense at SS. Cabrera pretty much produced as expected. His RBI total was much better than his career average and his BA was 10 points below. But he is not what you really want from a power standpoint from a corner OF. I think they needed 1 more bat but the offense looks to be slightly below average. So they have to hope the pitching improves enough to make up for some of the offense. I think that will be a problem because their starters were pretty much healthy last year so tough to expect the same again this year. The pen should be better w Jones back for a full season.

 

[caulfield12]

And that's also assuming Frazier's second half was an anomaly and he hits the ground running in the AL.

 

It's going to take further improvement from Rodon and a 3.5-3.75ish ERA from Johnson for us to go anywhere with all the offensive and defensive question marks.

 

Cuurently, we have a run dating back to 2007 of not coming out of April more than 1 game over .500 and typically 3-4 games under...which would be yet another wet blanket and turn the focus back to Ventura when realistically this isn't a playoff team as presently constituted. I actually feel sorry for Ventura because he is the last target left before the blame starts migrating higher.

 

I can't imagine having a thread about the Sox moving had we just signed Justin Upton.

Edited February 9, 2016 by caulfield12