OmarComing25 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) I will say this- I don't think a front office would ever even consider looking at WAR numbers when putting together a team. I couldn't disagree more. I don't understand the hate for WAR. It's the best way to compare across leagues and positions. A 3.00 ERA in the NL while pitching half your games in San Diego is a lot different than a 3.00 ERA in the AL while pitching half your games in Arlington. An .800 OPS for a 1B is far less valuable than an .800 OPS for a SS or a C. WAR just makes these comparisons quick and easy, and while it has its faults so does every stat, and I find its faults to be far less severe than the faults of most traditional stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyozuna Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Any chance this is put out there to try and pressure another team Hahn might be in trade talks with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) You would be wrong on that, Jerksticks. Incredibly wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 If we didn't use WAR would we know just how useless Avi was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) If we didn't use WAR would we know just how useless Avi was? The other metrics just reinforce what the WAR says about him. His WAR is just a nice little convenient way of packing all the suckage into one number. Ian Desmond would be a nice change from Alexei. Essentially would we save 7 runs by adding him. Plus we would save 1 base while Alexei was -10. People keep repeating the error numbers like that amounted to something. They actually didnt amount to much if anything. He's zeroed out across the board in all defensive categories except for double plays were he is plus 1. Edited February 11, 2016 by Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 All I'm saying is FOs employ tons of people to evaluate players across all metrics, including intangibles. They aren't gonna go the lazy route to evaluate where they spend millions of dollars. We're talking about millions of dollars here, not fanboy fantasy leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 04:25 PM) All I'm saying is FOs employ tons of people to evaluate players across all metrics, including intangibles. They aren't gonna go the lazy route to evaluate where they spend millions of dollars. We're talking about millions of dollars here, not fanboy fantasy leagues. You said "I don't think a front office would ever even consider looking at WAR numbers when putting together a team." That's a lot different from ONLY using WAR numbers when putting together a team. I don't think anyone thinks FO only look at WAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (yoyozuna @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) Any chance this is put out there to try and pressure another team Hahn might be in trade talks with? Highly doubt it. Merkin confirmed interest in both him & Fowler yesterday, plus raBBit has reported this a few times as well. I'm not a big fan but there's no denying that he improves this team. I can't see him going for a 1 year deal, so it may make sense to do 2-3 years & move him to the OF when Anderson is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Ideally the Sox would sign Desmond and trade for Ethier. Dunno bout that latter part though, seems pretty unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (daggins @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) Ideally the Sox would sign Desmond and trade for Ethier. Dunno bout that latter part though, seems pretty unlikely. That's a lot of money... Signing Desmond & trading for Desmond Jennings or signing Jackson would make more sense, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Heyman coming on the MLB Network to talk about FA & specifically Desmond & the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Herman reporting that the Sox are "Seriously considered making a big run at Ian Desmond". Said he thinks he's a great fit & talks like it will be more than 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 05:14 PM) Herman reporting that the Sox are "Seriously considered making a big run at Ian Desmond". Said he thinks he's a great fit & talks like it will be more than 1 year. The White Sox don't operate this way. Hahn even said they like to keep the competition in the dark. I think this is a plant to try to get Fowler to move. Or a plant by Desmond camp to try to drum up business. Edited February 11, 2016 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 If they sign Desmond they are going to roll with Avi for next year. You can pretty much book that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 05:24 PM) The White Sox don't operate this way. Hahn even said they like to keep the competition in the dark. I think this is a plant to try to get Fowler to move. I'm thinking this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Do they really though? All of Hahn's recent moves we've known pretty well in advance they had interest. Samardjiza days in advance. Frazier interest for months. Lawrie was telegraphed like a glove. Latos was only "surprise" Peavy to Boston, etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 There's no way Desmond's agent lets him sign long term for something reasonable like 10-12/year right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) Do they really though? All of Hahn's recent moves we've known pretty well in advance they had interest. Samardjiza days in advance. Frazier interest for months. Lawrie was telegraphed like a glove. Latos was only "surprise" Peavy to Boston, etc etc Those were after the fact. It wasn't seriously thinking about making a big run type of stuff. Melky and Robertson were surprises. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 04:28 PM) You said "I don't think a front office would ever even consider looking at WAR numbers when putting together a team." That's a lot different from ONLY using WAR numbers when putting together a team. I don't think anyone thinks FO only look at WAR. I see your point but I have to disagree. I don't see how WAR helps a front office evaluate players. I like WAR for fans, I really do, but I don't see why a FO would need to organize players in such a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 05:14 PM) Herman reporting that the Sox are "Seriously considered making a big run at Ian Desmond". Said he thinks he's a great fit & talks like it will be more than 1 year. That just seems crazy to go long term on a guy when they theoretically have Anderson waiting in the wings. Plus, IDK if like the idea of signing Desmond long term when his stats have progressively gotten worse over the last three years. This has to be Desmond's camp or the Sox trying to play the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Dan Hayes "confirming" too: "Confirmed @JonHeyman report that #WhiteSox in talks w/ free agent SS Ian Desmond. Desmond avg 3.8 WAR from 12-15. http://bit.ly/1Qb4kJG" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I bet Dan is just confirming that Heyman tweeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) I bet Dan is just confirming that Heyman tweeted. Well he is confirming they are talking. That's fairly big news. So maybe this will get done before players start showing up to spring training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Based on these tweets, I'm very confident either Desmond or Fowler will be a member of the Sox by the end of the weekend. My guess is Desmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 11, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) Dan Hayes just confirmed. https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/697928034154782721 The Sox want this out there. What that means, you can make your own interpretation. Correct. Though, it is just after soxfest. They may have decided to throw Danny some bones this year. Reinsdorf does own part of CSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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