Saufley Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) The White Sox owe me absolutely nothing. It was my decision many years ago to become a White Sox fan. End of story. Me too, with the proper guidance of my Father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Sox def don't "owe anyone anything" but as a pro club I can def pay for my tickets / mlb.tv and voice my opinion when at the park or watching online or wherever and whenever else. Cooper's public persona is awful however. He's really not doing the club any favors dissing the fans. You never, ever, win as a franchise insulting the fans it doesn't matter if you're correct or justified you just cannot critique your fans it's not good practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) Me too, with the proper guidance of my Father. And that man in your avatar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) The White Sox owe me absolutely nothing. It was my decision many years ago to become a White Sox fan. End of story. At the same time, you owe the White Sox nothing. You do them a favor by going to games and watching them on television. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) Me too, with the proper guidance of my Father. Now that's a good father! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) And that man in your avatar! Picture taken on the day his number was retired. We were a few skyboxes down from Frank. My wife even got a Thomas jersey autographed. I feel like a name dropper. But, so what! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 01:13 AM) Cooper's public persona is awful however. He's really not doing the club any favors dissing the fans. You never, ever, win as a franchise insulting the fans it doesn't matter if you're correct or justified you just cannot critique your fans it's not good practice. He's obviously one of those guys who just despise fans' second guessing. There's really nothing wrong with that EXCEPT he gets paid a lot of money to deal with fan criticism (the little there is). He needs to just shut up and coach. But I can see why he'd hate second guessing. Is he a total jerk in real life? Can anybody shed light on that or does he just hate media and opinionated fans? Edited January 21, 2016 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 08:24 PM) He's obviously one of those guys who just despise fans' second guessing. There's really nothing wrong with that EXCEPT he gets paid a lot of money to deal with fan criticism (the little there is). He needs to just shut up and coach. But I can see why he'd hate second guessing. Is he a total jerk in real life? Can anybody shed light on that or does he just hate media and opinionated fans? When I saw him at spring training he was fine. Polite, signed balls, generally seemed to enjoy talking to the fans. I just think he's a grumpy old man who probably feels he doesn't have to suffer any fools given his standing with the ORG. As I keep saying, the ORG has gone pretty stale and guys are way too comfie in their seats. Including Cooper IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 12:24 AM) He's obviously one of those guys who just despise fans' second guessing. There's really nothing wrong with that EXCEPT he gets paid a lot of money to deal with fan criticism (the little there is). He needs to just shut up and coach. But I can see why he'd hate second guessing. Is he a total jerk in real life? Can anybody shed light on that or does he just hate media and opinionated fans? what make his different than buddy rayn when he coach the bears..... maybe he was constipated Edited January 21, 2016 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 12:05 AM) The White Sox owe me absolutely nothing. It was my decision many years ago to become a White Sox fan. End of story. the sox owed me 1 thing and i hope i would get it before they bury my sorry arse in the ground..... a world series .... i got that. i am content. bulls, championship, ck bears championship ck hawks championship ck sox... championship ck. not in jail....... ck what more can i ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) the sox owed me 1 thing and i hope i would get it before they bury my sorry arse in the ground..... a world series .... i got that. i am content. bulls, championship, ck bears championship ck hawks championship ck sox... championship ck. not in jail....... ck what more can i ask. Lol,well done LDF. Your sports bucket list is complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 05:52 PM) Omg my teenage daughter is less drama. We get it, you are offended that someone who may or may not have been Cooper dared to say we don't need you if you don't support us. Shake your fist at the sky, Abraham! . I'd appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. I never said I was offended. I said I was interested in the topic of discussion. But guess what? You get to have the last word. Go for it! Have a nice day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) I said I was interested in the topic of discussion. With the trades the Sox have made, the rumors surrounding the Sox about Cespedes and the topic of discussion you choose is some words Cooper supposedly had with some fans on Facebook? Interesting... Edited January 21, 2016 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) . I'd appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. I never said I was offended. I said I was interested in the topic of discussion. But guess what? You get to have the last word. Go for it! Have a nice day Yup. Whatever. Believe whatever you chose to believe. The paying customer expresses dissatisfaction with the product they support with their $$$. Yea those schmucks, they deserve to be ripped to kingdom come Your post at WSI. You sure seem offended to me. If you are not offended, why did you make such a big deal about it here and at WSI? Edited January 21, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 05:40 PM) So basically if it doesn't interest you it's a bunch of crap and we should all shut it down.. Who appointed you all high and mighty in terms of what people should or should be interested in? What would you rather discuss? Lets go over the potential starting lineup for the 2016 opener.. for the millionth time… or lets discuss any other you deem appropriate.. God forbid someone discuss something that doesn't interest you.. I find at least it a topic of note, that a high ranking member of the Sox organization got busted (assuming this is 100% true) for expressing his rather disparaging opinion of Sox fans.. I'm curious about everything Sox and the Sox organization… is this the way the organization as a whole feels about their fans? Is Cooper basically the hothead that ends up not being able to contain the corporate restraint? There's a lot more to this story than maybe you're aware off. He really went off on some people, some season ticket holders… Bottom line.. I get it.. there's a certain faction that must desperately twist any negative attitude about the Sox as rants from a bunch of whiny babies and lunatics.. It works out great because it helps support their superior view of themselves as the more knowledgeable, calm, restrained, professional fan... You are assuming this is all true. Secondly, who are you to tell us that this is something we should be interested in. This works both ways. His opinion that this is stupid, petty, and pointless is just as important as yours that this some how is worth being upset about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 05:49 PM) Then I would assume then that if you go to US Cellular and pay top dollar to see MLB, and the Sox decide to put their AAA team on the field, you would be totally cool with that because the Sox don't owe you anything.. no business owes you anything You're kidding, right..? I happen to be an independent business person and I damn well owe the people who pay for my service something. Timely delivery, professional quality product and service… Good Lord... You are owed what you pay for. Nothing more, nothing less. Past that? Get over yourself. They sure don't owe the general public getting the knobs slobbered on outside of the ballpark. Seriously stop and think about this. Let's assume what you say is true. Some essentially cyberstalks Don Cooper. We aren't talking about his performance at a ball game. We aren't talking about his actions on a radio show, in a television interview, or even at a White Sox sanctioned event, or even anything general public related. We are talking about private messages on facebook. Someone tracked him down, friended him and THEN sent him a private message looking for something. They didn't like the answer they got, even though the initiation of the contact was 100% of them. If you want to bring yourself into this, what level of personal access do you allow your clients? Do they get to follow you into your personal life and home and decide if what you say hurts their feelings, then trying to make that grudge into a public lynching in an attempt to sabotage your client base, even though it had nothing to do with your business or professional performance... and you'd be OK with that? This has absolutely NOTHING do with Don Cooper's "Timely delivery, professional quality product and service". He does that just fine. Don Cooper's facebook page isn't stopping Chris Sale from being a perpetual Cy Young candidate. This is a personal vendetta, at best, assuming this is actually true. If it isn't it is a bulls*** attempt at character assassination. Yes, people need to get over themselves if they think this is really something worth getting upset about. I can even get something like a DUI, beating his wife, etc... but some supposed facebook private messages? Find some priorities in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) It is pretty apparent you tell the neighborhood kids to stay off your lawn. You're at least as cranky as Cooper. True. I tell the kid next door to stay off my lawn.. and go deep for a pass…because when the weathers decent we throw the football around.. I get along just fine with everyone in the neighborhood, young and old.. But again, I get it.. You need to paint me as this cranky complaining lunatic fan in order to support the points in your argument.. That certain fans like to complain, just to complain..so ultimately the Sox are justified in calling out their fans for whatever reason.. Its hard for me to take you seriously and have an intelligent discourse when you just throw stuff out there with clearly no idea what you're talking about.. and that's happened now twice in the same thread… My main goal in my business, as in any business.. is to maintain a healthy, working sustained relationship with my customer..yes, sometimes they are clearly wrong..but.. the last thing I would do is call them on the carpet and dress them down.. my main focus is: yes we have a problem here, but. let's try to work together to fix it… True. if I as a consumer. and in this case, a consumer of a ticket or tickets to Sox games…consumer of concessions, parking,etc…. don't feel I am getting my money's worth.. I am free to choose to not go back and spend my money, as a statement of my disapproval.. But now you see my friend, apparently people are doing that.. walking away…bottom of the barrel MLB attendance figures not to mention lowest in MLB RCN Prime Time TV ratings.. When a person with a major role in the organization goes public and rips into fans for their non attendance, as if to say "how dare you not attend games!"…I believe that to be quite appalling.. apparently you and other don't . so be it Edited January 21, 2016 by captain54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) Your post at WSI. You sure seem offended to me. If you are not offended, why did you make such a big deal about it here and at WSI? never once in the thread did I explicitly state I was offended or disgusted.. I brought it up on WSI as a topic of discussion, and thats all she wrote, pal. But feel free to paint it whatever color or shade you'd care to.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 10:02 PM) never once in the thread did I explicitly state I was offended or disgusted.. I brought it up on WSI as a topic of discussion, and thats all she wrote, pal. But feel free to paint it whatever color or shade you'd care to.. I posted what you wrote at WSI. If it didn't offend you, it wouldn't have been worthy of all the attention you have given it. And your use of "pal" speaks volumes. There is no way a guy who gets so irritated on a message board using pal, doesn't blow a gasket when a customer tells him his service blows. It is funny, Cooper's passion in life gets ripped, he defends it and rips people , that is wrong, but you doing the same thing, no problem. Nobody cares here about it, and only a select few even care about it at a place they freak out when stripes on the road pants get changed. Edited January 21, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) Yes, people need to get over themselves if they think this is really something worth getting upset about. I can even get something like a DUI, beating his wife, etc... but some supposed facebook private messages? Find some priorities in life. If Cooper went public, on radio, TV, social media, etc.. and said.. "I LOVE Fords.. I think Chevy's SUCK!" and people were upset about that.. I would say totally . that would be out of line.. However in one of these FB exchanges, Cooper said, roughly.. "if you are a fan that is unhappy and complaining and negative, we don't want you as a fan anyway" Now this was addressed to anyone who complained about the Sox.. whether they be a season ticket holder, a past season ticket holder, or a possible potential season ticket holder… I'm not sitting around frustrated and fuming about this. trust me.. but it sure piques my curiosity about how things are done behind closed doors at 35th and Shields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 10:07 PM) There is no way a guy who gets so irritated on a message board using pal, doesn't blow a gasket when a customer tells him his service blows. It is funny, Cooper's passion in life gets ripped, he defends it and rips people , that is wrong, but you doing the same thing, no problem. Nobody cares here about it, and only a select few even care about it at a place they freak out when stripes on the road pants get changed. Difference is, I"m not a high ranking member of the Sox organization, with the potential to further damage an already shaky relationship with the fans.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Difference is, I"m not a high ranking member of the Sox organization, with the potential to further damage an already shaky relationship with the fans.. Get your Facebook friends to protest at USCF. Block the entrances on Opening Day, there should be enough people outraged like you, and call for Cooper's head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 10:20 PM) Get your Facebook friends to protest at USCF. Block the entrances on Opening Day, there should be enough people outraged like you, and call for Cooper's head. Wow . I guess you told ME.. I couldn't possibly have a comeback for that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 20, 2016 -> 10:26 PM) Wow . I guess you told ME.. I couldn't possibly have a comeback for that.. For a guy who claims he wasn't offended or disgusted, you sure keep making a big deal out of this when the vast majority you have presented this to doesn't care in the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 12:44 AM) When I saw him at spring training he was fine. Polite, signed balls, generally seemed to enjoy talking to the fans. I just think he's a grumpy old man who probably feels he doesn't have to suffer any fools given his standing with the ORG. As I keep saying, the ORG has gone pretty stale and guys are way too comfie in their seats. Including Cooper IMO. Good post. I think you hit it on the head. He doesn't suffer fools, well, or people he perceives to be a fool. That's OK. It's kind of funny to hear him be the grumpy ol man on the radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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