SCCWS Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Like most Sox fans, I am assuming we will add some outfield help and it will ultimately improve our outfield defense. But what about the infield. As it stands right now, I think it is a major step up offensively. But would Lawrie, Saladino and Frazier be worse than Alexei, Saladino and Sanchez defensively?? If so then it would seem Hahn would have to improve the outfield to somewhat offset it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Sabermetrics aside: 2B: Lawrie SS: Saladino > Ramirez 3B: Frazier However, overall, I do think the IF defense will be improved. Frazier and Saladino are above average, and Lawrie may be decent with a full season at 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 09:46 AM) Sabermetrics aside: 2B: Lawrie SS: Saladino > Ramirez 3B: Frazier However, overall, I do think the IF defense will be improved. Frazier and Saladino are above average, and Lawrie may be decent with a full season at 2B. 3B was a lot of Mike Olt, too, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Still feel the team is better with Sanchez at 2B and should of gotten an upgrade (even slight) at SS, but we'll see how Lawrie does with the glove. He should at least be better with the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:47 AM) 3B was a lot of Mike Olt, too, though. Sox games started at 3B according to BBreference. Saladino 53 Gillaspie 50 Beckham 39 Olt 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 08:46 AM) Sabermetrics aside: 2B: Lawrie SS: Saladino > Ramirez 3B: Frazier However, overall, I do think the IF defense will be improved. Frazier and Saladino are above average, and Lawrie may be decent with a full season at 2B. Not sure I have seen enough of Saladino at SS to say that he will be better there than Ramirez was. Ramirez was streaky on defense, sometimes he would make some poor plays but other times he was as good of defender as there was at SS. He has lost a step with his range, but I am not sure Saladino ever had that step to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 One thing that really killed the Sox last year was the defense at the beginning with Gillaspie, Alexei being horrid the first couple of months, Micah, and Abreu being lost initially. Opening Day to Opening Day, it should be much better. The Sox did a great job of fixing the infield defense on the fly last year with Saladino, Sanchez and Alexei getting his head on straight, to the point where no one really could complain about the infield defense the second half of the season. It was pretty stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I think the Sox infield defense will be greatly improved this season. Left side of the field looks pretty lockdown in my opinion, I bet Lawrie will play a more than adequate 2B, and I think a better left side will help Abreu be a better 1B (better throws). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) Sox games started at 3B according to BBreference. Saladino 53 Gillaspie 50 Beckham 39 Olt 20 Meh, Gillaspie = Olt too. "Olt" isn't a player -- "Olt" is an archetype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 So, it looks like we'll be very improved for 80 games from last year. HOpefully whomever we get in RF is actually a marked improvement (i.e. no fowler please). The benefit to our pitching staff is worth more than the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) Meh, Gillaspie = Olt too. "Olt" isn't a player -- "Olt" is an archetype Yeah, to me it looks like we had really good defenders there for half the year, and really bad ones for the other half. With Frazier, we get a solid defender there all year. I'd call it a slight upgrade on the whole defensively. Now offensively, that is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 It depends on who is hitting and if there is anyone on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So nobody has really answered the question. How will this infield defense rank in our own division in terms of first through fifth? Personally isn't it a big question mark? Abreu is not known for his defense; isn't Lawrie basically below average? Saladino is a total question mark and Frazier is average at best?? I'm not flaming, just asking. To me it seems the infield defense is a huge question mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2016 -> 10:18 PM) So nobody has really answered the question. How will this infield defense rank in our own division in terms of first through fifth? Personally isn't it a big question mark? Abreu is not known for his defense; isn't Lawrie basically below average? Saladino is a total question mark and Frazier is average at best?? I'm not flaming, just asking. To me it seems the infield defense is a huge question mark. There's definitely some question marks until we see everyone on the field. Abreu: all we can do is hope he can continue to get better and I think he will. I think having a solid 3B in Frazier will help Abreu's defense. Poor Abreu has had a few bad third baseman to handle throws from. Gillaspie, I'm looking at you! Lawrie: was an above average 3B in Toronto before his injuries. Oakland bounced him around the field so he never had a chance to solidify himself in one position. Watched him make a few nice plays at 2B for Oakland and seems to have enough quickness and range for the position with a much stronger arm than what we've seen from Sanchez. I think he will be fine since he will have a chance to settle in at 2B with the Sox. Saladino: SS is his natural position. Supposed to have good range and we all know he has the arm strength. I honestly believe Saladino will be a defensive upgrade over Alexei. Frazier: great range but for whatever reason his fielding and throwing errors were up last season. Maybe a by-product of playing for a s***ty Reds team that became sellers? Who knows. Still an upgrade over what we've seen from third baseman for the last.... well,too many years. Lol. I think that overall the infield defense will be much better. What really concerns me is the outfield defense. That's what we should really be talking about. Uhg! Edited January 22, 2016 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) There's definitely some question marks until we see everyone on the field. Abreu: all we can do is hope he can continue to get better and I think he will. I think having a solid 3B in Frazier will help Abreu's defense. Poor Abreu has had a few bad third baseman to handle throws from. Gillaspie, I'm looking at you! Lawrie: was an above average 3B in Toronto before his injuries. Oakland bounced him around the field so he never had a chance to solidify himself in one position. Watched him make a few nice plays at 2B for Oakland and seems to have enough quickness and range for the position with a much stronger arm than what we've seen from Sanchez. I think he will be fine since he will have a chance to settle in at 2B with the Sox. Saladino: SS is his natural position. Supposed to have good range and we all know he has the arm strength. I honestly believe Saladino will be a defensive upgrade over Alexei. Frazier: great range but for whatever reason his fielding and throwing errors were up last season. Maybe a by-product of playing for a s***ty Reds team that became sellers? Who knows. Still an upgrade over what we've seen from third baseman for the last.... well,too many years. Lol. I think that overall the infield defense will be much better. What really concerns me is the outfield defense. That's what we should really be talking about. Uhg! a great breakdown by position and players. i really think it starts and ends with the SS Saladino defense will hold the whole infield together.... and from that there will be a ripple effect with everyone stepping up. alot can be said for starting with 3b, the hot corner and i will not disagree, but i think it is the SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Have you seen this?: http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2015/12/09/159247...mp-to-instagram If Lawrie keeps this up, he's likely to spend considerable time on the DL. Sanchez may see more playing time than we think. Look, I'm very impressed, but that kind of workout is very dangerous. He's jumping toward a hard wall, on a very flimsy stack, and from a hard floor. He really should have some spotters close by, at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Infield D should be good with 2 improving young players plus 2 vets. I thin Sanchez will hit although I don't know where. Re signing Alexei would have been daft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 07:01 AM) Have you seen this?: http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2015/12/09/159247...mp-to-instagram If Lawrie keeps this up, he's likely to spend considerable time on the DL. Sanchez may see more playing time than we think. Look, I'm very impressed, but that kind of workout is very dangerous. He's jumping toward a hard wall, on a very flimsy stack, and from a hard floor. He really should have some spotters close by, at the very least. Too much being made of nothing. Alot of players have intense workouts, just that most of them don't post it up on social media. Weight training has caused more injuries than one could shake a stick at and yet players still weight train. Injuries happen, just ask Chris Sale's foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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