caulfield12 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Cleveland is out because Brantley is coming back earlier than expected...that's all. And comparing ourselves with the Indians/Twins on spending and "feeling better" would be more palatable if the Tigers and Royals hadn't each spent $200-300 million in new money since October. Edited March 3, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 04:55 PM) Cleveland is out because Brantley is coming back earlier than expected...that's all. Indians have multiple question marks OFwise though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) Indians have multiple question marks OFwise though Yeah, losing Almonte hurts...and Rajai Davis will be merely adequate. They have two huge holes just like the White Sox have, except in the outfield and 3b. But having Lindor, Kipnis and Gomes up the middle...arguably the three best at those positions in the Central unless you want to argue Sal Perez...certainly helps. They also picked up Napoli and Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 06:12 PM) Yeah, losing Almonte hurts...and Rajai Davis will be merely adequate. They have two huge holes just like the White Sox have, except in the outfield and 3b. But having Lindor, Kipnis and Gomes up the middle...arguably the three best at those positions in the Central unless you want to argue Sal Perez...certainly helps. They also picked up Napoli and Uribe. But they both are 50 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 04:55 PM) Cleveland is out because Brantley is coming back earlier than expected...that's all. And comparing ourselves with the Indians/Twins on spending and "feeling better" would be more palatable if the Tigers and Royals hadn't each spent $200-300 million in new money since October. Nobody said anything about comparing or feeling better. Just noting that as bad as some Sox fans feel about Sox attendance and spending, it's even worse for Cleveland fans. As a baseball fan, I feel for them. Their highest payed player makes just over 8M. The point is that Cleveland is a competitor as is and if they had more money to spend ( payroll at 90M due to being 29th in attendance in '15) , they could potentially be even more dangerous. If they had the money this winter, they could have been looking to sign one of the top FA outfielders instead of signing a guy like Davis. Also, just because the Tigers and Royals spent alot of money doesn't guarantee them winning the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Watch Tigers sign him now. I really don't know what Hahn is waiting for. Edited March 4, 2016 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) Watch Tigers sign him now. I really don't know what Hahn is waiting for. Was literally thinking the same thing. That would be such a typical Tigers move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) Nobody said anything about comparing or feeling better. Just noting that as bad as some Sox fans feel about Sox attendance and spending, it's even worse for Cleveland fans. As a baseball fan, I feel for them. Their highest payed player makes just over 8M. The point is that Cleveland is a competitor as is and if they had more money to spend ( payroll at 90M due to being 29th in attendance in '15) , they could potentially be even more dangerous. If they had the money this winter, they could have been looking to sign one of the top FA outfielders instead of signing a guy like Davis. Also, just because the Tigers and Royals spent alot of money doesn't guarantee them winning the division. Well, in fairness, they had the longest streak of consecutive sellouts in the early to mid 90's at Jacobs Field of any MLB team in history (maybe the Red Sox beat it since?)...but those fans have had to go through two quite dramatic teardowns, one beginning in 2001-02 and then the other after 2007. If there is one fanbase who has suffered the most at the hands of ownership, other than the Marlins, it's pretty hard to think of one. TB and Oakland, there's not so much that can be done about those stadium situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosoxgo2005 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 07:04 PM) Well, in fairness, they had the longest streak of consecutive sellouts in the early to mid 90's at Jacobs Field of any MLB team in history (maybe the Red Sox beat it since?)...but those fans have had to go through two quite dramatic teardowns, one beginning in 2001-02 and then the other after 2007. If there is one fanbase who has suffered the most at the hands of ownership, other than the Marlins, it's pretty hard to think of one. TB and Oakland, there's not so much that can be done about those stadium situations. The worst owners in all of sports might be the Wilpons. It's unbelievable how much Mets fans hate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) Watch Tigers sign him now. I really don't know what Hahn is waiting for. Which would be worse, the Cubs signing Zobrist (who can also play RF/LF), Heyward, Fowler AND bringing back Jackson as well...or the Tigers/Indians signing him? Not sure which would be more annoying, obviously he would have more impact on the Sox playing for a division rival, but geez, can we win ONE bidding war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (gosoxgo2005 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) The worst owners in all of sports might be the Wilpons. It's unbelievable how much Mets fans hate them. Yeah, forgot about the whole Wilpon fiasco with Madoff and the lack of excitement about the new stadium, compared to many others. Then again, with that young core of pitching and bringing back Cespedes, it would be hard to be TOO upset, and they are in the biggest market in baseball. If I was on the fence, bringing back Yoenis would be at least one positive sign. The next big question will be how they handle the decision to trade or re-sign Harvey. It's also hard to blame the ownership for what happened to David Wright's career. For worst, it's hard to top Daniel Snyder...although the Browns are doing a good job. 76ers? Loria? Donald Sterling with the Clippers was always at the top of the list before he was ousted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) Watch Tigers sign him now. I really don't know what Hahn is waiting for. They like Garcia...they'll pay for that during the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 4, 2016 -> 03:40 AM) They like Garcia...they'll pay for that during the season Hopefully his swing improves as ST goes on. Looked as bad as ever today. This offense on paper still has too many potential holes with no back-up plan. Edited March 4, 2016 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) Hopefully his swing improves as ST goes on. Looked as bad as ever today. I doubt it will..and it if does it'll have to improve substantially to overcome his god awful defense. He has a ton of work to do to turn into a positive WAR player. Edited March 4, 2016 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 11:57 AM) Wow, Cleveland is hurting. The rest of the ALC is lucky that Indians fans aren't going to ball games (29th in attendance in 2015) or Cleveland would have an even better team than they currently do. And I though things were bad for the Sox... More like because they play in Cleveland and have a weak TV deal. It's not a gate driven league anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 07:04 PM) Well, in fairness, they had the longest streak of consecutive sellouts in the early to mid 90's at Jacobs Field of any MLB team in history (maybe the Red Sox beat it since?)...but those fans have had to go through two quite dramatic teardowns, one beginning in 2001-02 and then the other after 2007. If there is one fanbase who has suffered the most at the hands of ownership, other than the Marlins, it's pretty hard to think of one. TB and Oakland, there's not so much that can be done about those stadium situations. I see what you mean. Kind of the chicken and the egg. They need more attendance to boost revenue but their FO needs to spend more wisely too. I laughed pretty hard at Cleveland when they went for t by signing Swisher and Bourn to those contracts before the '13 season. Those two players are still Haunting the Cleveland FO today and are paying Atlanta 10M to go towards those players '16 salaries. Those two signings literally blew up in Cleveland's face from the get go. The total money wasted on those to combined with the Davis signing could have netted them one of the top outfield fre agents and made that Cleveland team pretty dangerous. Agree on the Marlins, A's and Rays. The Marlins especially, I don't know how or why they still have a fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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