aboz56 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Don't know if anyone else saw this or not, but they were discussing AL MVP on Around the Horn and both Woody Paige and Mariotti picked Keith Foulke as their AL MVP. Not that I agree with them, but if you look at Foulke's numbers, it'll kinda make you sick as a Sox fan. I believe he has 8 wins, 43 saves, a whip of .88 and opponents are hitting under .200 against him. Unreal. Kudos to Keith for a great season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 And anti-kudos to KW for making Foulke feel like he wasn't wanted here at all.... :fyou K-Dub!!! Foulke shoulda still been here wearing good ole number 29...that still sickens me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Foulke failed last year as the closer, plain and simple. He was too expensive to keep around as a set-up man. It appeared to me that he was too wrapped up in his desire to be in the starting rotation. I'm sorry the trade didn't work out better, but I was happy to see him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 If Keith Foulke is the MVP of the American League, then Madonna is the leading candidate to be the next Pope. that's absurd. Is this the same Foulke who went to Manuel last season and asked to be replaced as the closer because he lost his confidence? And the same Foulke who gave it up in Game One of the 2000 Division Playoffs against Seattle? And the same one who let Giambi hit one 900 feet in a critical game with the Yankees last season? Just asking. He's had a good year. But he's hardly the MVP -- of the As, even. Gimme Hudson or Chavez any time. He's in his walk year, which means somebody (like the Cubs) will greatly overpay for him for 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 I also didnt want him around this year. I belive it was a Yankee game last year, where we were winning 4-1 in the ninith, and Foluke blew up. I was there, and just lost faith in him. Do i wish he was here now with those numbers, hell yes, but at the time he needed to go. He gave up a ding-dong to Giambi in the ninth to blow it. I felt at the time and still do that that game was the turning point of the season. It killed the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Ok, whatever guys....fact is, look at his numbers after the all-star break in 2002: G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA Pre All Star 36 0 1 4 9 0 0 41.0 40 22 22 5 10 31 4.83 1.22 .253 Post All-Star 29 0 1 0 2 0 0 36.2 25 4 3 2 3 27 0.74 0.76 .191 He should still be here, as the closer, plain and simple. Damn, Sox fans have such selective memories, only remembering the few times players don't get it done, instead of the overwhelming amount of times that they did get it done. In his time as a White Sox player, Keith had 100 saves, 425 K's in 446 IP, and a 2.87 ERA. Yeah, I can see all of you guys points clearly, he wasn't needed here at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 16, 2003 Author Share Posted September 16, 2003 I disagree that he is the AL MVP, but plain and simple, he's better than any option we have in the bullpen right now, by far. He may also be the best closer in baseball this season besides Gagne and Smoltz. Of course he's blown up a few times (what closer hasn't, including Rivera in game 7 of the World Series) but wasn't it Jerry Manuel who last season removed Foulke from the closer's role (at Foulke's request) and then never inserted him back into the role after Foulke was dominant the second half of the season. In fact, I remember some Sox fans cringing when Foulke was given the chance to pick up a save (which he did) in a game late in the season last year against Minnesota. Instead of using that as a building block for Foulke, JM fell in love with Osuna and Marte. The guy's good, like him or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 A closer as MVP? That is like voting liberatian for President Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 he's a good pitcher. he's not the MVP. He's not the Cy Young He's probably Fireman of the Year. But he didn't want to be here. he'll get his chance to show how good he really is in October. He wasn't so hot in October the last time around as I remember: 2 games 2.1 innings 4 hits 2 walks 2 Home runs 3 runs all earned 11.57 and one loss -- a critical GAme One loss, I might add Frankly, I'll take Damaso show me, Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 he's a good pitcher. he's not the MVP. He's not the Cy Young He's probably Fireman of the Year. But he didn't want to be here. he'll get his chance to show how good he really is in October. He wasn't so hot in October the last time around as I remember: 2 games 2.1 innings 4 hits 2 walks 2 Home runs 3 runs all earned 11.57 and one loss -- a critical GAme One loss, I might add Frankly, I'll take Damaso show me, Keith Thing is, WU83, he didnt want to be here BECAUSE OF HOW HE WAS TREATED. And that blame goes squarely on KW. Cameo Williams wanted his own man in here, and didn't care for Foulke at all, no matter what his numbers were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 don't want to argue more important to beat the Twins foulke is gone marte and Gordon are our guys life goes on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmarte Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 A closer as MVP? That is like voting liberatian for President What's wrong with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDYTHECLOWN Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Foulke has the best bullpen numbers of anyone in baseball the last 4 years, except for Rivera. He had a bad half of the year, and corrected his release poiunt, and had an era under 3 for the season. If the numbers tell us he is one of the best, why woulsnt you want him here? By the way, except for Rivera, there arent too many closers who have succeeded without failure in the postseason. Foulke pitched a scoreless 9th in game one of 2000. If we get the run in the ninth, he gets the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Foulke has the best bullpen numbers of anyone in baseball the last 4 years, except for Rivera. He had a bad half of the year, and corrected his release poiunt, and had an era under 3 for the season. If the numbers tell us he is one of the best, why woulsnt you want him here? By the way, except for Rivera, there arent too many closers who have succeeded without failure in the postseason. Foulke pitched a scoreless 9th in game one of 2000. If we get the run in the ninth, he gets the win. not to mention he wouldnt have cost us much more than what botch does now...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 that's why despite some good moves, KW must go as well as JM if we don't win the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 I'm sorry the trade didn't work out better, but I was happy to see him go. I'm always happy to see a goof GM trade one of the most reliable AL closers for a dead arm "power" closer..... especially when said pitcher got his s*** together after a rough first half and had an ERA under 1 for the second half. Let's remember too that JM..... and MOSTLY KW..... didn't allow Foulke to blow too many saves last season cause KF was one of the only ones who would stand up to KW and his buffet table flipping antics. KW saw his chance to "demote" KF after a few rough outings and he took it. f*** KW for letting his personal feelings dictate the direction he'd take for the team. And f*** JM for allowing KW to do that. Too bad neither did the same thing when Botch was getting hit like he was a f***ing T-Ball stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 I'm always happy to see a goof GM trade one of the most reliable AL closers for a dead arm "power" closer..... especially when said pitcher got his s*** together after a rough first half and had an ERA under 1 for the second half. Let's remember too that JM..... and MOSTLY KW..... didn't allow Foulke to blow too many saves last season cause KF was one of the only ones who would stand up to KW and his buffet table flipping antics. KW saw his chance to "demote" KF after a few rough outings and he took it. f*** KW for letting his personal feelings dictate the direction he'd take for the team. And f*** JM for allowing KW to do that. Too bad neither did the same thing when Botch was getting hit like he was a f***ing T-Ball stand killa always the voice of reason... thanks...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Careful...the voice of reason doesn't always go over so well here!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Jim Mecir gave up the game-winner to the Angels last night. Originally, I thought the A's got "Foulked!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 What's wrong with that? It is a waste of a vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Jim Mecir gave up the game-winner to the Angels last night. Originally, I thought the A's got "Foulked!" Nope. We got butt-Foulked by KW (like always) with his personal trade for Botch. But he's an aggressive GM trading for more offense when, it should be clear after 2002, that offense isn't going to win you any Championships. Maybe it'll get through his thick melon when the White Sox don't make the postseason this year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmarte Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 It is a waste of a vote Not any more than voting any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Jim Mecir gave up the game-winner to the Angels last night. Originally, I thought the A's got "Foulked!" Nope. We got butt-Foulked by KW (like always) with his personal trade for Botch. But he's an aggressive GM trading for more offense when, it should be clear after 2002, that offense isn't going to win you any Championships. Maybe it'll get through his thick melon when the White Sox don't make the postseason this year either. That's funny. I thought the Sox had arguably the best top 4 in the rotation in the league. Half of them were added by KW just this past off season. Then everyone has said over and over again that the Sox have a very strong bullpen, mainly because of Flash Gordon and the addition of Scott Sullivan. It appears the main reason the Sox might lose is because of a lack of offense, but you rag on KW for trying to add more offense??? Strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 It appears the main reason the Sox might lose is because of a lack of offense, but you rag on KW for trying to add more offense??? Strange. You see it as lack of offense. I see it as KW doing his Gm'ing duties half-assed and not trading for a reliable 5th starter. The Sox were 1-3 in games Cotts started..... in August. Danny Wrong is 1-7 (?) on the season..... although the Sox did win a few games (one Cubs game for example) that Wrong started although he didn't get the win. That's 10 losses out of 12 games by record right there started by the 5th starter spot. And what was Stewart? I know he won one and lost one to Detroit. I can't recall that far back in the season but what was his record when he was sent down to the minors? I'm willing to bet it was atleast a game under .500. Fact of the matter is, the 5th spot was a problem all season long that KW failed to address and now it's coming back to bite us. He did make sure though to trade for more offense when a player we had at one of the traded for positions was starting to get hot (Everett/Rowand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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