greg775 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Folks, I know many despise me and/or think I'm an alarmist/nutjob, but this must be discussed and processed by all. The United States of America, the greatest country ever, knowingly has poisoned and (likely ruined lives) of hordes of people in Flint, Michigan, by knowingly drawing its water (since April of 2014) from a disgustingly polluted body of water. To save a few bucks, the government went from the beautiful water of the Great Lakes to some disgusting body of water and as a result babies have been poisoned, anybody dumb enough to drink the yellow water all these months has been poisoned. Heads must roll; people MUST be fired fast and furious and punished to the full extent of the law. Folks, this could be your town, city or municipality. Good clean water knowingly denied citizens of the USA to save a few bucks. We hear story after story in modern America that inflames and disgusts, but this truly I believe is the worst of all. Government officialls killing the people of Flint Michigan slowly and softly with disgusting water. I AM FURIOUS over this. The question is, are you? This is the human condition, the human spirit, the USA at stake here! The governor first must be fired, then fast and furious, fire everybody and prosecute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 for once greg, i completely agree with what you have said. This is an absolute travesty and not only do people need to be fired, they need to be arrested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Not quite as visible as Flint, but Im sure the southside folk are familiar with what happened in Ceestwood: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conta...twood,_Illinois Different set of circumstances but same corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 For those who want to be educated more. Disgusting. Makes me so mad at people. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/flint...risis.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) Not quite as visible as Flint, but Im sure the southside folk are familiar with what happened in Ceestwood: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conta...twood,_Illinois Different set of circumstances but same corruption. Wow. This reminds me of A Civil Action. Seems like dry cleaners are a common culprit for polluting groundwater supplies. This same thing occurred in one of the older neighborhoods of Las Vegas...and it seems to be getting swept under the same rug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 So why the difference in local/national reaction between this and Crestwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I only know the story because of Michael Moore and social media. It's Bs and Snyder needs to be prosecuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 05:46 PM) I only know the story because of Michael Moore and social media. It's Bs and Snyder needs to be prosecuted. Which is funny, because he ignores EVERYONE who had a chain in this mess up until he gets to the ONE Republican in the line, the Governor, who knew about it last and had absolutely nothing to do with its inception. The local Democrats in the town council? Ignored. The government agencies like the EPA and so on that knew about this? Nothing. But the Gov/ IMPEACH HIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) Which is funny, because he ignores EVERYONE who had a chain in this mess up until he gets to the ONE Republican in the line, the Governor, who knew about it last and had absolutely nothing to do with its inception. The local Democrats in the town council? Ignored. The government agencies like the EPA and so on that knew about this? Nothing. But the Gov/ IMPEACH HIM! IIRC wasn't it a Snyder buddy who made the switch to Flint River water in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) Which is funny, because he ignores EVERYONE who had a chain in this mess up until he gets to the ONE Republican in the line, the Governor, who knew about it last and had absolutely nothing to do with its inception. The local Democrats in the town council? Ignored. The government agencies like the EPA and so on that knew about this? Nothing. But the Gov/ IMPEACH HIM! Blame to go all around, though it's worth noting the EPA did in fact fire some people and even admitted to stunningly poor oversight and decision-making in their own agency. I have see nothing like that from the governor, or the state water commission or anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (farmteam @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) IIRC wasn't it a Snyder buddy who made the switch to Flint River water in the first place? I could be mistaken but I thought it was Synder who enacted an emergency management system and his buddy who led that was the one who decided to switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) Which is funny, because he ignores EVERYONE who had a chain in this mess up until he gets to the ONE Republican in the line, the Governor, who knew about it last and had absolutely nothing to do with its inception. The local Democrats in the town council? Ignored. The government agencies like the EPA and so on that knew about this? Nothing. But the Gov/ IMPEACH HIM! i mean who cares what political party they are affiliated with. Fire them all and arrest them all. Why even draw the line and start pointing fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 09:40 AM) i mean who cares what political party they are affiliated with. Fire them all and arrest them all. Why even draw the line and start pointing fingers Yep. It's always some partisan finger pointing with some people. Most people shouldn't care about an R and D; just competency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 10:12 AM) Yep. It's always some partisan finger pointing with some people. Most people shouldn't care about an R and D; just competency. I will agree with fire them all and spread that blame. Once it actually starts happening to both sides. i would just like to know how ANY of those people can sleep at night. The EPA who knew the water was screwed but did nothing, whoever decided the switch was good to begin with, whoever kept telling the complaining people that there was nothing wrong. I mean, i get that you need a job, but to lie to people'sfaces about something that could be killing them? How do they sleep at night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) I will agree with fire them all and spread that blame. Once it actually starts happening to both sides. i would just like to know how ANY of those people can sleep at night. The EPA who knew the water was screwed but did nothing, whoever decided the switch was good to begin with, whoever kept telling the complaining people that there was nothing wrong. I mean, i get that you need a job, but to lie to people'sfaces about something that could be killing them? How do they sleep at night? BRING IT DOWN ON THE WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-w...risis-michigan/ What went wrong in Flint, excellent and detailed article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (farmteam @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) IIRC wasn't it a Snyder buddy who made the switch to Flint River water in the first place? Snyder had appointed an Emergency Manager to run Flint. Voters in Michigan had repealed the previous Emergency Manager law, but Snyder and the Republican legislature passed a repeal-proof version of the bill almost immediately after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the...0dc6_story.html Milbank/Wash Post rip into Snyder... https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/26/liberals...ity-poisoned-th Counter response is humorous, at best Edited January 27, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So, without minimizing how heartless the decisions were in Flint, just to point out the headline is incorrect. Compared to the worst case of lead poisoning in U.S. history, the case in Flint is tiny. For half a century, oil companies pumped out lead in amounts that make the flint poisoning seem puny, literally poisoning an entire generation. A couple decades ago, almost every kid in the country, particularly in poor or urban areas, was exposed to more lead than is in Flint's water. By a lot. This includes me, and probably everyone reading this. And it took 2 decades of fighting (led by a scientist named Clair Patterson) and the establishment of the EPA before the government stopped listening to the people from industry denying that lead poisoning from leaded gasoline was a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So, without minimizing how heartless the decisions were in Flint, just to point out the headline is incorrect. Compared to the worst case of lead poisoning in U.S. history, the case in Flint is tiny. For half a century, oil companies pumped out lead in amounts that make the flint poisoning seem puny, literally poisoning an entire generation. A couple decades ago, almost every kid in the country, particularly in poor or urban areas, was exposed to more lead than is in Flint's water. By a lot. This includes me, and probably everyone reading this. And it took 2 decades of fighting (led by a scientist named Clair Patterson) and the establishment of the EPA before the government stopped listening to the people from industry denying that lead poisoning from leaded gasoline was a problem. I think of it more along the lines of "worst" morally rather than "worst" scientifically. Like you said, back then most people didn't know better. I know you're a scientist but I'm just reminding you that "worst" can have other contexts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 2, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) I think of it more along the lines of "worst" morally rather than "worst" scientifically. Like you said, back then most people didn't know better. I know you're a scientist but I'm just reminding you that "worst" can have other contexts. They absolutely knew better, they just paid enough politicians and people to deny it. It was literally killing people in the 1920s and it took until the 1980s to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 2, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) They absolutely knew better, they just paid enough politicians and people to deny it. It was literally killing people in the 1920s and it took until the 1980s to get rid of it. And there's pretty strong correlation to the crime waves of the 70's and 80's. So much unnecessary human suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 lol worthy http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/mich...bills/79753564/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Feb 4, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) lol worthy http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/mich...bills/79753564/ Oh yea, Michigan taxpayers totally have the money for that. It is a rich state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 4, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) Oh yea, Michigan taxpayers totally have the money for that. It is a rich state How is this clown still governing? Michigan needs to take a page out of Illinois' book and indict this motherf***er and anyone else associated with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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