fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) Which may well mean if a guy like Fowler is signed, that Garcia ends up in the minors Daryl Van Schouwen wrote today that the belief is Fowler is out of the Sox price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) “We’re looking for any way to get better,” Hahn said, when asked if he liked to add another outfielder. “The final couple spots on the roster will come down to a combination of platoon advantage, speed, defense and positional flexibility.” http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/brett-...-series-caliber I have a feeling Will Venable is the most likely fit. He fits 2 of those categories. The other 2 definitely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Interesting comment from Cafardo's Sunday article: 4. Don’t be shocked if the Dodgers part ways with Carl Crawford and eat the remaining $42 million on his contract. There comes a point of diminishing returns — and a time to fill his roster spot with a younger, more productive player — and it seems the Dodgers are getting closer to that point. http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/02/...SBUL/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen wrote today that the belief is Fowler is out of the Sox price range. It's just hard for me to believe that Fowler at 2-3 years & $12M per is out of their price range but Cespedes & Gordon at a much higher rate wasn't. That's the type of thing that frustrates me, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:21 PM) Interesting comment from Cafardo's Sunday article: 4. Don’t be shocked if the Dodgers part ways with Carl Crawford and eat the remaining $42 million on his contract. There comes a point of diminishing returns — and a time to fill his roster spot with a younger, more productive player — and it seems the Dodgers are getting closer to that point. http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/02/...SBUL/story.html I'd certainly take him over Avi if the Dodgers ate his entire contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 10:18 PM) He fits 2 of those categories. The other 2 definitely not. is his defense that bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) I'd certainly take him over Avi if the Dodgers ate his entire contract. You'd still need Avi. The guy hasn't played in more than 130 games since 2010. He hasn't played in more than 116 since 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) is his defense that bad? It sucks Austin Jackson fits the best. Venable wasnt even a positive on offense. Edited February 22, 2016 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 10:22 PM) It's just hard for me to believe that Fowler at 2-3 years & $12M per is out of their price range but Cespedes & Gordon at a much higher rate wasn't. That's the type of thing that frustrates me, honestly. Again, might have been special circumstances for "star" players or the Sox backloading those contracts like crazy. We still have not heard a single confirmation that a legitimate offer was made to those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 10:24 PM) It sucks yes Based off of what stats? Just wondering what you're looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) Based off of what stats? Just wondering what you're looking at. Defensive runs saved he actually was a minus in each position in the outfield. Awful in RF. Serviceable in LF. God Awful in CF. The best part is he had almost no assists in the outfield. Edited February 22, 2016 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Again, might have been special circumstances for "star" players or the Sox backloading those contracts like crazy. We still have not heard a single confirmation that a legitimate offer was made to those guys. I guess I'm just confused to why Fowler is valued as "worth it". Going rate for 1 WAR is what $7M? Fowler averages 2 WAR+ each year, so to me that seems like a very nice value. Just confusing, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) I guess I'm just confused to why Fowler is valued as "worth it". Going rate for 1 WAR is what $7M? Fowler averages 2 WAR+ each year, so to me that seems like a very nice value. Just confusing, I guess. Cause he sucks on defense and would cost them a draft pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) Defensive runs saved he actually was a minus in each position in the outfield. Awful in RF. Serviceable in LF. God Awful in CF. The best part is he had almost no assists in the outfield. Good stuff, thanks. Don't get me wrong, I want someone way better than Venable. Just seems based off of the description given by Hahn that it won't be a full-time starter that they go after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) You'd still need Avi. The guy hasn't played in more than 130 games since 2010. He hasn't played in more than 116 since 2011. That's what Shuck and Sands are for. A Melky/Eaton/Crawford outfield with Shuck as the 4th outfielder and Sands as the 5th outfielder/platoon DH with LaRoche would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) Good stuff, thanks. Don't get me wrong, I want someone way better than Venable. Just seems based off of the description given by Hahn that it won't be a full-time starter that they go after. Hopefully they come to some agreement with Jackson. He's the best fit. Defensively it would be a huge plus. We would save basically 11 runs by replacing Garcia with him. That could be a couple games worth of runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:31 PM) That's what Shuck and Sands are for. A Melky/Eaton/Crawford outfield with Shuck as the 4th outfielder and Sands as the 5th outfielder/platoon DH with LaRoche would be nice. That outfield isn't a contending outfield. Crawford is unreliable, and holy cow would the team suck vs LHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) Hopefully they come to some agreement with Jackson. He's the best fit. Defensively it would be a huge plus. We would save basically 11 runs by replacing Garcia with him. That could be a couple games worth of runs. From the same article about Crawford, there was a blurb linking the Cubs and Rangers to Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:30 PM) Cause he sucks on defense and would cost them a draft pick He doesn't "suck" on defense. Below average? Sure. Suck? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) From the same article about Crawford, there was a blurb linking the Cubs and Rangers to Jackson. Yeah those were the two that have been linked to him for a while. Hopefully they are in discussions with him and he realizes he has a much better shot to start here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) He doesn't "suck" on defense. Below average? Sure. Suck? No. Yeah he does suck. He gave up more runs than most outfielders the past 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:35 PM) Yeah those were the two that have been linked to him for a while. Hopefully they are in discussions with him and he realizes he has a much better shot to start here. I was hoping the Rangers would sign Stubbs or Venable. Stubbs was linked to them over the weekend. It just seems with Jackson that if the Sox were interested, they would have locked him up by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:32 PM) That outfield isn't a contending outfield. Crawford is unreliable, and holy cow would the team suck vs LHP. How would it suck vs LHP? Melky is a switch hitter and is decent from the right side, Shuck has reverse splits, and Sands can rake lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) Yeah he does suck. He gave up more runs than most outfielders the past 2 years. Sometimes it better to watch with your eyes instead of relying on unreliable metrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) I was hoping the Rangers would sign Stubbs or Venable. Stubbs was linked to them over the weekend. It just seems with Jackson that if the Sox were interested, they would have locked him up by now. A Rangers writer linked them to Venable the other day. Hopefully they take him. Otherwise...as much as it pains me...I'd rather just go into the season with Garcia. Hahn will have to live with his mistake until the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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