CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 There's been a lot of speculation in the thread about what kind of money Fowler can make . Most are focusing on what other 2nd tier OF's got and the draft pick keeping his value down. I'm not so sure . Everyone seems to be ignoring the biggest factor and that is supply and demand. With so many teams sitting out the big ticket free agents it seems as if there will be many interested in Fowler.The Sox, Cubs, Rangers, Angels, Orioles, Nationals , Indians and some I might be missing. All have expressed interest in acquiring another OF. If I had to guess what Fowler would get for a 3 year deal it might be anywhere from 15-17M AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-191753654.html Big League Stew makes the case for a Fowler signing. The Sox, Cubs, Rangers, Angels, Orioles, Nationals , Indians and some I might be missing. Brewers supposedly want a stopgap for CF, but that would probably be Austin Jackson. Seems the Indians are already at the ends of their budget, so you can cross them off the list. Cardinals would be another possibility, depending on their long-range plans for Holliday and Adams. That outfield definitely has its weaknesses, especially subtracting the certainty of Heyward's defensive prowess. The Red Sox aren't sure about anyone in their outfield except for Betts. Bradley, Jr., and Castillo are huge question marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmbjeff Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-191753654.html Big League Stew makes the case for a Fowler signing. The Sox, Cubs, Rangers, Angels, Orioles, Nationals , Indians and some I might be missing. Brewers supposedly want a stopgap for CF, but that would probably be Austin Jackson. Seems the Indians are already at the ends of their budget, so you can cross them off the list. Cardinals would be another possibility, depending on their long-range plans for Holliday and Adams. That outfield definitely has its weaknesses, especially subtracting the certainty of Heyward's defensive prowess. The Red Sox aren't sure about anyone in their outfield except for Betts. Bradley, Jr., and Castillo are huge question marks. It's like someone from this site wrote that article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Sorry if this has been recently stated by others, as I haven't read the entire thread: Over the last 3 seasons, Fowler is around a .245 hitter vs. RHP. His numbers are terrific vs. lefties, but he won't face many southpaws, playing for the Sox. He does hit for more power from the left side, but he's still not really a power hitter. I don't think he is the answer, and he would cost that draft pick. The biggest offensive hole is still someone to hit between Abreu and Frazier, and Fowler isn't suited to bat in that spot. Everyone seems to agree that he would profile as a leadoff or 2 hole hitter, which is not the Sox' greatest need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 06:44 AM) Sorry if this has been recently stated by others, as I haven't read the entire thread: Over the last 3 seasons, Fowler is around a .245 hitter vs. RHP. His numbers are terrific vs. lefties, but he won't face many southpaws, playing for the Sox. He does hit for more power from the left side, but he's still not really a power hitter. I don't think he is the answer, and he would cost that draft pick. The biggest offensive hole is still someone to hit between Abreu and Frazier, and Fowler isn't suited to bat in that spot. Everyone seems to agree that he would profile as a leadoff or 2 hole hitter, which is not the Sox' greatest need. The walks/OBP have clear value, but $15 million per year and a top 30 draft pick's worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 07:01 AM) The walks/OBP have clear value, but $15 million per year and a top 30 draft pick's worth? Exactly, and please note, even his OBP has not been that good vs. RHP. Over that same last three years, it's under .350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 07:58 AM) Exactly, and please note, even his OBP has not been that good vs. RHP. Over that same last three years, it's under .350 It's .351 for his career and over .390 vs. LHP. That is an on base machine for the current White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The "answers" for the Sox in RF have all signed with other teams; Fowler is the best remaining "answer." They gotta get somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Who exactly is the Sox 2 hole hitter currently? It seems like a mighty big hole to me. Now Fowler is not great at it and is not worth the draft choice in my view. But I suspect they will do something I like even less, like clearing out the prospects not named Fulmer or Anderson for yet another proven NL veteran. As for the front office, it really should've been cleared out after last year's debacle. Just Williams getting a presidency somewhere elwould have give Hahn more freedom to make certain other adjustments. But whoever's in the front office, they are dealt a tough hand. They don't want to take the time to build the organization, but don't have the budget to get the necessary free agents. And when they trade for/ sign proven veterans, their hit rate is ridiculously low. They've got to cut down on the misses in the proven veteran category Edited January 29, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) Who exactly is the Sox 2 hole hitter currently? It seems like a mighty big hole to me. Now Fowler is not great at it and is not worth the draft choice in my view. But I suspect they will do something I like even less, like clearing out the prospects not named Fulmer or Anderson for yet another proven NL veteran. As for the front office, it really should've been cleared out after last year's debacle. Just Williams getting a presidency somewhere elwould have give Hahn more freedom to make certain other adjustments. But whoever's in the front office, they are dealt a tough hand. They don't want to take the time to build the organization, but don't have the budget to get the necessary free agents. And when they trade for/ sign proven veterans, their hit rate is ridiculously low. They've got to cut down on the misses in the proven veteran category It's hard to argue against your point. I just prefer trying to improve the clean up spot, rather than the #2 hole. It's pretty hard to be optimistic, with La Roche there, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 08:53 AM) It's hard to argue against your point. I just prefer trying to improve the clean up spot, rather than the #2 hole. It's pretty hard to be optimistic, with La Roche there, again. Wouldnt the clean up spot be Frazier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 FutureSox.com @FutureSox 28s29 seconds ago Question about Fowler: Hahn - "I think it's best I don't talk about players who aren't already in a White Sox uniform." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickJones81 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) FutureSox.com @FutureSox 28s29 seconds ago Question about Fowler: Hahn - "I think it's best I don't talk about players who aren't already in a White Sox uniform." Aren't already? I'm going to twist that in my mind to signaling that he will be soon. Let the hysteria begin, who's got the first watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Julie DiCaro seems to think that Fowler is staying with the Cubs, which also echoes a few other things that have been put out lately. Would really hurt the Sox if they miss on another FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 03:50 PM) Julie DiCaro seems to think that Fowler is staying with the Cubs, which also echoes a few other things that have been put out lately. Would really hurt the Sox if they miss on another FA. Losing out on Fowler wouldn't hurt the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) Losing out on Fowler wouldn't hurt the Sox. It's another sizable improvement that would be gone, so yes, it would hurt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) Julie DiCaro seems to think that Fowler is staying with the Cubs, which also echoes a few other things that have been put out lately. Would really hurt the Sox if they miss on another FA. She's been right on a lot this offseason with regards to the Cubs. Have a feeling this is another Zobrist situation where there is a deal in place and Theo just has to give the go ahead that the corresponding move is finalized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) It's another sizable improvement that would be gone, so yes, it would hurt them. Well, that's where we disagree. For the potential price, the minor improvement likely won't be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) Well, that's where we disagree. For the potential price, the minor improvement likely won't be worth it. Going from 2-2.5 WAR a season over negative war is a minor improvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) Going from 2-2.5 WAR a season over negative war is a minor improvement? You're assuming that Fowler will produce that WAR in RF and Garcia will not improve at all. I do think that Garcia will improve, albeit not by much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) Well, that's where we disagree. For the potential price, the minor improvement likely won't be worth it. Time to photoshop Fowler's face on the picture in your signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 This could be a situation like Cespedes and Gordon. Maybe Fowler wants to stay with the Cubs. The cubs signed Heyward/ Zobrist/ Lackey to improve a club that had made it to the NLCS in '15 so I wouldn't blame Fowler for wanting to return to a club house that absolutely loved him. What I'm saying is that this very well could be out of the Sox control regardless of what they offer. If I were Fowler, I'd choose the cubs over the Sox in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox802 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I think as it stands with the current roster (JUST MY OPINION) this is a low 80s win team, so right around 500 (81-84 wins). At first I was against Fowler big time, but at this point I kind of want them to sign him. Him and another minor piece could add a couple wins, and put them closer to a WC possibility. I just can't see another year of Sale, Abreu and co wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) She's been right on a lot this offseason with regards to the Cubs. Have a feeling this is another Zobrist situation where there is a deal in place and Theo just has to give the go ahead that the corresponding move is finalized Unless they are lining something up with the Indians or Padres, I see no fits for them to add Fowler. That Dickerson trade kinda f***ed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Interesting that Dan Hayes is now saying if the Sox add an OF that it doesn't mean Avi would be the odd man out. Just weird that he's went from all but ruling out a move to finding a place for Avi to get at bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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