southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 FutureSox.com @FutureSox 5m5 minutes ago "We want to see what Jacob Turner can do now that he's fully healthy." Re: 5th starter Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 6m6 minutes ago Turner in mix for 5th starter. No innings cap on Rodon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 wait, did he use "jacob turner" and "fully healthy" in the same sentence? ok, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickJones81 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The real question is whether or not Danks is in the competition, or if he's secure via way too big paycheck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I have no problem with Turner being in the mix and if he beats EJ for the 5th spot that's cool but my concern would be how many innings can we expect from him? His highest IP was 118 in 2013 for the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Maybe they are confident that this training staff could keep him relatively healthy, make 25 starts, and throw 150 innings. If any team could do it, it'd be the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 QUOTE (thedoctor @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 08:44 PM) wait, did he use "jacob turner" and "fully healthy" in the same sentence? ok, then. shades of all the BS that was said about Felipe Paulino and the fans back then bought it .... hook, line and sinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Where is balta? I need some company that is just as mad as me with how things are going. LOL I don't want to hear about god damn Jacob Turner. I know its soxfest and they are talking about whatever the subject matter that is brought up but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I think Turner might become a good relief pitcher but SP......probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I'm sure they do want to see what he can do, but it's hard to see him displacing John Danks and his salary. Erik Johnson is probably the most at risk to lose a starting rotation spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 12:43 AM) I'm sure they do want to see what he can do, but it's hard to see him displacing John Danks and his salary. Erik Johnson is probably the most at risk to lose a starting rotation spot. and if EJ has a relapse on forgetting on how to pitch, who is to step in ???? remember Hector Noesi and his pitching in 2015 .... and the org having high hopes the org had on him based on his 2014 performance?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) shades of all the BS that was said about Felipe Paulino and the fans back then bought it .... hook, line and sinker Turner is 24 and the former 15th overall prospect in baseball. Paulino was 30 and not a Top 100 prospect. Turner likely won't be all that hot - but the Sox are the best team to see him succeeding with thanks to Don Cooper and Herm Schneider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) Turner is 24 and the former 15th overall prospect in baseball. Paulino was 30 and not a Top 100 prospect. Turner likely won't be all that hot - but the Sox are the best team to see him succeeding with thanks to Don Cooper and Herm Schneider. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 04:10 AM) Turner is 24 and the former 15th overall prospect in baseball. Paulino was 30 and not a Top 100 prospect. Turner likely won't be all that hot - but the Sox are the best team to see him succeeding with thanks to Don Cooper and Herm Schneider. and i remember all the hype on Paulino going into the season. including the 1.7 mil on his salary.... so with all that stat you provided, what does this prove...... nothing, there is still a possibility of turner now getting fix or maybe not . now for others who wish to add anything else, let me further explain, what i am talking about is adding another sp to the mix, for an insurance policy. Edited January 30, 2016 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 09:31 PM) and i remember all the hype on Paulino going into the season. including the 1.7 mil on his salary.... so with all that stat you provided, what does this prove...... nothing, there is still a possibility of turner now getting fix . now for others who wish to add anything else, let me further explain, what i am talking about is adding another sp to the mix, for an insurance policy. Since Q actually posted the differences, what do you actually have that makes them similar, other than their salary apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 04:41 AM) Since Q actually posted the differences, what do you actually have that makes them similar, other than their salary apparently. and of course.... you always add great insight into everything. i am done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Paulino averaged roughly a 1.5 war between 2011-12. Turner had one decent season in 2013 with Miami, his war was 1.4. Thry're both -1 to -2 war cumulative for their careers. Paulino's still getting opportunities because he has a live arm and might be able to help someone out of the pen this year. If they could get one Phil Humber season from either, pretty miraculous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) FutureSox.com @FutureSox 5m5 minutes ago "We want to see what Jacob Turner can do now that he's fully healthy." Re: 5th starter Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 6m6 minutes ago Turner in mix for 5th starter. No innings cap on Rodon What about Turner makes the Sox think he's a ML pitcher? High ERA, High WHIP, low K rate. Coop has another "fix 'em" project in Kahnle for this bullpen, a player we traded a promising young A Ball pitcher for. Cooper has been presented with several of these hard throwers that lack control over the past few years, with less than exemplary results. It would be nice for this one to work out, as it wasn't a complete scrap heap pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 There's really nothing wrong with giving him a shot in spring training. It's not like they've guaranteed him a spot in the rotation. Everyone take a step back from the ledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) There's really nothing wrong with giving him a shot in spring training. It's not like they've guaranteed him a spot in the rotation. Everyone take a step back from the ledge. and you have a point, i too have no problem for a shot, but not at the expense of getting a SP of note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 FutureSox.com @FutureSox 14m14 minutes ago Hahn asked about rotation depth and talks about Jacob Turner who is fully recovered and Chris Beck who's going to camp without restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Neither Turner nor Beck have anywhere near the credentials of E Johnson. They need to develop depth, but it also appears they don't trust Johnson (and he's not a Cooper guy). Maybe he's the one they should trade for a young OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) Neither Turner nor Beck have anywhere near the credentials of E Johnson. They need to develop depth, but it also appears they don't trust Johnson (and he's not a Cooper guy). Maybe he's the one they should trade for a young OF. Im not sure you understand the concept of depth. Turner and Beck are there for when someone in the rotation has issues. They need at leasr 6-7 starters throughout the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) Neither Turner nor Beck have anywhere near the credentials of E Johnson. They need to develop depth, but it also appears they don't trust Johnson (and he's not a Cooper guy). Maybe he's the one they should trade for a young OF. Eric Johnson has credentials? Jacob Turner was the 9th overall pick of the 09 draft, so apparently he was seen as someone with a lot of promise. Both players came to the majors and s*** the bed. Not really sure why you think Johnson is so much better of a prospect. Turner at least had a decent 20 starts a few years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 05:57 PM) Neither Turner nor Beck have anywhere near the credentials of E Johnson. They need to develop depth, but it also appears they don't trust Johnson (and he's not a Cooper guy). Maybe he's the one they should trade for a young OF. turner, beck, ej, will do great for depth, the sox need to add a SP who needs to redevelop his value. then have the other 3 provide depth and if injury, can start. too bad on the sox not able to carry one of them as an extra.... it all depends on the full roster. 11 pitchers going north? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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