Hahn denies "3 year limit" on offers

[southsider2k5]

Scot Gregor ‏@scotgregor now

Citing Abreu's 6-year deal and 4 years for Robertson, Hahn denies #WhiteSox were only willing to go 3 for Gordon, Cespedes or Upton

[BlackSox13]

Scot Gregor ‏@scotgregor now

Citing Abreu's 6-year deal and 4 years for Robertson, Hahn denies #WhiteSox were only willing to go 3 for Gordon, Cespedes or Upton

Oh no! Now you've done it.

 

Cue meltdown in 3.......2........1….......

 

 

Fwiw. I do believe Hahn.

[Chicago White Sox]

Glad this was addressed right away.

[Dick Allen]

It was on the internet they would only go 3 years, so Hahn has to be lying.

[BlackSox13]

It was on the internet they would only go 3 years, so Hahn has to be lying.

Not just the internet, more specifically, twitter , where all rumors become reality. It won't be long before the rumor mill becomes the twitter mill. Much like Bill and Ted brought peace and harmony throughout the galaxy with their s***ty guitar playing.

[OmarComing25]

I never believed it from the beginning. It never made any sense, and as Hahn pointed out it's not like the White Sox have a history of reluctance to go longer than 3 years.

[fathom]

Not just the internet, more specifically, twitter , where all rumors become reality. It won't be long before the rumor mill becomes the twitter mill. Much like Bill and Ted brought peace and harmony throughout the galaxy with their s***ty guitar playing.

 

When KW mouthpiece Bob Nightengale reports it though, it is a little more believable. I do believe they were only willing to do a 3 year base deal with any of these particular guys.

[BlackSox13]

When KW mouthpiece Bob Nightengale reports it though, it is a little more believable. I do believe they were only willing to do a 3 year base deal with any of these particular guys.

I believed it with Gordon due to Gordon's age and if that's the case I would agree with the 3 years stance. Cespedes and Upton I think the Sox were willing to go 4 years.

[Dunt]

So they are going 5 on Fowler?

[LDF]

When KW mouthpiece Bob Nightengale reports it though, it is a little more believable. I do believe they were only willing to do a 3 year base deal with any of these particular guys.

 

if the sox never thought of a 3 yr deal with cespy.... then the sox where never in the any discussion, serious discussion with cespy agent in coming to chi.

 

there was never any chatter of the sox and any of cespy people.

[elrockinMT]

So they are going 5 on Fowler?

 

 

I don't think we need Fowler at the expense of a draft pick. Now that might change if the team moved Laroche and Cabrera goes to DH and relief OF. But, I am not sure I am ready to just sign off on Laroche either. Maybe the big three didn't come to the Sox because they wanted to stay where they wee at least in the case of Cespedes and Gordon

[elrockinMT]

if the sox never thought of a 3 yr deal with cespy.... then the sox where never in the any discussion, serious discussion with cespy agent in coming to chi.

 

there was never any chatter of the sox and any of cespy people.

 

 

I had no problem with the Sox not paying the exorbitant salary demands. Cespedes seemed to want to stay with the Mets anyway. If we have money to spend let's see who is still out there as we move closer to ST and maybe pick up a couple solid players albeit not the spectacular splash some want with one big name

[LDF]

I had no problem with the Sox not paying the exorbitant salary demands. Cespedes seemed to want to stay with the Mets anyway. If we have money to spend let's see who is still out there as we move closer to ST and maybe pick up a couple solid players albeit not the spectacular splash some want with one big name

 

so in essence getting a what, a 5 tier fa of'er to man the position. get maybe a reclamation project to see if that player can get to what once a promising career, in other words go cheap..... i really had a lot of that since the JR group purchase the team....

[bmags]

I just don't agree with the" couldn't have done anything! Gordon/Cespy wanted to stay mets!" as if they signed some 3 year 36 million dollar deal. Does anyone feel they were underpaid? They took the contract that set them up best, or in Gordons case, they likely took a close enough to stay home.

[BlackSox13]

I had no problem with the Sox not paying the exorbitant salary demands. Cespedes seemed to want to stay with the Mets anyway. If we have money to spend let's see who is still out there as we move closer to ST and maybe pick up a couple solid players albeit not the spectacular splash some want with one big name

Absolutely agreed. Cespedes asking price and desire to stay in NY never made much sense for the Sox and yet fans want to blame the front office for not signing Cespedes. It's the fans fault for assuming the Sox would sign Cespedes, not the FO.

[Eminor3rd]

Absolutely agreed. Cespedes asking price and desire to stay in NY never made much sense for the Sox and yet fans want to blame the front office for not signing Cespedes. It's the fans fault for assuming the Sox would sign Cespedes, not the FO.

 

It's not about Cespedes -- it's about getting a RF when the market was flush with RF options and their prices were low. They need to get ONE of them, and they've whiffed on them all so far.

[LDF]

Absolutely agreed. Cespedes asking price and desire to stay in NY never made much sense for the Sox and yet fans want to blame the front office for not signing Cespedes. It's the fans fault for assuming the Sox would sign Cespedes, not the FO.

 

ok, for me, this was a done topic in some ways, but when Hahn came out and said that 3 yr deal and all that, that mean all the rumor chatter of last week and hopes of the sox being in the running..... that mean they were never in the running. esp if the sox never intended to propose a contract of a 3 - yr deal or a contract of longer yrs.

 

all along the sox stuck to their internal agreement of what they were going to do. in other words, no OF'er, no additional moves.... they are done improving the team.

 

do not get fixated on the salary demands of the contract.... but look at the whole thing.

[Hatchetman]

When the FO went "all in" the fans assumed they would go "all in" and find a good outfielder.

[LDF]

When the FO went "all in" the fans assumed they would go "all in" and find a good outfielder.

 

that is the fans fault and i am including me as that group. i was the owners biggest supporters here, 10+ yrs ago, but all the BS they kept on shoveling and we the fans kept on buying it.... i guess with my age, i am sour on that experience.

 

the sox FO said they are all in..... looking back, what a bunch of Shiite and we swallowed it.

 

edit..... when i say we... i am putting myself front and center. pass the mustard.

Edited January 29, 2016 by LDF

[2nd_city_saint787]

It's not about Cespedes -- it's about getting a RF when the market was flush with RF options and their prices were low. They need to get ONE of them, and they've whiffed on them all so far.

 

I'm sure this has been said a million times, but I've been trying to avoid the talks knowing the talk wouldn't be fun, so I'll add to the times it's been said.......It appears to me they keyed in on Cespedes and let the rest of the market pass them. It sucks, but if true, there's nothing you can do.

[shipps]

Wasnt Merkin saying that they were only going to offer 3 years? He is a mouthpiece of the org. Why wouldn't they have put that information out there through him before where it could have been addressed with the fan base while it was all going down.

 

Whatever. So annoyed.

[BlackSox13]

It's not about Cespedes -- it's about getting a RF when the market was flush with RF options and their prices were low. They need to get ONE of them, and they've whiffed on them all so far.

Cespedes wanted to stay in NY, Gordon wanted to stay in KC, Heyward turned down more money to sign with a team that had made it to the NLCS and it was rumored that Upton didn't want to play for the Sox. As far as I can tell, the Sox never had a chance with any of them. Why would a player be willing to sign while the prices were low? Doesn't sound very motivating to a FA player. Judging by the money spent and the contracts signed, I doubt the prices were ever low in the first place.

 

ok, for me, this was a done topic in some ways, but when Hahn came out and said that 3 yr deal and all that, that mean all the rumor chatter of last week and hopes of the sox being in the running..... that mean they were never in the running. esp if the sox never intended to propose a contract of a 3 - yr deal or a contract of longer yrs.

 

all along the sox stuck to their internal agreement of what they were going to do. in other words, no OF'er, no additional moves.... they are done improving the team.

 

do not get fixated on the salary demands of the contract.... but look at the whole thing.

Hahn never came out and said the Sox were only willing to go three years, that was the media. Hahn said all along that the Sox would have to get creative to be able to sign a FA and that's why we heard rumors early in the off season about LaRoche being on the market.

 

It's not like the Sox have never signed players to longer than three years so I don't understand why fans cannot get past that media rumor. Hahn came out today and confirmed the Sox were willing to go beyond 3 years and yet fans are still bringing it up. Makes no sense. It's not the front office's fault the fans got caught with their pants down making assumptions and believing everything they read on the internet.

[LDF]

Cespedes wanted to stay in NY, Gordon wanted to stay in KC, Heyward turned down more money to sign with a team that had made it to the NLCS and it was rumored that Upton didn't want to play for the Sox. As far as I can tell, the Sox never had a chance with any of them. Why would a player be willing to sign while the prices were low? Doesn't sound very motivating to a FA player. Judging by the money spent and the contracts signed, I doubt the prices were ever low in the first place.

 

 

Hahn never came out and said the Sox were only willing to go three years, that was the media. Hahn said all along that the Sox would have to get creative to be able to sign a FA and that's why we heard rumors early in the off season about LaRoche being on the market.

 

It's not like the Sox have never signed players to longer than three years so I don't understand why fans cannot get past that media rumor. Hahn came out today and confirmed the Sox were willing to go beyond 3 years and yet fans are still bringing it up. Makes no sense. It's not the front office's fault the fans got caught with their pants down making assumptions and believing everything they read on the internet.

you make a good counter,

 

but during all the hoopla of cespy and teams courting him, it was always assumed the the sox were in the running, their was a rumor of 3 yrs contract and then the rumor of a 5 yr contract. 3yr being that of the mets and the 5 yrs being that of the nat'l.

 

so in essence lack of any information or further input from the FO, plus the comment of all in.... they the FO was guilty of misleading the fans.

 

this is my assumption and if i am correct in my reasoning, then the next several questions is 1. why and 2. did they expect the fans to figure this out??

[BlackSox13]

you make a good counter,

 

but during all the hoopla of cespy and teams courting him, it was always assumed the the sox were in the running, their was a rumor of 3 yrs contract and then the rumor of a 5 yr contract. 3yr being that of the mets and the 5 yrs being that of the nat'l.

 

so in essence lack of any information or further input from the FO, plus the comment of all in.... they the FO was guilty of misleading the fans.

 

this is my assumption and if i am correct in my reasoning, then the next several questions is 1. why and 2. did they expect the fans to figure this out??

Guilty of mis-leading fans by not discussing negotiations they are having with free agents? Arent the Sox known for " flying under the radar" when it comes to these things? Sorry, but the fans were mis-led by the media writers , not the Sox FO.

[LDF]

Guilty of mis-leading fans by not discussing negotiations they are having with free agents? Arent the Sox known for " flying under the radar" when it comes to these things? Sorry, but the fans were mis-led by the media writers , not the Sox FO.

 

guilty of misleading on the all in statement and letting it fester or morph into something other, if they really had no interest, anyone, i am sure they would have made a statement of other options available.

 

cryptic innuendo's is more along the line of what i am talking about..... again this is me and my suspicions of the attendance of soxfest and fans purchasing season tickets.