Thad Bosley Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 03:47 PM) Scot Gregor @scotgregor now Citing Abreu's 6-year deal and 4 years for Robertson, Hahn denies #WhiteSox were only willing to go 3 for Gordon, Cespedes or Upton Rather easy to deny now, isn't it. Credible sources were reporting otherwise at the time it mattered, and now we have none of the three. I'm not interested in the offers that brought in the aforementioned players. I'm interested in how competitive we actually were in trying to acquire the premium talent that we really could have used which was available on the market this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 06:20 PM) guilty of misleading on the all in statement and letting it fester or morph into something other, if they really had no interest, anyone, i am sure they would have made a statement of other options available. cryptic innuendo's is more along the line of what i am talking about..... again this is me and my suspicions of the attendance of soxfest and fans purchasing season tickets. Maybe I missed it but when did the Sox say they were all in? I don't recall seeing that in anything I've read this off season. I've seen it mentioned by a fan or two on this board but nothing from the Sox FO. The only misleading statements were made by writers and people on twitter. It's the fans fault for taking speculations and rumors and reading more into them then there really was. Case in point, the Cespedes thread is over 400 pages long and it started from a Garfien tweet. Don't get me wrong, I had fun discussing the possibility with everyone here but I also said few times in that thread that fans should not get their hopes up by assuming anything. I believe the Sox were in on Cespedes to a point but look at what it took for the Mets to bring Cespedes back to NY, a place he wanted to return to. How is it the front offices fault that Heyward wanted to play for the cubs, Cespedes wanted to stay with the Mets, Gordon wanted to stay with KC and Upton didn't want to play for the Sox? It's not front offices fault that fans mis-led their self. That's on the fans for buying into the media hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 04:03 AM) Maybe I missed it but when did the Sox say they were all in? I don't recall seeing that in anything I've read this off season. I've seen it mentioned by a fan or two on this board but nothing from the Sox FO. The only misleading statements were made by writers and people on twitter. It's the fans fault for taking speculations and rumors and reading more into them then there really was. Case in point, the Cespedes thread is over 400 pages long and it started from a Garfien tweet. Don't get me wrong, I had fun discussing the possibility with everyone here but I also said few times in that thread that fans should not get their hopes up by assuming anything. I believe the Sox were in on Cespedes to a point but look at what it took for the Mets to bring Cespedes back to NY, a place he wanted to return to. How is it the front offices fault that Heyward wanted to play for the cubs, Cespedes wanted to stay with the Mets, Gordon wanted to stay with KC and Upton didn't want to play for the Sox? It's not front offices fault that fans mis-led their self. That's on the fans for buying into the media hype. lets clarify one thing, ok. you and i talked about the top 3 or 4 elite hitters, i felt i needed to add c. davis to that list. i never thought the sox could or would sign any, b/c of the price being too exorbitant. i also mention that in that huge thread. so i guess we are on the same wave length as to cespy. so loosing out on cespy, i am totally indifferent to it. but if they, hahn and the FO, is trying to fib on the truth, i have a problem. if they want to mislead the fans, i have a problem. it is a creditability issue for me. now i am having this feeling as no important signing is coming, now that has me incense. fix this team, do not go cheap and go into the season with the team as is. nor go into the season with pitching or OF reclamation experiments on the roster. this will tell me, it is all about the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Brian's source has been rock solid all offseason and he told us that the 3 year thing was and is nonsense. Hahn confirmed that tonight. Are people really this dense or do some of you just not read before posting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 10:55 PM) Brian's source has been rock solid all offseason and he told us that the 3 year thing was and is nonsense. Hahn confirmed that tonight. Are people really this dense or do some of you just not read before posting? SoxTalk said the 3 year limit is proof that the Sox will never be taken seriously, therefore it is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) lets clarify one thing, ok. you and i talked about the top 3 or 4 elite hitters, i felt i needed to add c. davis to that list. i never thought the sox could or would sign any, b/c of the price being too exorbitant. i also mention that in that huge thread. so i guess we are on the same wave length as to cespy. so loosing out on cespy, i am totally indifferent to it. but if they, hahn and the FO, is trying to fib on the truth, i have a problem. if they want to mislead the fans, i have a problem. it is a creditability issue for me. now i am having this feeling as no important signing is coming, now that has me incense. fix this team, do not go cheap and go into the season with the team as is. nor go into the season with pitching or OF reclamation experiments on the roster. this will tell me, it is all about the money. If you didn't believe the Sox had a chance at signing those players because the price was exorbitant, and I agree, then what's the problem? Why would you get incensed if no important signing is coming when you didn't expect the Sox to sign any of the big FA's in the first place? Honestly, I do not see where you're coming from. I have not seen any comments from the front office that were mis-leading, not one. If you could provide links to comments made by the FO that were mis-leading, it would help me better understand where you're coming from. Going into the off season, did fans really believe the Sox were going to be able to fill all 6 holes that were 3B, 2B, SS, RF, DH and C? Frazier, Lawrie, Navarro and Avila were added to the roster along with Saladino taking over at SS. That's alot of changes right there and Hahn has said they are still looking and at this point I see no reason to doubt him since the off season is not over. Keep in mind though, he's not saying they WILL add another bat, just that they are still looking so lets take his comments for what they truely are and not what we want them to mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) If you didn't believe the Sox had a chance at signing those players because the price was exorbitant, and I agree, then what's the problem? Why would you get incensed if no important signing is coming when you didn't expect the Sox to sign any of the big FA's in the first place? Honestly, I do not see where you're coming from. I have not seen any comments from the front office that were mis-leading, not one. If you could provide links to comments made by the FO that were mis-leading, it would help me better understand where you're coming from. Going into the off season, did fans really believe the Sox were going to be able to fill all 6 holes that were 3B, 2B, SS, RF, DH and C? Frazier, Lawrie, Navarro and Avila were added to the roster along with Saladino taking over at SS. That's alot of changes right there and Hahn has said they are still looking and at this point I see no reason to doubt him since the off season is not over. Keep in mind though, he's not saying they WILL add another bat, just that they are still looking so lets take his comments for what they truely are and not what we want them to mean. debate is a great form of conversing on any topic.... the topic is sox and the board it soxtalk. i will admit that you make a nice counter. i just want them, the sox FO to finish what they started and if the salary this yrs goes to 150, then so be it, at the end of the season, 28 mil will come off the books. it is their fault that the sox has nothing of quality to offer up in a trade or bring up from the minors. they spew out words and nonsense in their the usual weak attempt to deflect any criticism from the crack management team, the Sox FO. i am just tired of the sox FO taking or looking for short cuts and all those wasted yrs and frustration in believing that they, the owners will make it or do the job the right way. ref the bold of all those positions to fix, it is thru their fault that this team is in the condition they are in, it falls squarely on their shoulders, i feel no pity, but i will feel incensed if they used that as an excuse to not finishing the job, b/c it would take money or fix it. Edited January 30, 2016 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 nobody really cares what they SAY, it's what they DO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) nobody really cares what they SAY, it's what they DO. And they have given out plenty of contracts longer than 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) And they have given out plenty of contracts longer than 3 years. Yet they are one of only three teams now (Indians and Pirates being the others) who haven't given out a contract for more than $70M. If the contract is not team friendly (see Sale, Abreu, Eaton, Quintana) or one where the market came to them (which is the game they were playing with Cespedes, Upton, & Gordon and lost), then they're not interested, at least as it relates to premium talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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