Orioles DO NOT Sign Fowler

[oldsox]

These players are proof that something has to change with the QO system, because they truly aren't worth a lost 1st round draft pick when you also have to pay them money on top of it.

Anybody know which side originally wanted the QO system? MLBPA or ownership? Or was it just a product of negotiation?

[Dick Allen]

Anybody know which side originally wanted the QO system? MLBPA or ownership? Or was it just a product of negotiation?

There is zero chance it was a players association idea.

[Bob Sacamano]

There is zero chance it was a players association idea.

 

Yep. Silly question.

[cabiness42]

It's more player-friendly than the old system.

[southsider2k5]

The thing is, this works great for ownership. The QO keeps prices down for certain players, and it makes other teams less likely to take away their players. This is exactly what ownership wanted when they created this system. It isn't meant to enhance player movement and make it easy for them to leave. It is meant to stop them from leaving.

 

If the players want the QO system changed, they are going to have to give up something else. Maybe this is how the international draft comes about, in a tit for tat exchange? Players give up the international signing system for a slotted international draft, while player gets the QO system abolished?

[Princess Dye]

Rosenthal's latest

 

 

 

 

Reports of the White Sox’s interest in Dodgers right fielder Andre Ethier were overstated. The team, however, is active on multiple fronts; the addition of Fowler or another outfielder would make right fielder Avisail Garcia expendable, and other scenarios surely are in play.

 

Also says the Sox interest in Desmond is overstated.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/gallard...osenthal-021216

Edited February 12, 2016 by Jose Paniagua

[Princess Dye]

OOOH also this about the Orioles..

 

 

The team’s first choice is to follow the expected signing of free-agent right-hander Yovani Gallardo with the signing of free-agent outfielder Dexter Fowler. But if Fowler joins, say, the White Sox, the Orioles’ backup plan appears to be a trade for Reds right fielder Jay Bruce.

 

It goes on to discuss how the Orioles' backup plan is Bruce and how a trade seems nearly worked out as a Plan B

Edited February 12, 2016 by Jose Paniagua

[bmags]

Because the Orioles are crazy I expect we will not outbid them for Fowler.

[fathom]

Everything seems to indicate the Sox would rather trade for a player than sign them.

[shipps]

Everything seems to indicate the Sox would rather trade for a player than sign them.

 

Which is bizarre if you ask me. Why would they want to deplete their farm anymore than what already was a weak system?

 

Hahn is obviously an extremely bright individual. He has gone to the best schools and had succeeded in the highest levels of management. But from the outside it seems like he has no real plan or direction of exactly what he wants to do. He seemingly wants moves to come to him and if they dont then he will rationalize it like he never wanted it in the first place. This cant be the case but its how I see it in my head.

[Harry Chappas]

Which is bizarre if you ask me. Why would they want to deplete their farm anymore than what already was a weak system?

 

Hahn is obviously an extremely bright individual. He has gone to the best schools and had succeeded in the highest levels of management. But from the outside it seems like he has no real plan or direction of exactly what he wants to do. He seemingly wants moves to come to him and if they dont then he will rationalize it like he never wanted it in the first place. This cant be the case but its how I see it in my head.

 

Because he trusts his current scouts to draft talent as opposed to the the prior guys and as such the draft picks this year hold more weight than the guys he will give up that are currently in the system.

[shipps]

Because he trusts his current scouts to draft talent as opposed to the the prior guys and as such the draft picks this year hold more weight than the guys he will give up that are currently in the system.

 

I really want to believe this is true. I would love to have them draft some position players that pan out.

[QuickJones81]

OOOH also this about the Orioles..

 

 

The team’s first choice is to follow the expected signing of free-agent right-hander Yovani Gallardo with the signing of free-agent outfielder Dexter Fowler. But if Fowler joins, say, the White Sox, the Orioles’ backup plan appears to be a trade for Reds right fielder Jay Bruce.

 

It goes on to discuss how the Orioles' backup plan is Bruce and how a trade seems nearly worked out as a Plan B

 

The Orioles really seem to have a leaky front office, and so far this off season it really has played to their disadvantage. I like seeing news about the Sox but it's probably better that we're all mostly in the dark.

 

[blackmooncreeping]

Which is bizarre if you ask me. Why would they want to deplete their farm anymore than what already was a weak system?

 

Hahn is obviously an extremely bright individual. He has gone to the best schools and had succeeded in the highest levels of management. But from the outside it seems like he has no real plan or direction of exactly what he wants to do. He seemingly wants moves to come to him and if they dont then he will rationalize it like he never wanted it in the first place. This cant be the case but its how I see it in my head.

I don't necessarily feel that way. Everyone who is b****ing and moaning about Hahn seems to be upset because things are going to plan according to their own personal perspective. Pretty sure the Sox have a basic contract structure in mind on each individual player, and if the price and years intersect with their range, then they try to strike. Just because the fans want the Sox to sign player A doesn't mean Hahn is going to overextend to land that player.

 

Whether it's a successful strategy in 2016, only time will tell.

[BlackSox13]

I don't necessarily feel that way. Everyone who is b****ing and moaning about Hahn seems to be upset because things are going to plan according to their own personal perspective. Pretty sure the Sox have a basic contract structure in mind on each individual player, and if the price and years intersect with their range, then they try to strike. Just because the fans want the Sox to sign player A doesn't mean Hahn is going to overextend to land that player.

 

Whether it's a successful strategy in 2016, only time will tell.

Well said sir!

 

Too many fans made false assumptions, believed too much of what was being written as well as interpreting those writings into something they wanted to hear in hopes of their preconceived notions coming true. Now, its the front offices fault for being "cheap" despite the money they have spent as recently as last winter, which I admit, has hindered them to an extent this winter. Now we're back to the Sox don't have a "plan" nonsense, despite upgrading spots such as SP, C, 3B and 2B. Yep, that looks like a team without a plan to me.

 

We all knew the Sox had numerous holes going into the off season and frankly, I'm surprised they have done as well as they have so far. Last I knew, opening day was April 4th and its only February 12th so theres still time for Hahn to acquire another bat. Just because things don't happen in the time frame some fans prefer doesn't mean they won't happen at all.

 

I for one am excited to see what the current team is capable of and if they are able to add another bat, it will be that much better.

[LDF]

Well said sir!

 

Too many fans made false assumptions, believed too much of what was being written as well as interpreting those writings into something they wanted to hear in hopes of their preconceived notions coming true. Now, its the front offices fault for being "cheap" despite the money they have spent as recently as last winter, which I admit, has hindered them to an extent this winter. Now we're back to the Sox don't have a "plan" nonsense, despite upgrading spots such as SP, C, 3B and 2B. Yep, that looks like a team without a plan to me.

 

We all knew the Sox had numerous holes going into the off season and frankly, I'm surprised they have done as well as they have so far. Last I knew, opening day was April 4th and its only February 12th so theres still time for Hahn to acquire another bat. Just because things don't happen in the time frame some fans prefer doesn't mean they won't happen at all.

 

I for one am excited to see what the current team is capable of and if they are able to add another bat, it will be that much better.

 

you do make a point, but the team salary is now at 123 mil, and if they are on a strict spending budget, only the Fo will know about that, then it does go back to them as being frugal.

 

and all the hoopla of trying to sign one of the big 3 was a farce, they may never have been that gun ho about getting one of those players, b/c of this money already being spent.

[shysocks]

What you guys gloss over is that the team picked a direction when they traded for Frazier, and so far they've been unable to finish the job. If they weren't comfortable with the costs it would take to make this team a real contender, then they should have noticed the deals teams like Atlanta were making and torn it down. I'm not just b****ing because I'm dumb and believed all the tweets and now they won't sign all the free agents I want. I'm mad because we've traded away a bunch of assets to become a .500 team.

[BlackSox13]

you do make a point, but the team salary is now at 123 mil, and if they are on a strict spending budget, only the Fo will know about that, then it does go back to them as being frugal.

 

and all the hoopla of trying to sign one of the big 3 was a farce, they may never have been that gun ho about getting one of those players, b/c of this money already being spent.

But if they are on a strict spending budget, then wouldn't it make sense they are not being frugal due to lack of money? How much money did they spend on FA last year for players like Duke, Robertson, Melky, LaRoche and traded for Samardzija and his salary? Doesn't sound like a frugal team to me. Obviously, in hind sight, they didn't spend it wisely and that spending combined with lack of results on the field which hurt attendance hindered their financial flexibility this winter.

 

As ss2k5 pointed out, its possible JR ok'd excess money to be spent on the right player such Cespedes or Gordon or possibly Upton but players like Desmond, Fowler and Jackson aren't near the caliper of the big three, whom would help much more in bringing fans to the park than Desmond, Fowler and Jackson. Also, Fowler and Desmond come with a comp pick attached which is a steep price for those caliper of players, depending on what they are asking for, which BTW we don't know at this time.

 

Fans complain about the Sox being cheap despite their spending last off season and in the past. Fans complain about the Sox not signing players that apparently did not want to sign with the Sox. Fans complain about not signing FA's and yet complain about a few of last years FA signings that unfortunately did not perform up to expectations. Fans complain about how the Sox aren't a team that can rely on spending in the FA market and yet complain when they do. Fans complain about the Sox trading prospects to fill holes and yet have only given up two prospects over the last ten years that have amounted to anything. Fans complain when rumors the media doesnt come true despite knowing that it's a writers job to write in ordsr to sell newspapers, get internet clicks and ignoring that most writers are stating their personal opinions that fans take as gospel Fans complain when when they gets their hopes up based on an internet rumor and the rumor ends up being false. Bottom line, some fans just want to complain, period. No matter what the Sox FO does, fans are going to find something to complain about. It's pathetic.

[Dick Allen]

What you guys gloss over is that the team picked a direction when they traded for Frazier, and so far they've been unable to finish the job. If they weren't comfortable with the costs it would take to make this team a real contender, then they should have noticed the deals teams like Atlanta were making and torn it down. I'm not just b****ing because I'm dumb and believed all the tweets and now they won't sign all the free agents I want. I'm mad because we've traded away a bunch of assets to become a .500 team.

I still believe they will get another OF. No one has yet to report what Desmond and Fowler and Jackson are asking. To say the White Sox aren't negotiating correctly by not giving them whatever they want isn't fair. They aren't the only team that could use these guys yet no team has signed them yet. When they are all gone and Avi is flailing away in RF and the White Sox are in 4th place, criticize all you want, they would deserve it. But right now? We all live on every latest tweet, yet how many actually are ever true? There is no doubt the budget is bigger for a guy like Cespedes or Gordon than it would be for a guy like Fowler or Desmond. but unless there is some horrific injury, Fowler, Desmod, and Jackson's prices aren't going higher. They are going to have to eventually settle, Desmond turned down over $100 million. Do you really think he would sign for 2 years $25 million right now or 3/$36 million? Maybe, but IMO, unlikely. There will be a time when he has to settle. It isn't now. Same with the other guys.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I still believe they will get another OF. No one has yet to report what Desmond and Fowler and Jackson are asking. To say the White Sox aren't negotiating correctly by not giving them whatever they want isn't fair. They aren't the only team that could use these guys yet no team has signed them yet. When they are all gone and Avi is flailing away in RF and the White Sox are in 4th place, criticize all you want, they would deserve it. But right now? We all live on every latest tweet, yet how many actually are ever true? There is no doubt the budget is bigger for a guy like Cespedes or Gordon than it would be for a guy like Fowler or Desmond. but unless there is some horrific injury, Fowler, Desmod, and Jackson's prices aren't going higher. They are going to have to eventually settle, Desmond turned down over $100 million. Do you really think he would sign for 2 years $25 million right now or 3/$36 million? Maybe, but IMO, unlikely. There will be a time when he has to settle. It isn't now. Same with the other guys.

 

 

This is a good post.

[BlackSox13]

This is a good post.

Agreed! Well said Dick Allen.

[LDF]

But if they are on a strict spending budget, then wouldn't it make sense they are not being frugal due to lack of money? How much money did they spend on FA last year for players like Duke, Robertson, Melky, LaRoche and traded for Samardzija and his salary? Doesn't sound like a frugal team to me. Obviously, in hind sight, they didn't spend it wisely and that spending combined with lack of results on the field which hurt attendance hindered their financial flexibility this winter.

 

As ss2k5 pointed out, its possible JR ok'd excess money to be spent on the right player such Cespedes or Gordon or possibly Upton but players like Desmond, Fowler and Jackson aren't near the caliper of the big three, whom would help much more in bringing fans to the park than Desmond, Fowler and Jackson. Also, Fowler and Desmond come with a comp pick attached which is a steep price for those caliper of players, depending on what they are asking for, which BTW we don't know at this time.

 

Fans complain about the Sox being cheap despite their spending last off season and in the past. Fans complain about the Sox not signing players that apparently did not want to sign with the Sox. Fans complain about not signing FA's and yet complain about a few of last years FA signings that unfortunately did not perform up to expectations. Fans complain about how the Sox aren't a team that can rely on spending in the FA market and yet complain when they do. Fans complain about the Sox trading prospects to fill holes and yet have only given up two prospects over the last ten years that have amounted to anything. Fans complain when rumors the media doesnt come true despite knowing that it's a writers job to write in ordsr to sell newspapers, get internet clicks and ignoring that most writers are stating their personal opinions that fans take as gospel Fans complain when when they gets their hopes up based on an internet rumor and the rumor ends up being false. Bottom line, some fans just want to complain, period. No matter what the Sox FO does, fans are going to find something to complain about. It's pathetic.

 

again you make a very good compelling point.

 

however you are taking and seeing one part of this, the team spending. ok, last yr, they spent on Fa's, what was the final total salary of the team??? now use that number and see how many times over the course of, lets say 5 yrs did they, the sox spend to that amount. + / -.

 

those writers you mention are looking at the big picture and are not getting fixated on something that is really not close to telling the story.

 

btw, if they had the budget to pay for the top 3 Fa's, then they still have the budget to acquire another player. anyway all agreed that the sox, if necessary would sacrifice their comp pick to improve the team...... listen here, the word is improve???

 

what i see that you find poster like i as pathetic b/c i do not personally buy into that fluff. what i find most disconcerting is fans are so gullible to believe every little word that the FO spews without question.

 

[LDF]

I still believe they will get another OF. No one has yet to report what Desmond and Fowler and Jackson are asking. To say the White Sox aren't negotiating correctly by not giving them whatever they want isn't fair. They aren't the only team that could use these guys yet no team has signed them yet. When they are all gone and Avi is flailing away in RF and the White Sox are in 4th place, criticize all you want, they would deserve it. But right now? We all live on every latest tweet, yet how many actually are ever true? There is no doubt the budget is bigger for a guy like Cespedes or Gordon than it would be for a guy like Fowler or Desmond. but unless there is some horrific injury, Fowler, Desmod, and Jackson's prices aren't going higher. They are going to have to eventually settle, Desmond turned down over $100 million. Do you really think he would sign for 2 years $25 million right now or 3/$36 million? Maybe, but IMO, unlikely. There will be a time when he has to settle. It isn't now. Same with the other guys.

 

if they do go out and get another piece then find, but i am saying they need to address it. i am also not advocating the org to spend money of the value of Cespy on flower, jackson, i am saying is until they find that last piece, i am going to be skeptical.

 

yes, that is the results of being a fan of the sox, yrs of futility and bad mismanagement from the sox org.

 

sad this is, for me, i am a sox fan and as such, have a right to voice my complaints.

[Dick Allen]

According to Rosenthal, the Sox are still searching for OFs including Fowler, and may even trade Avi. So does bipolar Soxtalk get happy again?

[LDF]

According to Rosenthal, the Sox are still searching for OFs including Fowler, and may even trade Avi. So does bipolar Soxtalk get happy again?

 

yeah that was last nite on mlb rumors page.

 

so with you statement of bi-polar fans, i guess i am whomever disagree with the masses on this site are regulated to being bi-polar. really nice.

 

however the window of opportunity is do something is now, there is an expiration date on this talent of this team, i would like to max out the success of the main core. not to wait for the money to come off the books in order to make other moves.

 

btw, look at the state of the system, beside anderson, do the sox have other prospect to step in and succeed next yr, look at the fa's do you imagine the sox org to spend money and are there good fa next yr, or fa's that are a better fit than this yr group???

Edited February 13, 2016 by LDF