Orioles DO NOT Sign Fowler

[Dick Allen]

yeah that was last nite on mlb rumors page.

 

so with you statement of bi-polar fans, i guess i am whomever disagree with the masses on this site are regulated to being bi-polar. really nice.

 

however the window of opportunity is do something is now, there is an expiration date on this talent of this team, i would like to max out the success of the main core. not to wait for the money to come off the books in order to make other moves.

 

btw, look at the state of the system, beside anderson, do the sox have other prospect to step in and succeed next yr, look at the fa's do you imagine the sox org to spend money and are there good fa next yr, or fa's that are a better fit than this yr group???

No by bipolar, the excitement generated by a tweet saying the White Sox are contemplating a run at Ian Desmond, and then the total opposite when Nightengale says they are out of cash. I follow these national writers as much as the next guy, but the only things they are really accurate at tweet wise is breaking signings. Signings you would find out about in a half an hour anyway. The vast majority of their information is just noise. GMs are on the phone almost every day, for a good part of the day, but how many deals do they make?

 

The fact is the season doesn't start for almost 2 months. Rosters don't have to be set by this weekend. I have said if the Sox go half assed they should get skewered. Right now it is half assed. They need at least one more guy. But to criticize them now is silly. There is still time. At least at this point they are one guy away from most people thinking they are legitimate.

[BlackSox13]

again you make a very good compelling point.

 

however you are taking and seeing one part of this, the team spending. ok, last yr, they spent on Fa's, what was the final total salary of the team??? now use that number and see how many times over the course of, lets say 5 yrs did they, the sox spend to that amount. + / -.

 

those writers you mention are looking at the big picture and are not getting fixated on something that is really not close to telling the story.

 

btw, if they had the budget to pay for the top 3 Fa's, then they still have the budget to acquire another player. anyway all agreed that the sox, if necessary would sacrifice their comp pick to improve the team...... listen here, the word is improve???

 

what i see that you find poster like i as pathetic b/c i do not personally buy into that fluff. what i find most disconcerting is fans are so gullible to believe every little word that the FO spews without question.

With 2nd tier free agents, does the end justify the means to improve the overall team? Are ticket and SOX apparel sales going to spike signing 2nd tier free agents like they would with players such as Cespedes/Gordon/Upton? Nope. Is giving up a draft pick and taking on the salary of players like Desmomd/Fowler worth the risk? Possibly and that's certainly debatable depending on ones POV. Personally, I think the risk is justifiable depending on the annual salary and length of contract. I would imagine the Sox FO office sees it the same way and are only willing to go so far and I don't blame them in that regard.

 

What has the Sox FO spewed that has made fans so gullible? All they have said is that they are exploring all opportunities with reference to trades and free agents that do and do not come with comp picks attached. They have yet to come out and name a player they were directly going after, nor should they. As far as the financials go, we as fans have no choice but to take their word because none of us know exactly just how much money they have to spend, only speculation based on opinion. Due to the Sox willingness to spend in the past for what they perceive to be the right player(s) and as recently as last winter, I see no reason for me to question them just because some writers and tweeters were wrong with their " inside " information. It's the fans fault for allowing their selves to get suckered by those " insiders " , not the FO.

 

There was 6 positional holes to be filled going into the off season. Did anyone realistically see the Sox filling all 6 of those voids? I sure as hell didn't. So far they have filled 3 of those 6 holes. Let's look at those 3 holes that are left SS, RF or OF and DH. The Sox rolling the dice with Saladino at SS is justifiable based on Saladino's defense and to serve as a potential place holder to Anderson for a season. DH, well we all know LaRoche isn't going anywhere and just have to accept that in retrospect, he was a bad signing. Sometimes FA signings just don't work out and the Sox aren't the only team this happens to. RF/OF, well, that's really what were talking about here and the Sox have actually acknowledged they are seeking an OF bat, preferably a LHB. The off season is not over, opening day has yet to arrive, so there's no reason for me to doubt they are indeed still seeking that upgrade for the OF. If the Sox fail to upgrade the OF before opening day, then you can bet I'll be unhappy about it but, I will still give the FO credit for adding Frazier/ Lawrie/ Avila/ Navarro/ Latos and re-signing Albers while moving on from duds such as Flowers/ Beckham/ Samardzija/ Soto etc.

 

All I'm saying is that I'll withhold any criticisms I may potentially have until I see what the final 25 man roster looks like at the end of ST. Still plenty of time for the Sox to make upgrades and despite what some think, I feel the Sox have come a long way and I'm pretty excited about that.

Edited February 13, 2016 by BlackSox13

[Dick Allen]

With 2nd tier free agents, does the end justify the means to improve the overall team? Are ticket and SOX apparel sales going to spike signing 2nd tier free agents like they would with players such as Cespedes/Gordon/Upton? Nope. Is giving up a draft pick and taking on the salary of players like Desmomd/Fowler worth the risk? Possibly and that's certainly debatable depending on ones POV. Personally, I think the risk is justifiable depending on the annual salary and length of contract. I would imagine the Sox FO office sees it the same way and are only willing to go so far and I don't blame them in that regard.

 

What has the Sox FO spewed that has made fans so gullible? All they have said is that they are exploring all opportunities with reference to trades and free agents that do and do not come with comp picks attached. They have yet to come out and name a player they were directly going after, nor should they. As far as the financials go, we as fans have no choice but to take their word because none of us know exactly just how much money they have to spend, only speculation based on opinion. Due to the Sox willingness to spend in the past for what they perceive to be the right player(s) and as recently as last winter, I see no reason for me to question them just because some writers and tweeters were wrong with their " inside " information. It's the fans fault for allowing their selves to get suckered by those " insiders " , not the FO.

 

There was 6 positional holes to be filled going into the off season. Did anyone realistically see the Sox filling all 6 of those voids? I sure as hell didn't. So far they have filled 3 of those 6 holes. Let's look at those 3 holes that are left SS, RF or OF and DH. The Sox rolling the dice with Saladino at SS is justifiable based on Saladino's defense and to serve as a potential place holder to Anderson for a season. DH, well we all know LaRoche isn't going anywhere and just have to accept that in retrospect, he was a bad signing. Sometimes FA signings just don't work out and the Sox aren't the only team this happens to. RF/OF, well, that's really what were talking about here and the Sox have actually acknowledged they are seeking an OF bat, preferably a LHB. The off season is not over, opening day has yet to arrive, so there's no reason for me to doubt they are indeed still seeking that upgrade for the OF. If the Sox fail to upgrade the OF before opening day, then you can bet I'll be unhappy about it but, I will still give the FO credit for adding Frazier/ Lawrie/ Avila/ Navarro/ Latos and re-signing Albers while moving on from duds such as Flowers/ Beckham/ Samardzija/ Soto etc.

 

All I'm saying is that I'll withhold any criticisms I may potentially have until I see what the final 25 man roster looks like at the end of ST. Still plenty of time for the Sox to make upgrades and despite what some think, I feel the Sox have come a long way and I'm pretty excited about that.

I agree with this 100%. And to me, Nightengale saying the Sox are out of cash is like white smoke at the Vatican. Something must be imminent. They were out of money, they trade for Peavy. Even have less than no money, claim Rios. Busted again, find $4 million to pay Manny for a month. Totally busted Paulie is leaving, AJ is leaving,....sign Dunn, bring Paulie and AJ back.

[GGajewski18]

I agree with this 100%. And to me, Nightengale saying the Sox are out of cash is like white smoke at the Vatican. Something must be imminent. They were out of money, they trade for Peavy. Even have less than no money, claim Rios. Busted again, find $4 million to pay Manny for a month. Totally busted Paulie is leaving, AJ is leaving,....sign Dunn, bring Paulie and AJ back.

 

Out of money after Robertson and Samardzija, sign Melky.

 

The Sox are not out of money.

[LDF]

No by bipolar, the excitement generated by a tweet saying the White Sox are contemplating a run at Ian Desmond, and then the total opposite when Nightengale says they are out of cash. I follow these national writers as much as the next guy, but the only things they are really accurate at tweet wise is breaking signings. Signings you would find out about in a half an hour anyway. The vast majority of their information is just noise. GMs are on the phone almost every day, for a good part of the day, but how many deals do they make?

 

The fact is the season doesn't start for almost 2 months. Rosters don't have to be set by this weekend. I have said if the Sox go half assed they should get skewered. Right now it is half assed. They need at least one more guy. But to criticize them now is silly. There is still time. At least at this point they are one guy away from most people thinking they are legitimate.

 

again you make a good counter. good job.

 

for my response, i will admit i was not in favor of signing any of the top 3 of'ers, i wanted the org to use that money to fix as many pieces as they can. esp after the trade for the 3b and 2nd baseman. i wanted and hope for a sp, and the sox got latos and with less than what i expected. i wanted a of'er, somebody who is better than Avi. now with most posters wanting the SS, i was content with Saladino, i was also content with Avi as a platoon at dh. but an of'er who can have a hit factor better than the K's. if that player can get an additional 15 hrs.... then that is gravy.

 

with ref to sports writers, they all have an agenda and i take what they write with a grain of salt, but still i am still set on the sox getting an of'er. i would even settle for murphy, which i have been spouting for.

 

trades, well that can be tricky with ref to assets the org has to make a trade work.

[LDF]

With 2nd tier free agents, does the end justify the means to improve the overall team? Are ticket and SOX apparel sales going to spike signing 2nd tier free agents like they would with players such as Cespedes/Gordon/Upton? Nope. Is giving up a draft pick and taking on the salary of players like Desmomd/Fowler worth the risk? Possibly and that's certainly debatable depending on ones POV. Personally, I think the risk is justifiable depending on the annual salary and length of contract. I would imagine the Sox FO office sees it the same way and are only willing to go so far and I don't blame them in that regard.

 

What has the Sox FO spewed that has made fans so gullible? All they have said is that they are exploring all opportunities with reference to trades and free agents that do and do not come with comp picks attached. They have yet to come out and name a player they were directly going after, nor should they. As far as the financials go, we as fans have no choice but to take their word because none of us know exactly just how much money they have to spend, only speculation based on opinion. Due to the Sox willingness to spend in the past for what they perceive to be the right player(s) and as recently as last winter, I see no reason for me to question them just because some writers and tweeters were wrong with their " inside " information. It's the fans fault for allowing their selves to get suckered by those " insiders " , not the FO.

 

There was 6 positional holes to be filled going into the off season. Did anyone realistically see the Sox filling all 6 of those voids? I sure as hell didn't. So far they have filled 3 of those 6 holes. Let's look at those 3 holes that are left SS, RF or OF and DH. The Sox rolling the dice with Saladino at SS is justifiable based on Saladino's defense and to serve as a potential place holder to Anderson for a season. DH, well we all know LaRoche isn't going anywhere and just have to accept that in retrospect, he was a bad signing. Sometimes FA signings just don't work out and the Sox aren't the only team this happens to. RF/OF, well, that's really what were talking about here and the Sox have actually acknowledged they are seeking an OF bat, preferably a LHB. The off season is not over, opening day has yet to arrive, so there's no reason for me to doubt they are indeed still seeking that upgrade for the OF. If the Sox fail to upgrade the OF before opening day, then you can bet I'll be unhappy about it but, I will still give the FO credit for adding Frazier/ Lawrie/ Avila/ Navarro/ Latos and re-signing Albers while moving on from duds such as Flowers/ Beckham/ Samardzija/ Soto etc.

 

All I'm saying is that I'll withhold any criticisms I may potentially have until I see what the final 25 man roster looks like at the end of ST. Still plenty of time for the Sox to make upgrades and despite what some think, I feel the Sox have come a long way and I'm pretty excited about that.

 

with ref to the 1st bold, 2nd tier players, yeah i would settle for them, in fact i was counting on them for the final piece of the of'ers. now with ref to selling sports apparel, i do not give a rats arse on that, i want the team to be in the best shape they can and invested in to compete.

 

2nd bold, innuendo's and half truth, esp when trying to imply that they were in the running, now that can be subjective in on it is used and how or to the audience they are intending that info to..... meaning the fans and to possible season tickets. gullible, never once did the fans really question the sox fo during the soxfest on how earnest in their pursuit they were to getting key players. gullible is when posters are saying, the sox can go into the season and if specific players don't perform they they will replace them...... when and with whom, when the opportunity is to improve the team now, in the offseason.

 

ref the 3rd bold. i will give you credit for saying there are 3 spots left, i for one will be happy and has been happy if the sox were to get an of'er. i have been spouting since the off season began on Avi as a platoon for dh with lorache and i would be happy with saladino b/c of anderson on the horizon.

 

and lastly i have given the sox their just due for improving the team up to now, esp after the latos signing. look at the latos thread, i have given them many plaudits to date, for all that was accomplish. i am just saying, do not stop now..... for me, 1 last position is needed, the outfield.

 

[BlackSox13]

I agree with this 100%. And to me, Nightengale saying the Sox are out of cash is like white smoke at the Vatican. Something must be imminent. They were out of money, they trade for Peavy. Even have less than no money, claim Rios. Busted again, find $4 million to pay Manny for a month. Totally busted Paulie is leaving, AJ is leaving,....sign Dunn, bring Paulie and AJ back.

These are all great examples of the Sox FO " posturing " in the past. In all honesty, I truely believe the FO does this so they do not get the hopes up of fans in case they fail to deliver and why the FO comes across as being so vague at times. Can you imagine the back-lash if the Sox say they are going after a specified player and fail to deliver? Holy smokes, the back-lash would be beyond furious. The last time I recall the Sox naming a player they were going after was Torii Hunter and we all know how that turned out. Imo, that was a lesson the FO learned from and why they try not to be specific with names.

 

I do believe the budget is tight but also believe the Sox have some excess money to spend and are willing to do so, but only for what they perceive to be the right player and circumstances. Seeing as how I don't work in the FO or have inside information, all I can do as a fan is sit back and trust they are out there doing their best in continuing to improve the team. Hahn has come out said numerous times they have " many irons in the fire " so that's why I remain patient and willing to see how this plays out.

 

I get emotional enough during the season when games are played, no point in me getting started just yet. It's too soon.

 

Patience fellow Sox fans.

[Dick Allen]

These are all great examples of the Sox FO " posturing " in the past. In all honesty, I truely believe the FO does this so they do not get the hopes up of fans in case they fail to deliver and why the FO comes across as being so vague at times. Can you imagine the back-lash if the Sox say they are going after a specified player and fail to deliver? Holy smokes, the back-lash would be beyond furious. The last time I recall the Sox naming a player they were going after was Torii Hunter and we all know how that turned out. Imo, that was a lesson the FO learned from and why they try not to be specific with names.

 

I do believe the budget is tight but also believe the Sox have some excess money to spend and are willing to do so, but only for what they perceive to be the right player and circumstances. Seeing as how I don't work in the FO or have inside information, all I can do as a fan is sit back and trust they are out there doing their best in continuing to improve the team. Hahn has come out said numerous times they have " many irons in the fire " so that's why I remain patient and willing to see how this plays out.

 

I get emotional enough during the season when games are played, no point in me getting started just yet. It's too soon.

 

Patience fellow Sox fans.

Patience is correct

Gallardo is going to get $40-45 million allegedly

 

 

Latos got $3 million

 

Signing Ian Kennedy in January cost $70 million

 

 

[LDF]

These are all great examples of the Sox FO " posturing " in the past. In all honesty, I truely believe the FO does this so they do not get the hopes up of fans in case they fail to deliver and why the FO comes across as being so vague at times. Can you imagine the back-lash if the Sox say they are going after a specified player and fail to deliver? Holy smokes, the back-lash would be beyond furious. The last time I recall the Sox naming a player they were going after was Torii Hunter and we all know how that turned out. Imo, that was a lesson the FO learned from and why they try not to be specific with names.

 

I do believe the budget is tight but also believe the Sox have some excess money to spend and are willing to do so, but only for what they perceive to be the right player and circumstances. Seeing as how I don't work in the FO or have inside information, all I can do as a fan is sit back and trust they are out there doing their best in continuing to improve the team. Hahn has come out said numerous times they have " many irons in the fire " so that's why I remain patient and willing to see how this plays out.

 

I get emotional enough during the season when games are played, no point in me getting started just yet. It's too soon.

 

Patience fellow Sox fans.

 

a really great post. nice job.

 

ref the bold, i can and i hope that many posters on this site, can understand if the sox failed, esp if player C wanting player A type money is the skills level is so vastly different.

 

but if the sox failed to answer the bell and not get that player b/c of not spending money, money that is with reason and area of that player value, that is a problme for me.

 

hey, if Hahn does get a viable of'er and calls it a day, i would be happy and i would be routing for him to get the management of the yr award. 5 or 6 known weakness and he fix it and within a budget .....

 

now the wildcard for me..... i really hope and pray to the baseball gods that RV is up to the challenge of taking this team forward.

Edited February 13, 2016 by LDF

[LDF]

Patience is correct

Gallardo is going to get $40-45 million allegedly

 

 

Latos got $3 million

 

Signing Ian Kennedy in January cost $70 million

 

i pm some other poster and to tell you the truth, i never, ever thought the sox would have signed latos. i was content with Alfredo Simon or Tim Lincecum.

 

that threw me, getting latos.

[hi8is]

i pm some other poster and to tell you the truth, i never, ever thought the sox would have signed latos. i was content with Alfredo Simon or Tim Lincecum.

 

that threw me, getting latos.

Hahn set a precedent of patience with the Peavy trade of 2013... He's been really consistent in getting things done on terms closer to his own than that of the other party at the table. It's something I immediately recognized then and see as a common thread.

 

100% the right way to go.

 

Edit: it's just not nearly as "fun" as the KW crazy trader style for us fans in hot stove times.

Edited February 13, 2016 by hi8is

[Dick Allen]

i pm some other poster and to tell you the truth, i never, ever thought the sox would have signed latos. i was content with Alfredo Simon or Tim Lincecum.

 

that threw me, getting latos.

I don't know if that is being a great GM because that move, and I really am not a fan of Latos, was a no brainer. But it is shocking to me he did it with basically no incentives. He must really want to work with Coop and/or the Sox training staff.i don't think the Sox would actually promise him a spot in the rotation no matter what. He also hates being pulled. The Sox hang with their starters longer than most. Whatever the motivation, I think it blows away the moves they have basically been spending this amount of cash for recently. It isn't like he is going to have to be very good to earn his paycheck. If he returns anywhere near to form, he is an unreal steal.

[BlackSox13]

with ref to the 1st bold, 2nd tier players, yeah i would settle for them, in fact i was counting on them for the final piece of the of'ers. now with ref to selling sports apparel, i do not give a rats arse on that, i want the team to be in the best shape they can and invested in to compete.

 

2nd bold, innuendo's and half truth, esp when trying to imply that they were in the running, now that can be subjective in on it is used and how or to the audience they are intending that info to..... meaning the fans and to possible season tickets. gullible, never once did the fans really question the sox fo during the soxfest on how earnest in their pursuit they were to getting key players. gullible is when posters are saying, the sox can go into the season and if specific players don't perform they they will replace them...... when and with whom, when the opportunity is to improve the team now, in the offseason.

 

ref the 3rd bold. i will give you credit for saying there are 3 spots left, i for one will be happy and has been happy if the sox were to get an of'er. i have been spouting since the off season began on Avi as a platoon for dh with lorache and i would be happy with saladino b/c of anderson on the horizon.

 

and lastly i have given the sox their just due for improving the team up to now, esp after the latos signing. look at the latos thread, i have given them many plaudits to date, for all that was accomplish. i am just saying, do not stop now..... for me, 1 last position is needed, the outfield.

I would settle for 2nd tier players as well, but even then I would only be willing to go so far. The end has to justify the means. I'd like to see the Sox improve the lineup as bad as anyone but also do not want the Sox to get so desperate that they sign a player to another potentially bad contract. As bad of a signing as LaRoche turned out to be, I'm glad it was for only two years. Can you imagine if the Sox were stuck for another year or two after '16? Yikes! Take Fowler for instance, I would be willing to go 3 years on a player like him but if he insists on more than that, I wish him well and walk away from him. 4 years + is too long of a commitment for a player that's about to turn 30 with below average defense and part of his game relies on speed which doesn't bode well for players as they age. In this case, imo, the end would not justify the means. IOW, I feel Fowler's game could hold up for another two or possibly three years but not four or more. Thing is, we don't know exactly what Fowler is looking for and we don't know just how far the SOX are willing to go so to criticize is really a moot point.

 

As for innuendos/half truths, do you really want the Sox to come out and publically tell the world their off season game plan? I don't see how that's going to help them in negotiations with free agents and GM's with regards to the trade market. The FO should be as vague as possible not only for negotiations sake but also in an effort to not get the fans hopes up on a specified player in case they fail to deliver. Much like what we've seen this off season from fans buying into the internet rumors.now, as for the persuit of the big free agent outfielders, in the end, does it really matter since those players signed elsewhere? It's all hindsight and irrelevant now. What matters is, what are they doing now to continue to improve the team, specifically the OF? Hopefully, that question will be answered between now and the end of ST.

 

I'm with ya on the Latos signing and I'm really excited about his potential upside. When he's healthy, Latos has some pretty nasty stuff. I also agree that Avi should be a platoon partner for LaRoche ( if Avi is not traded ) and that the outfield needs another upgrade. Hahn has been transparent with regards to the front office's desire to upgrade the OF. Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean it will not happen at all. Thats why I continue to point out that theres still plenty of time left and for fans to be patient.

[BlackSox13]

Patience is correct

Gallardo is going to get $40-45 million allegedly

 

 

Latos got $3 million

 

Signing Ian Kennedy in January cost $70 million

Two more examples that show the Sox have the right approach and actually do have a plan. I don't know about you but if the Sox signed Kennedy to that contract, I'd be pissed! I know I wouldn't be very happy about giving Gallardo 3/40-45M either.

 

The Sox FO did well with staying patient and signing Latos for peanuts. Latos' potential upside, the idea of him working Cooper to get back on track as well as working with Hermie to hopefully stay healthy has me pretty geeked over the signing.

[LDF]

I would settle for 2nd tier players as well, but even then I would only be willing to go so far. The end has to justify the means. I'd like to see the Sox improve the lineup as bad as anyone but also do not want the Sox to get so desperate that they sign a player to another potentially bad contract. As bad of a signing as LaRoche turned out to be, I'm glad it was for only two years. Can you imagine if the Sox were stuck for another year or two after '16? Yikes! Take Fowler for instance, I would be willing to go 3 years on a player like him but if he insists on more than that, I wish him well and walk away from him. 4 years + is too long of a commitment for a player that's about to turn 30 with below average defense and part of his game relies on speed which doesn't bode well for players as they age. In this case, imo, the end would not justify the means. IOW, I feel Fowler's game could hold up for another two or possibly three years but not four or more. Thing is, we don't know exactly what Fowler is looking for and we don't know just how far the SOX are willing to go so to criticize is really a moot point.

 

As for innuendos/half truths, do you really want the Sox to come out and publically tell the world their off season game plan? I don't see how that's going to help them in negotiations with free agents and GM's with regards to the trade market. The FO should be as vague as possible not only for negotiations sake but also in an effort to not get the fans hopes up on a specified player in case they fail to deliver. Much like what we've seen this off season from fans buying into the internet rumors.now, as for the persuit of the big free agent outfielders, in the end, does it really matter since those players signed elsewhere? It's all hindsight and irrelevant now. What matters is, what are they doing now to continue to improve the team, specifically the OF? Hopefully, that question will be answered between now and the end of ST.

 

I'm with ya on the Latos signing and I'm really excited about his potential upside. When he's healthy, Latos has some pretty nasty stuff. I also agree that Avi should be a platoon partner for LaRoche ( if Avi is not traded ) and that the outfield needs another upgrade. Hahn has been transparent with regards to the front office's desire to upgrade the OF. Just because it hasn't happened yet does not mean it will not happen at all. Thats why I continue to point out that theres still plenty of time left and for fans to be patient.

 

ref 1st bold, that was completely on the luck of the draw. good idea but it didn't work. so should the sox not do anything else until, fiscally, the contracts come off the books??? this here is the crux of my pov.

 

ref to 2nd bold, well the point that is being concentrated on is not informing the fans, ok, but don't provide that appearance of going after the top Fa's. what was the purpose of that??? the answer is the Fo internal reasoning. while i really don't trust the sports writers in their attempt to create or rpt news, i still look and read, esp when the talk of cesp coming down to 2 teams topics. not once were the sox mention in that whole part for the final contract. this was not me believing until the final decision was made. when the final story did comes out, then i will look back to see where the sox was in all this.

 

finally the last bold, patience and i understand what you are saying here. i have been patient and preaching this same old line of patience since 2002 on here and other places. back then i was the only one who trusted the sox owners group. now, a decade plus later, i am on the other side of the coin. i want actions and as i have said, go to the salary of 150 mil, to fix this team. that window of improvement in small ..... that money invested will bring the fans back, will help to compete with the PR for media time in chi, and the main albatross of a contract will be coming off the books. go over the int'l signing allotment, and hopefully they will be drafting right. improve the infrastructure called the white sox team, from the minor / farm team all the way up.

 

now what will happen if they don't get that elusive OF'er..... what other points will fans look at and use as the excuse, well this team is solid as of right now, esp in the pitching dept???

 

 

[LDF]

Two more examples that show the Sox have the right approach and actually do have a plan. I don't know about you but if the Sox signed Kennedy to that contract, I'd be pissed! I know I wouldn't be very happy about giving Gallardo 3/40-45M either.

 

The Sox FO did well with staying patient and signing Latos for peanuts. Latos' potential upside, the idea of him working Cooper to get back on track as well as working with Hermie to hopefully stay healthy has me pretty geeked over the signing.

 

that was all shear luck of the draw.

[LDF]

I don't know if that is being a great GM because that move, and I really am not a fan of Latos, was a no brainer. But it is shocking to me he did it with basically no incentives. He must really want to work with Coop and/or the Sox training staff.i don't think the Sox would actually promise him a spot in the rotation no matter what. He also hates being pulled. The Sox hang with their starters longer than most. Whatever the motivation, I think it blows away the moves they have basically been spending this amount of cash for recently. It isn't like he is going to have to be very good to earn his paycheck. If he returns anywhere near to form, he is an unreal steal.

 

i don't know the rules on this one, can the sox, if latos does rebound, offer his a QO next yr???

[macsandz]

that was all shear luck of the draw.

 

No it wasn't. Latos had offers potentially in excess of 3x the amount he signed for. Sox appealed to him for the opportunity and their reputation with pitching and injuries.

[BlackSox13]

that was all shear luck of the draw.

 

 

No it wasn't. Latos had offers potentially in excess of 3x the amount he signed for. Sox appealed to him for the opportunity and their reputation with pitching and injuries.

Thank you. You took the words right out of my mouth.

 

I was reading stuff on Friday that said exactly what you say in your post.

[BlackSox13]

ref 1st bold, that was completely on the luck of the draw. good idea but it didn't work. so should the sox not do anything else until, fiscally, the contracts come off the books??? this here is the crux of my pov.

 

ref to 2nd bold, well the point that is being concentrated on is not informing the fans, ok, but don't provide that appearance of going after the top Fa's. what was the purpose of that??? the answer is the Fo internal reasoning. while i really don't trust the sports writers in their attempt to create or rpt news, i still look and read, esp when the talk of cesp coming down to 2 teams topics. not once were the sox mention in that whole part for the final contract. this was not me believing until the final decision was made. when the final story did comes out, then i will look back to see where the sox was in all this.

 

finally the last bold, patience and i understand what you are saying here. i have been patient and preaching this same old line of patience since 2002 on here and other places. back then i was the only one who trusted the sox owners group. now, a decade plus later, i am on the other side of the coin. i want actions and as i have said, go to the salary of 150 mil, to fix this team. that window of improvement in small ..... that money invested will bring the fans back, will help to compete with the PR for media time in chi, and the main albatross of a contract will be coming off the books. go over the int'l signing allotment, and hopefully they will be drafting right. improve the infrastructure called the white sox team, from the minor / farm team all the way up.

 

now what will happen if they don't get that elusive OF'er..... what other points will fans look at and use as the excuse, well this team is solid as of right now, esp in the pitching dept???

With all do respect, I think I'm done here. It's obvious you have a huge beef with the FO and to the point where nothing they do or say is the right thing. I really don't know what else to say, man. Lighten up, its just Baseball.

[LDF]

No it wasn't. Latos had offers potentially in excess of 3x the amount he signed for. Sox appealed to him for the opportunity and their reputation with pitching and injuries.

 

it was a shear luck of the draw.... that the player decided to accept the sox offer instead of any of the others, which had more on the table.

 

going into this discussion with latos, is anyone going to debate that the FO had it in mind that latos would accept their offer???? c'mon be serious, they knew that their offer would be good enuf???

[LDF]

With all do respect, I think I'm done here. It's obvious you have a huge beef with the FO and to the point where nothing they do or say is the right thing. I really don't know what else to say, man. Lighten up, its just Baseball.

 

i am and it is kool, it was a healthy debate.... nothing wrong with that, no cussing, no anger. it was a nice debate on a difference of opinions.

 

btw, with ref to bold, i do, all those missed opportunity when they, the fo never finished the rebuild and go out and get that last missing piece. instead using reclamation players to bridge the gap. this org should have had many WS rings, instead of one.

Edited February 13, 2016 by LDF

[MDWhiteSoxFan]

it was a shear luck of the draw.... that the player decided to accept the sox offer instead of any of the others, which had more on the table.

 

going into this discussion with latos, is anyone going to debate that the FO had it in mind that latos would accept their offer???? c'mon be serious, they knew that their offer would be good enuf???

 

 

IMO if they didn't think their offer would be good enough why even offer it? Even if they thought they had an outside shot. They wouldn't offer a contract thinking the player wouldn't accept it just to say "oh man we tried and struck out" or they wouldn't offer the contract if they didn't have interest in said player and vice versa. If Latos hadn't showed legitimate interest in us they would have never offered a contract in the first place.

[Balta1701]

IMO if they didn't think their offer would be good enough why even offer it? Even if they thought they had an outside shot. They wouldn't offer a contract thinking the player wouldn't accept it just to say "oh man we tried and struck out" or they wouldn't offer the contract if they didn't have interest in said player and vice versa. If Latos hadn't showed legitimate interest in us they would have never offered a contract in the first place.

One obvious answer is to push the price up for other teams (i.e. making sure the Royals had to pay full price for Gordon).

[Bob Sacamano]

i don't know the rules on this one, can the sox, if latos does rebound, offer his a QO next yr???

 

Yes they can.