LDF Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) If Fowler would have taken the QO, would the Cubs still have signed Heyward? good question, i say no, i think they have one eye on the golden ring, but the other eye on the salary and team salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Guess we'll never know. Probably, because raiding Lackey and Heyward from the Cardinals was like a double-win at least in the present. Presumably they really would have been forced to trade Soler or Baez if they had both guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:48 AM) good question, i say no, i think they have one eye on the golden ring, but the other eye on the salary and team salary. Not with the way they also spent on Zobrist, Lackey and carrying Hammel on the roster as well. They did succeed in shedding Castro's salary at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 12:50 AM) No not everyone and i suspect alot will be angry. Jackson is a nothing pickup and he shouldn't even be mentioned IMO. Fowler or go big for Puig. Puig isn't happening and while Fowler's bat is an upgrade over Jackson's, Jackson is far and away a better outfielder plus he will not cost a pick. IMHO, those factors balance the two players out. I'm not afraid of giving up the pick, just pointing out that it is a factor. The Sox currently have the 28th overall pick (comp) which valued at 1.97M in last year's draft so if it comes down to a choice between Fowler and Jackson, I'll take Jackson with his superior glove and the comp pick/slot value for June's draft to inject another quality prospect into a farm system that needs it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:45 AM) If Fowler would have taken the QO, would the Cubs still have signed Heyward? I think if there was a chance that Fowler would have accepted, they wouldn't have offered the QO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:57 AM) Puig isn't happening and while Fowler's bat is an upgrade over Jackson's, Jackson is far and away a better outfielder plus he will not cost a pick. IMHO, those factors balance the two players out. I'm not afraid of giving up the pick, just pointing out that it is a factor. The Sox currently have the 28th overall pick (comp) which valued at 1.97M in last year's draft so if it comes down to a choice between Fowler and Jackson, I'll take Jackson with his superior glove and the comp pick/slot value for June's draft to inject another quality prospect into a farm system that needs it. Just keep in mind, if the Sox sign Fowler, losing that pick is $2 million in instant savings since they don't have that draft pick anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) Just keep in mind, if the Sox sign Fowler, losing that pick is $2 million in instant savings since they don't have that draft pick anymore. Red Lobster day at the Cell and JR is buying!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) Puig isn't happening and while Fowler's bat is an upgrade over Jackson's, Jackson is far and away a better outfielder plus he will not cost a pick. IMHO, those factors balance the two players out. I'm not afraid of giving up the pick, just pointing out that it is a factor. The Sox currently have the 28th overall pick (comp) which valued at 1.97M in last year's draft so if it comes down to a choice between Fowler and Jackson, I'll take Jackson with his superior glove and the comp pick/slot value for June's draft to inject another quality prospect into a farm system that needs it. i will say this again, the bigger idea is to improve the team, to get the team to the playoff, so if loosing that QO, will hurt esp for me, i like following the draft, i understand, it to win now.... while the sox have the main core to do something. now, would there be much different in jackson vs fowler, so much more where fowler had to be the better choice?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 10:11 AM) i will say this again, the bigger idea is to improve the team, to get the team to the playoff, so if loosing that QO, will hurt esp for me, i like following the draft, i understand, it to win now.... while the sox have the main core to do something. now, would there be much different in jackson vs fowler, so much more where fowler had to be the better choice?? Draft pick aside, imo, there's an equal amount of pros and cons between Fowler and Jackson. Look up their stats and compare for yourself. My preference is definitely Jackson over Fowler but I tend to value defense pretty heavily. Also, Fowler didn't hit RHP particularly well last year, and there's alot of RHP in the ALC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 05:21 PM) Draft pick aside, imo, there's an equal amount of pros and cons between Fowler and Jackson. Look up their stats and compare for yourself. My preference is definitely Jackson over Fowler but I tend to value defense pretty heavily. Also, Fowler didn't hit RHP particularly well last year, and there's alot of RHP in the ALC. i hate to say this and think i am a yess sir kind of a person. i too what that CF'er to be way better at defense and if the production with the bat is there, then that is gravy. the defense up the middle and with a little extra hitting, plus all the improvement on the field, then count the latos being added to that pen...... how can anyone not get excited.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) i hate to say this and think i am a yess sir kind of a person. i too what that CF'er to be way better at defense and if the production with the bat is there, then that is gravy. the defense up the middle and with a little extra hitting, plus all the improvement on the field, then count the latos being added to that pen...... how can anyone not get excited.... I think Latos ends up the Sox #3 starter to break up the lefties. I'm thinking we'll see an opening day rotation of Sale, Q, Latos, Rodon, Danks. I admit that I'm optimistic Latos will be healthy to start the season and Cooper will be helpful to Latos. Latos has some nasty stuff and I think a pitching coach like Cooper is the kind of coach a guy like Latos needs to get back on track. Plus, the Sox are good at keeping players healthy. As for Jackson, his CF defense would be a huge improvement. Even if the Sox stuck with Eaton in CF, Jackson's glove in RF is light years better than Avi's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) I think Latos ends up the Sox #3 starter to break up the lefties. I'm thinking we'll see an opening day rotation of Sale, Q, Latos, Rodon, Danks. I admit that I'm optimistic Latos will be healthy to start the season and Cooper will be helpful to Latos. Latos has some nasty stuff and I think a pitching coach like Cooper is the kind of coach a guy like Latos needs to get back on track. Plus, the Sox are good at keeping players healthy. As for Jackson, his CF defense would be a huge improvement. Even if the Sox stuck with Eaton in CF, Jackson's glove in RF is light years better than Avi's. No matter where you plug Latos in, you have 4 lefties in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) No matter where you plug Latos in, you have 4 lefties in a row. I could see the Sox going with a 6 man rotation early on to keep Sale/Q/Rodon fresh for a potential postseason run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) I could see the Sox going with a 6 man rotation early on to keep Sale/Q/Rodon fresh for a potential postseason run. No offense, but I really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) No offense, but I really don't. They probably won't but that's what I'd do if I'm Robin. Sale tends to fade down the stretch, so giving him more days off would do him good, and Rodon is young and inexperienced, so he could use breaks too. Not to mention that having EJ in there would break up the lefties a little bit. Sale/Q/Latos/Rodon/EJ/Danks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I could see the Sox going with a 6 man rotation early on to keep Sale/Q/Rodon fresh for a potential postseason run. If you end up with 3 guys to rotate starting in the 4-5 hole, that's fine, but under no circumstances should the Sox be reducing the number of starts the top 3 make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Define early. Teams rarely even need a fifth starter the first 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think this is the team they're going to ST with. They're going to give Avi some time and see how he looks. I just get that sense. I mean for months all we've heard is they're going for an outfielder and have whiffed on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) or they could just go with a 5 man rotation of Sale/Q/Latos/Rodon/EJ and throw Danks in the bullpen as the long reliever. Early to me is the first few weeks of the season. If the Sox are in the hunt in July/August/September/October, then obviously we want the top 3 to start as much as possible. Edited February 17, 2016 by ChiSoxFanMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 06:32 PM) I think this is the team they're going to ST with. They're going to give Avi some time and see how he looks. I just get that sense. I mean for months all we've heard is they're going for an outfielder and have whiffed on everything. They better find someone else on offense, as they currently have no platoon partner for LaRoche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) I could see the Sox going with a 6 man rotation early on to keep Sale/Q/Rodon fresh for a potential postseason run. On a team where the top 3 are likely significantly better than the bottom 3, that would be a recipe for a terrible start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Can a mod/admin please change the thread title to: "Fowler thread that will never end because nobody is going to sign him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) or they could just go with a 5 man rotation of Sale/Q/Latos/Rodon/EJ and throw Danks in the bullpen as the long reliever. Early to me is the first few weeks of the season. If the Sox are in the hunt in July/August/September/October, then obviously we want the top 3 to start as much as possible. Would the Braves trade Markakis and some $$ for Danks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:45 AM) They better find someone else on offense, as they currently have no platoon partner for LaRoche. In very small sample size, looks like Jerry Sands could be a hitter for Lefties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 12:14 PM) Would the Braves trade Markakis and some $$ for Danks? That's a very interesting idea that I don't know the answer to. Would you guys be ok with that deal? Markakis obviously wasn't and isn't our ideal replacement for Avi, but he's solid defensively and has a decent OBP that would make him a nice 2 hole hitter. As much as I hate Danks, he does provide depth. Although he's bad, you can count on him giving the Sox 180 or more innings next year. There's some value in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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