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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 04:45 PM)
If Fowler would have taken the QO, would the Cubs still have signed Heyward?

 

good question, i say no, i think they have one eye on the golden ring, but the other eye on the salary and team salary.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:48 AM)
good question, i say no, i think they have one eye on the golden ring, but the other eye on the salary and team salary.

 

Not with the way they also spent on Zobrist, Lackey and carrying Hammel on the roster as well.

 

They did succeed in shedding Castro's salary at least.

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QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 12:50 AM)
No not everyone and i suspect alot will be angry. Jackson is a nothing pickup and he shouldn't even be mentioned IMO. Fowler or go big for Puig.

Puig isn't happening and while Fowler's bat is an upgrade over Jackson's, Jackson is far and away a better outfielder plus he will not cost a pick. IMHO, those factors balance the two players out. I'm not afraid of giving up the pick, just pointing out that it is a factor. The Sox currently have the 28th overall pick (comp) which valued at 1.97M in last year's draft so if it comes down to a choice between Fowler and Jackson, I'll take Jackson with his superior glove and the comp pick/slot value for June's draft to inject another quality prospect into a farm system that needs it.

 

 

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 09:57 AM)
Puig isn't happening and while Fowler's bat is an upgrade over Jackson's, Jackson is far and away a better outfielder plus he will not cost a pick. IMHO, those factors balance the two players out. I'm not afraid of giving up the pick, just pointing out that it is a factor. The Sox currently have the 28th overall pick (comp) which valued at 1.97M in last year's draft so if it comes down to a choice between Fowler and Jackson, I'll take Jackson with his superior glove and the comp pick/slot value for June's draft to inject another quality prospect into a farm system that needs it.

 

Just keep in mind, if the Sox sign Fowler, losing that pick is $2 million in instant savings since they don't have that draft pick anymore.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 04:57 PM)
Puig isn't happening and while Fowler's bat is an upgrade over Jackson's, Jackson is far and away a better outfielder plus he will not cost a pick. IMHO, those factors balance the two players out. I'm not afraid of giving up the pick, just pointing out that it is a factor. The Sox currently have the 28th overall pick (comp) which valued at 1.97M in last year's draft so if it comes down to a choice between Fowler and Jackson, I'll take Jackson with his superior glove and the comp pick/slot value for June's draft to inject another quality prospect into a farm system that needs it.

 

i will say this again, the bigger idea is to improve the team, to get the team to the playoff, so if loosing that QO, will hurt esp for me, i like following the draft, i understand, it to win now.... while the sox have the main core to do something.

 

now, would there be much different in jackson vs fowler, so much more where fowler had to be the better choice??

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QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 10:11 AM)
i will say this again, the bigger idea is to improve the team, to get the team to the playoff, so if loosing that QO, will hurt esp for me, i like following the draft, i understand, it to win now.... while the sox have the main core to do something.

 

now, would there be much different in jackson vs fowler, so much more where fowler had to be the better choice??

Draft pick aside, imo, there's an equal amount of pros and cons between Fowler and Jackson. Look up their stats and compare for yourself.

 

My preference is definitely Jackson over Fowler but I tend to value defense pretty heavily. Also, Fowler didn't hit RHP particularly well last year, and there's alot of RHP in the ALC.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 05:21 PM)
Draft pick aside, imo, there's an equal amount of pros and cons between Fowler and Jackson. Look up their stats and compare for yourself.

 

My preference is definitely Jackson over Fowler but I tend to value defense pretty heavily. Also, Fowler didn't hit RHP particularly well last year, and there's alot of RHP in the ALC.

 

i hate to say this and think i am a yess sir kind of a person.

 

i too what that CF'er to be way better at defense and if the production with the bat is there, then that is gravy.

 

the defense up the middle and with a little extra hitting, plus all the improvement on the field, then count the latos being added to that pen...... how can anyone not get excited....

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QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 10:25 AM)
i hate to say this and think i am a yess sir kind of a person.

 

i too what that CF'er to be way better at defense and if the production with the bat is there, then that is gravy.

 

the defense up the middle and with a little extra hitting, plus all the improvement on the field, then count the latos being added to that pen...... how can anyone not get excited....

I think Latos ends up the Sox #3 starter to break up the lefties. I'm thinking we'll see an opening day rotation of Sale, Q, Latos, Rodon, Danks. I admit that I'm optimistic Latos will be healthy to start the season and Cooper will be helpful to Latos. Latos has some nasty stuff and I think a pitching coach like Cooper is the kind of coach a guy like Latos needs to get back on track. Plus, the Sox are good at keeping players healthy.

 

As for Jackson, his CF defense would be a huge improvement. Even if the Sox stuck with Eaton in CF, Jackson's glove in RF is light years better than Avi's.

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:17 AM)
I think Latos ends up the Sox #3 starter to break up the lefties. I'm thinking we'll see an opening day rotation of Sale, Q, Latos, Rodon, Danks. I admit that I'm optimistic Latos will be healthy to start the season and Cooper will be helpful to Latos. Latos has some nasty stuff and I think a pitching coach like Cooper is the kind of coach a guy like Latos needs to get back on track. Plus, the Sox are good at keeping players healthy.

 

As for Jackson, his CF defense would be a huge improvement. Even if the Sox stuck with Eaton in CF, Jackson's glove in RF is light years better than Avi's.

 

No matter where you plug Latos in, you have 4 lefties in a row.

 

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:28 AM)
No offense, but I really don't.

They probably won't but that's what I'd do if I'm Robin.

 

Sale tends to fade down the stretch, so giving him more days off would do him good, and Rodon is young and inexperienced, so he could use breaks too.

 

Not to mention that having EJ in there would break up the lefties a little bit.

 

Sale/Q/Latos/Rodon/EJ/Danks

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I could see the Sox going with a 6 man rotation early on to keep Sale/Q/Rodon fresh for a potential postseason run.

 

If you end up with 3 guys to rotate starting in the 4-5 hole, that's fine, but under no circumstances should the Sox be reducing the number of starts the top 3 make.

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or they could just go with a 5 man rotation of Sale/Q/Latos/Rodon/EJ and throw Danks in the bullpen as the long reliever.

 

Early to me is the first few weeks of the season. If the Sox are in the hunt in July/August/September/October, then obviously we want the top 3 to start as much as possible.

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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 06:32 PM)
I think this is the team they're going to ST with. They're going to give Avi some time and see how he looks. I just get that sense. I mean for months all we've heard is they're going for an outfielder and have whiffed on everything.

 

They better find someone else on offense, as they currently have no platoon partner for LaRoche.

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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 06:27 PM)
I could see the Sox going with a 6 man rotation early on to keep Sale/Q/Rodon fresh for a potential postseason run.

 

On a team where the top 3 are likely significantly better than the bottom 3, that would be a recipe for a terrible start.

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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:33 AM)
or they could just go with a 5 man rotation of Sale/Q/Latos/Rodon/EJ and throw Danks in the bullpen as the long reliever.

 

Early to me is the first few weeks of the season. If the Sox are in the hunt in July/August/September/October, then obviously we want the top 3 to start as much as possible.

 

 

Would the Braves trade Markakis and some $$ for Danks?

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QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 11:45 AM)
They better find someone else on offense, as they currently have no platoon partner for LaRoche.

 

In very small sample size, looks like Jerry Sands could be a hitter for Lefties.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 12:14 PM)
Would the Braves trade Markakis and some $$ for Danks?

That's a very interesting idea that I don't know the answer to.

 

Would you guys be ok with that deal? Markakis obviously wasn't and isn't our ideal replacement for Avi, but he's solid defensively and has a decent OBP that would make him a nice 2 hole hitter.

 

As much as I hate Danks, he does provide depth. Although he's bad, you can count on him giving the Sox 180 or more innings next year. There's some value in that.

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