Dunt Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I just want AJax so out OF defense would be much improved. I think they have enough offense as currently constructed, but you really need competition in the OF and AJax would really help as a starting CFer or defensive replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 07:39 PM) You know I keep saying they're out of money. It's either that or there's a specific trade target they're going after. I've been thinking for a long while now that a trade is how the Sox find their upgrade. I still cling to some hope for Jackson but am not counting on it either. Cue the Ethier rumors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 07:25 PM) Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 28s28 seconds ago Sources: The expectation of O's is that they will finish deals with both Gallardo and Fowler; Fowler expected to be BAL's right fielder. Jesus f***ing Christ. I hate the Sox sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) There's been absolutely nothing linking the Sox to Fowler for a few weeks. This news isn't surprising. If they go into the season with this roster and fail again, Hahn better be held accountable. If JR doesn't give him the money to sign someone or anyone who's fault is it? Edited February 18, 2016 by Saufley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:04 AM) If JR doesn't give him the money to sign someone or anyone who's fault is it? well, Hahn did blow a lot of money last offseason on guys that ended up being garbage....so it's an organizational fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:03 AM) Jesus f***ing Christ. I hate the Sox sometimes. Careful, they'll call you out on twitter again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) If JR doesn't give him the money to sign someone or anyone who's fault is it? It may have nothing at all to do with money. It seems to have a lot to do with Hahn believing that Fowler isn't worth giving up a draft pick. I know that would drive the droves of "Sox are cheap" idiots crazy. Sox don't sign a free agent and it having nothing to do with money. Edited February 18, 2016 by HickoryHuskers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 08:05 PM) well, Hahn did blow a lot of money last offseason on guys that ended up being garbage....so it's an organizational fault. Yes it is and we know what happens to those in the organization who are loyal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 So if the Sox sign Fowler they give up their 2nd round pick? Personally that's a no brainer to me. The pick doesn't matter. He's a big big enough upgrade overall where I see no problems paying him 2/25 or hell, even 3/32. Unlike Jackson, Fowler is a "young" 29 and doesn't rely as much on his athleticism to produce. I'd 100% be on board with Fowler even with a slight over pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 08:06 PM) It may have nothing at all to do with money. It seems to have a lot to do with Hahn believing that Fowler isn't worth giving up a draft pick. I know that would drive the droves of "Sox are cheap" idiots crazy. Sox don't sign a free agent and it having nothing to do with money. If the Sox don't sign Fowler or Jackson I don't care. After the trade for Frazier I was expecting bigger things to happen. My mistake. As Fathom said maybe our targeted OF will come via the trade route. Or maybe we are done making moves. If so, we'll have more to b**** about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 03:20 AM) If the Sox don't sign Fowler or Jackson I don't care. After the trade for Frazier I was expecting bigger things to happen. My mistake. The Sox and their "no comment" stance on rumors didn't do them a lot of favors this offseason. It seems agents definitely used them as leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 If the Sox don't sign Fowler or Jackson I don't care. After the trade for Frazier I was expecting bigger things to happen. My mistake. I'm in the same boat. After the Frazier trade I started getting interested in baseball/chisox again for the first time in over 4 years or so (even brought me back to these boards ). I was/still am expecting some more upgrades to fix the glaring hole(s). Obviously the OF hole is a must. SS/DH would be nice too, but I don't think they as big as problems as that OF spot. There are so many options out there that it is frustrating for me. Fowler, Jackson, various trade routes, all of the other OF's we have seen go before us. Desmond sitting out there. I will say, regardless of anything, it has been a great offseason tho for the Chisox. Frazier trade was fantastic, Latos signing was great, Lawrie trade was solid. I will give them the benefit of the doubt for a few more weeks to finish the masterpiece off . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 AS noted earlier in the thread, Orioles looking to land Fowler: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/02/orio...est-rumors.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 08:04 PM) If JR doesn't give him the money to sign someone or anyone who's fault is it? If JR didn't give Hahn enough budget to build a winner, then he should have gone in a different direction like taking advantage of the insane prices for pitchers and sold on Quintana and/or Sale. Not adding another OF means we clearly half-assed it once again which is simply unacceptable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 08:14 PM) So if the Sox sign Fowler they give up their 2nd round pick? Personally that's a no brainer to me. The pick doesn't matter. He's a big big enough upgrade overall where I see no problems paying him 2/25 or hell, even 3/32. Unlike Jackson, Fowler is a "young" 29 and doesn't rely as much on his athleticism to produce. I'd 100% be on board with Fowler even with a slight over pay. Sox would forfeit their comp pick for shark. Would keep first pick and second round. Sox comp pick is like 27 ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) I'm in the same boat. After the Frazier trade I started getting interested in baseball/chisox again for the first time in over 4 years or so (even brought me back to these boards ). I was/still am expecting some more upgrades to fix the glaring hole(s). Obviously the OF hole is a must. SS/DH would be nice too, but I don't think they as big as problems as that OF spot. There are so many options out there that it is frustrating for me. Fowler, Jackson, various trade routes, all of the other OF's we have seen go before us. Desmond sitting out there. I will say, regardless of anything, it has been a great offseason tho for the Chisox. Frazier trade was fantastic, Latos signing was great, Lawrie trade was solid. I will give them the benefit of the doubt for a few more weeks to finish the masterpiece off . At this point, it does look like a good offseason. As many of us feel, we just don't want to see them stop short of making this team even stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Jackson put up a 2.3 fWAR last year, while Avi put up a -1.1. That's a 3.4 fWAR differential, which is beyond substantial. I also think the Safeco is a plus, as plenty of guys have turned around after leaving Seattle. As for Jackson's role on the team, he'd be our CF with Eaton moving to RF. That's a significantly better defensive alignment than Cabrera-Eaton-Garcia. And I get you're an Avi fanboy, but there is nothing to suggest Avi will get materially better at this point in time. 1,100 career PA's and he's been worth a combined -1.9 fWAR, with no signs of improvement. We're talking about a a guy who is a horrific defender & poor base runner that also has no plate discipline. The odds of him ever hitting enough to account for his other shortcomings is incredibly small. You certaintly don't risk a legit shot at a division title over it. And I'm not even advocating dumping Avi, I'd like to see him as LaRoche's platoon partner and overall insurance policy at DH & LF. Amen, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDWhiteSoxFan Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Report is Baltimore is expected to sign Gallardo and Fowler. 2 years 12-13 mil a year for Fowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (MDWhiteSoxFan @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 10:53 PM) Report is Baltimore is expected to sign Gallardo and Fowler. 2 years 12-13 mil a year for Fowler. That is an absolute steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:05 AM) well, Hahn did blow a lot of money last offseason on guys that ended up being garbage....so it's an organizational fault. and RV had nothing to do with that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:04 AM) If JR doesn't give him the money to sign someone or anyone who's fault is it? i have been saying, it is about the $$$$. is a thought, what if the sox does not get anyone of worth, or get no one else, was all this just lip service?? or how bout a 1 yr and 3-5 mil kind of player???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:06 AM) It may have nothing at all to do with money. It seems to have a lot to do with Hahn believing that Fowler isn't worth giving up a draft pick. I know that would drive the droves of "Sox are cheap" idiots crazy. Sox don't sign a free agent and it having nothing to do with money. draft picks or not, the point is to finish this job of fixing this team. the statement of the owners want another WS ..... at what point is the value of that statement, unless it is about "as long as it in the the sox budget" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:36 AM) At this point, it does look like a good offseason. As many of us feel, we just don't want to see them stop short of making this team even stronger. shades of the 90's and only 1 WS title .... the owner great legacy to the sox fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Report is Baltimore is expected to sign Gallardo and Fowler. 2 years 12-13 mil a year for Fowler. Sox could have come up with that kind of money for Fowler. Clearly they didn't think he was worth giving up a pick for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 07:03 AM) Sox could have come up with that kind of money for Fowler. Clearly they didn't think he was worth giving up a pick for. Which is fine if they have a better and/or cheaper way of improving the OF. Having said that, we're quickly running out of time with spring training about to start. Let's hope Hahn has something up his sleeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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