ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) The Sox personal finances should have nothing to do with you judging the price a player recieves on the open market. They are two separate items and need to be looked at as such. A little over 11 million dollars a year for three seasons of a 29 year old Dexter Fowler is something the Sox should have been all over based on value alone, not to mention the glaring need on this team for a RF and a top of the order hitter. I don't disagree with any of this, but apparently the Sox didn't think too highly of him at that price point. It is what it is. I'm as frustrated as anyone that Avi is still the starter, but hopefully Hahn can pull another 'rabbit out of the hat' as far as RF goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm just... Confused. The #WhiteSox claim to be broke, so if that was the case, why did they ever think trading so many prospects instead of selling was a good idea? As of right now, they projected mainly mediocre. Which is ironically what they've been a lot since 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 12:58 AM) I'm just... Confused. The #WhiteSox claim to be broke, so if that was the case, why did they ever think trading so many prospects instead of selling was a good idea? As of right now, they projected mainly mediocre. Which is ironically what they've been a lot since 2005. Seems they are trying to contend with the same payroll from last year. I like all the acquisitions this offseason but I still have no idea if they will look to rebuild if this season goes bad Edited February 24, 2016 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 11:57 PM) I don't disagree with any of this, but apparently the Sox didn't think too highly of him at that price point. It is what it is. I'm as frustrated as anyone that Avi is still the starter, but hopefully Hahn can pull another 'rabbit out of the hat' as far as RF goes i see your comment and i would like to ask one question, ref the bold, at what price would the sox have like it, not what the sox will, per the owners not wanting to spend, but what value do you see him being worth??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) The Sox personal finances should have nothing to do with you judging the price a player recieves on the open market. They are two separate items and need to be looked at as such. A little over 11 million dollars a year for three seasons of a 29 year old Dexter Fowler is something the Sox should have been all over based on value alone, not to mention the glaring need on this team for a RF and a top of the order hitter. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 04:01 PM) Seems they are trying to contend with the same payroll from last year. I like all the acquisitions this offseason but I still have no idea if they will look to rebuild if this season goes bad I think that's my main issue. The fact that they don't seem to have a set direction. All I want is to see this team be good. As of now, I'm not confident enough to say that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Title should read: "....pending physical." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 12:03 AM) I think that's my main issue. The fact that they don't seem to have a set direction. All I want is to see this team be good. As of now, I'm not confident enough to say that will happen. they do have a direction, to appear to be competing both in the fa market and in the field. ref the bold, that is all relative to what most people opinions are on the term of being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 05:58 PM) I'm just... Confused. The #WhiteSox claim to be broke, so if that was the case, why did they ever think trading so many prospects instead of selling was a good idea? As of right now, they projected mainly mediocre. Which is ironically what they've been a lot since 2005. They didn't really trade any good prospects though. They can win the division as currently constructed. I'm not a Dexter Fowler fan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (chunk23 @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 05:47 PM) If they can't afford a legit good player at a steal of a contract like the one Fowler just took, they are in far worse condition than they've let on. More and more signs that they were making "we tried" offers to OF options instead of seriously pursuing them. If they don't ultimately add another OF, I think it has more to do with the organization being high on Avi than any financial restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 12:07 AM) They didn't really trade any good prospects though. They can win the division as currently constructed. I'm not a Dexter Fowler fan though. one does not have to be a fan to realize he is still a better option than anything the sox have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 01:09 AM) If they don't ultimately add another OF, I think it has more to do with the organization being high on Avi than any financial restrictions. If true then Hahn messed up big time in his Score interview after the Frazier acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Except for 2014 because he missed 50 games, Fowler has always put up a WAR over 2.1 since 2010. There is an excellent chance this deal doesn't come back to bite the Orioles, he has been pretty consistent with the WAR, so the risk IMO is my opinion is minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 06:19 PM) Except for 2014 because he missed 50 games, Fowler has always put up a WAR over 2.1 since 2010. There is an excellent chance this deal doesn't come back to bite the Orioles, he has been pretty consistent with the WAR, so the risk IMO is my opinion is minimal. Agree and they can now move Machado to the 2 spot instead of leading off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Yeah, I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) i see your comment and i would like to ask one question, ref the bold, at what price would the sox have like it, not what the sox will, per the owners not wanting to spend, but what value do you see him being worth??? I really can't answer your question, as I have no idea of the intricacies of the White Sox finances. I'd guess that they would've been in on him in the $20-$25 million range though. Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 06:29 PM) Yeah, I don't get it. If they sign Jackson for peanuts I get it. If they trade for Ethier without giving any of our big prospects I get it. If Avi is still our primary RF come opening day then don't get it. Fowler wasn't perfect by any means, but he would have been a significant upgrade over Avi and that's all we really need to have a good shot at winning the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 06:36 PM) If they sign Jackson for peanuts I get it. If they trade for Ethier without giving any of our big prospects I get it. If Avi is still our primary RF come opening day then don't get it. Fowler wasn't perfect by any means, but he would have been a significant upgrade over Avi and that's all we really need to have a good shot at winning the division. Exactly how I feel. Not only that, but his strength offensively is OBP, something this team could really use. Let Wbreu hit with some runners on base, and someone behind him who can drive home runs, and see what happens. On the bright side, if the Orioles sign Gallardo as well, they forfeit #14 and #28 so the Sox 3rd pick moves up 2 spots. It will probably be the most scrutinized late 20s pick in White Sox history. Edited February 24, 2016 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 12:32 AM) I really can't answer your question, as I have no idea of the intricacies of the White Sox finances. I'd guess that they would've been in on him in the $20-$25 million range though. Just a guess. forgive me, i am not trying to beat the horse, but to make another point. the intricacies of the sox finance has nothing to do with what fowler market value is, and if you add a 3rd yr to what you are saying of 20-25 mil, it is right at the same price that was paid to him today. so you are right on in that thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 12:39 AM) Exactly how I feel. Not only that, but his strength offensively is OBP, something this team could really use. Let Wbreu hit with some runners on base, and someone behind him who can drive home runs, and see what happens. On the bright side, if the Orioles sign Gallardo as well, they forfeit #14 and #28 so the Sox 3rd pick moves up 2 spots. It will probably be the most scrutinized late 20s pick in White Sox history. excellent break down, for s***s and grins, what will you see has jackson in that same scenario but on the sox??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (LDF @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 06:51 PM) excellent break down, for s***s and grins, what will you see has jackson in that same scenario but on the sox??? I don't think there is any question he is a better defender than Fowler, the question would be offense. He has struggled since being traded from Detroit, and wasn't so great his last couple of months there, but he is only 29 and could bounce back. I really like him ,but really wonder about the cost, and think he hits from the wrong side of the plate for the White Sox brass. They seem to wanted a lefty bat. But OBP is really not a strength. It would be great to have a legit gold glover everywhere, but you can get by with mediocre defense in the OF at USCF. There isn't much space. Small parks, you can get away with it. The Cubs won a lot of games with Schwarber, Fowler, and Soler. Their defensive prowess is questionable at best. Edited February 24, 2016 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I don't understand why the Sox should have paid Fowler and given up a valuable pick just because he's better than what they currently have. It would have been humorous to see White Sox fans complaining about Fowler's deal next offseason though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 02:05 AM) I don't understand why the Sox should have paid Fowler and given up a valuable pick just because he's better than what they currently have. It would have been humorous to see White Sox fans complaining about Fowler's deal next offseason though. It's hard to imagine him having a worse 2016 than Melky's 2015 and there have been very few complaints about Melky this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:06 PM) It's hard to imagine him having a worse 2016 than Melky's 2015 and there have been very few complaints about Melky this offseason Which still is bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 07:05 PM) I don't understand why the Sox should have paid Fowler and given up a valuable pick just because he's better than what they currently have. It would have been humorous to see White Sox fans complaining about Fowler's deal next offseason though. That is where I disagree. The guy if he stays healthy is going to give you over a 2 WAR. He has consistently dome that. Plus it is an upgrade that may be the difference in the team's season. If he does what he has done, No one would be complaining if you owed him $23 million the next 2 seasons. Hopefully Hahn and KW and JR prove to be correct, and either they bring in a better deal, or Avi makes fools of the doubters. And they select a guy with the pick they save that eventually helps the team as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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