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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:03 AM)
I think they are in a similar position as the Sox were with Sale. There is no rush here, they have the hot property(not nearly as valuable as Sale of course), and can slow play it. They may not get a 1st and 4th, but I dont think they are getting only a 2nd back

 

I think the bears second and third this year will get it done.

 

Possibly just the Bears first based on how high it is.

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If I were Texans I would cut my losses with Osweiler and try hard for garopollo. You would have 1 year of cheap garopollo and this year they face the biggest cap hit with Osweiler and can cut him more easily after. They'd avoid paying two rookie salaries and have a difficult FA, but when you are that close, may as well keep trying til you hit.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 06:13 PM)
How many is "most of them"?

 

I still think you are a bit off on just how far away they are. They just need to get this thing rolling downhill a bit. They are getting there...

 

Just look at the Cowboys.

A majority would be good. They are pretty far away on offense, and somewhat closer on defense.

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QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:24 AM)
I think the bears second and third this year will get it done.

 

Possibly just the Bears first based on how high it is.

 

assuming they trade back, correct?

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I don't want Garoppolo. Perhaps he is good and worth the risk, but I'd rather Bears just build a formidable base like Texans/Vikings/Raiders then take shots at finding a QB vs trying to recreate Colts.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:16 AM)
I don't want Garoppolo. Perhaps he is good and worth the risk, but I'd rather Bears just build a formidable base like Texans/Vikings/Raiders then take shots at finding a QB vs trying to recreate Colts.

 

 

I think you have to find the QB. Nothing else matters.

 

 

The Vikings team and Texans team both have a ton of talent and pretty much can't do anything. Texans stumbled into the playoffs, they are at -49 net points this year.

 

Colts have pretty much done as bad a job as you possibly can in drafting and adding players and still finished 8-8.

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QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:42 AM)
I think you have to find the QB. Nothing else matters.

 

 

The Vikings team and Texans team both have a ton of talent and pretty much can't do anything. Texans stumbled into the playoffs, they are at -49 net points this year.

 

Colts have pretty much done as bad a job as you possibly can in drafting and adding players and still finished 8-8.

 

 

Completely agree. QB is #1 priority.

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QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:42 AM)
I think you have to find the QB. Nothing else matters.

 

 

The Vikings team and Texans team both have a ton of talent and pretty much can't do anything. Texans stumbled into the playoffs, they are at -49 net points this year.

 

Colts have pretty much done as bad a job as you possibly can in drafting and adding players and still finished 8-8.

 

If there was a really good qb at 3 i'd be happy to draft them, but just prioritizing "getting a QB" is not worth it.

 

edit: for example - getting Jay Cutler

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 11:30 AM)
If there was a really good qb at 3 i'd be happy to draft them, but just prioritizing "getting a QB" is not worth it.

 

edit: for example - getting Jay Cutler

Spending the 3rd pick on a QB does seem excessive when there isn't an obvious Luck, etc., in this group, but that doesn't change the reality that the Bears have to fundamentally overhaul that position this offseason. Basically, out of their top 3 QBs, which one is a valid starter next year and which one do you want back? I'd rather have the cap space than Cutler and Barkley and Hoyer didn't impress as backups - maybe you're ok with one of them as a backup but you could make a case for bringing in 2-3 new QBs based on the weakness at that position.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 10:42 AM)
Spending the 3rd pick on a QB does seem excessive when there isn't an obvious Luck, etc., in this group, but that doesn't change the reality that the Bears have to fundamentally overhaul that position this offseason. Basically, out of their top 3 QBs, which one is a valid starter next year and which one do you want back? I'd rather have the cap space than Cutler and Barkley and Hoyer didn't impress as backups - maybe you're ok with one of them as a backup but you could make a case for bringing in 2-3 new QBs based on the weakness at that position.

 

I've mentioned before, but Tyrod Taylor is likely available. Romo may be available.

 

I'd rather draft a qb that we've rated appropriately then giving up a 3rd overall pick and a 4th for garoppolo.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 10:27 AM)
At least the Bears staff gets to coach the Senior Bowl. That should give them a better look at a couple of the QBs. Supposedly, it is where Dallas became intrigued with Prescott.

 

 

None of the good QB's are at the Senior Bowl though. Trubisky, Kizer, Watson, Mahomes, and Kaaya are not there. They could see Davis Webb of Cal. That's about it it.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 10:44 AM)
I've mentioned before, but Tyrod Taylor is likely available. Romo may be available.

 

I'd rather draft a qb that we've rated appropriately then giving up a 3rd overall pick and a 4th for garoppolo.

 

 

Agree. It's easy to say all these QB's are bad because most people don't actually go on draft breakdown.com and watch 5 game sod each guy. Bears should probably take the player at #3 that they think is best available. However, if they think one of these guys is the QB that they want, then they should absolutely take him at #3 or move back a little and do it. If by some miracle Myles Garrett fell to #3, the Bears would pull the trigger I'm sure. The other defensive guys aren't a consensus though. That's really high for a DB unless they are super studs. People have Jonathan Allen up there but from what I've watched and read Stanford DL Solomon Thomas and Ohio State S Malik Hooker are the 2 best defensive players after Garrett. It's going to be a fun offseason I think.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 11:44 AM)
I've mentioned before, but Tyrod Taylor is likely available. Romo may be available.

 

I'd rather draft a qb that we've rated appropriately then giving up a 3rd overall pick and a 4th for garoppolo.

 

Yeah, Jimmy G has thrown 94 NFL passes. His contract runs up after next year, and he's going to get paid. I would hate to give up the 3rd overall pick - or even the 36th overall pick - on a guy who will be an FA after 1 year... even if you ultimately tag him in year 2.

 

I'd much rather the Bears sign a stopgap for a year (Taylor would be fine), and draft someone they like in the 2nd or 3rd round that they have cheap control over for 4 years.

 

Ultimately, the problem with waiting until there's a Luck type talent available in Round 1 to draft a QB is that you also have to be bad enough the year before to be in a position to draft that QB. The Bears can't keep kicking the can down the road at QB - particularly if they are finally going to cut ties with Jay.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 10:44 AM)
I've mentioned before, but Tyrod Taylor is likely available. Romo may be available.

 

I'd rather draft a qb that we've rated appropriately then giving up a 3rd overall pick and a 4th for garoppolo.

 

This is the way the Bears need to go, I think someone like Tyrod would do wonders in for the Bears offense with #24 behind him and a healthy OLine. Meanwhile let your draft pick watch and learn, develop at a nice pace as the 3rd stringer and let Barkley be backup. Sure he crashed at the end but there were definitely some positives in his stint.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 07:45 AM)
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He needs to add talent that can actually stay on the field. White, Goldman, Floyd, they all might be great, but if they can't stay on the field they aren't good picks. His free agents have had a tough time staying on the field as well.

Is this more on the coaching/training/strength group more than the GM?

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Tyrod Taylor is a nice back up QB. Nothing more.

 

 

If you don't think any of the qb's in this draft are going to be good, then don't take one. Odds are though that one of them is going to be good and the Bears might have a shot at all of them. You have to trust that Ryan Pace can pick the right one or not take any of them if he feels they aren't worth it.

 

It's not an easy choice to make. Bet the Browns are wishing they stuck with the number two overall pick last year and taken Carson Wentz.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 05:42 AM)
Yeah this is true. Kevin White can't be counted on. This kind of hinges on Jeffery. Jeffery and Meredith each had 800+ yard seasons with bum QB's. Jordan Howard is very good. It's clear that QB and secondary are top needs but another pass rusher, a starting TE, and more speed at WR is also necessary

We just have to hope that Kevin White emerges in year three like Demayrius Thomas did for Denver. Thomas wasn't quite as injured, but he battled quite a bit of injuries his first two years before emerging as a very good wideout.

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 06:03 AM)
I think they are in a similar position as the Sox were with Sale. There is no rush here, they have the hot property(not nearly as valuable as Sale of course), and can slow play it. They may not get a 1st and 4th, but I dont think they are getting only a 2nd back

I would be okay with the deal Greg Gabriel proposed, where you give up a 3rd or something this year and then a conditional pick next year, that could be as high as a 1st round pick (based upon how well Jimmy G plays). I don't know if Pats would do it. AJ McCarron is going to get a lot of looks as well.

 

Is the Wyoming QB going pro or staying another year? I have a feeling he's going to shoot up some draft boards (has a ton of tools).

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 07:09 AM)
assuming they trade back, correct?

What if we traded our 1st for Jimmy G and the Pats 1st? I would presume Pats would make that trade...but might be a bit of an overpay for Bears. Of course, it all comes down to how Pace & company view Jimmy. If they think he is a franchise QB, then you need to figure out a way to get him. If they are less sure, then that obviously changes the price you are willing to pay.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:30 AM)
If there was a really good qb at 3 i'd be happy to draft them, but just prioritizing "getting a QB" is not worth it.

 

edit: for example - getting Jay Cutler

Cutler didn't pan out, but I'd still make that trade every single day. Was absolutely the right move to make. Now how we built a team around the franchise QB and the subsequent moves we made, were not the right ones. Putting him behind a suspect oline, having no continuity at OC, and waiting forever to surround him with weapons, were all major mistakes.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:44 AM)
I've mentioned before, but Tyrod Taylor is likely available. Romo may be available.

 

I'd rather draft a qb that we've rated appropriately then giving up a 3rd overall pick and a 4th for garoppolo.

I don't see any reason to go after Taylor. We know what he is. I'm all for Romo and letting him bridge the gap. If you think Josh Allen or someone else that you can get in a later round is the guy, but needs time, you can bridge things that way. I'd rather have Hoyer then Taylor, to be honest. But you can't ignore QB, it is just such an important position. I suppose I could see some logic for Taylor, but I figure he's going to get too much guaranteed money.

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