2016-2017 NFL Thread

[Chisoxfn]

If we could get him for a 2nd rounder or by swapping 1st, I would be on board. I think he is a special dlineman and a huge difference maker within the D.

[GGajewski18]

If we could get him for a 2nd rounder or by swapping 1st, I would be on board. I think he is a special dlineman and a huge difference maker within the D.

 

Completely agree, and he's young enough (turning 26 I believe) that he becomes part of the core.

 

Bears have plenty of cap space in the upcoming years and only Jeffery, Long, and Fuller? to really think about extending.

[bmags]

I'm scared about paying a dlineman so soon after this FA payday.

[GGajewski18]

I'm scared about paying a dlineman so soon after this FA payday.

 

Maybe front load the deal? Bears will have to spend some money and Wilkerson is a top 5 DE entering his prime.

 

Remember, Young, Houston, Rolle, Royal, Cutler will all come off the books soon too

[bmags]

I know Wilkerson is great, and I will support any move to acquire him, I really don't think we should have to give up so much to Jets considering we will have to pay him market value.

[Chisoxfn]

I know Wilkerson is great, and I will support any move to acquire him, I really don't think we should have to give up so much to Jets considering we will have to pay him market value.

I agree, which is why my preferred scenario would be us swapping 1st rounders with the Jets (and not actually losing a draft pick). The fact that we have to pay market value (financially) minimizes what I'd give up in return.

[Chisoxfn]

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 17m17 minutes ago

These "insiders" throwing Mo Wilkerson to Bears rumors are just throwing darts at a wall. Nothing to it as of NOW

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 8m8 minutes ago

The real experts like @BradBiggs laugh at these "rumors". These so called experts are looking for followers and make stuff up

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 9m9 minutes ago

The people who get hurt by this BS are the fans who want reliable information

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 4m4 minutes ago

I've been around GM's my whole adult life. They tell nothing to the media this time off year. I've seen more lies this year than ever 1/2

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 3m3 minutes ago

2/2 more lies than ever as to this GMsaid certain things about certain players. It's 95% made up by these Twitter experts

[Jose Abreu]

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 17m17 minutes ago

These "insiders" throwing Mo Wilkerson to Bears rumors are just throwing darts at a wall. Nothing to it as of NOW

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 8m8 minutes ago

The real experts like @BradBiggs laugh at these "rumors". These so called experts are looking for followers and make stuff up

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 9m9 minutes ago

The people who get hurt by this BS are the fans who want reliable information

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 4m4 minutes ago

I've been around GM's my whole adult life. They tell nothing to the media this time off year. I've seen more lies this year than ever 1/2

 

Greg Gabriel ‏@greggabe 3m3 minutes ago

2/2 more lies than ever as to this GMsaid certain things about certain players. It's 95% made up by these Twitter experts

Hm... reminds me of all the "Yoenis Cespedes signs 4 year, 84 million dollar deal with White Sox!!!!" tweets

[bmags]

Except greg gabriel is an old coot.

[Chisoxfn]

Except greg gabriel is an old coot.

Gabriel is pretty connected to this day. I actually find his articles extremely enjoyable. This guy was successful at what he did and was in the business a long long time. If you follow his tweets this off-season, he's had a good amount of insight into Bears moves. I'd believe what he says over a lot of other items. When he says there are no current legs, I'll buy it. Please note he said "NOW". My guess is Pace has made a call and got the price and he told the Jets to call him when they come to there senses.

 

I imagine the actual list of potential suitors would be relatively small, given that I presume not a ton of teams have the cap space at this point in the off-season to make a long-term deal with Wilk work.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Gabriel is pretty connected to this day. I actually find his articles extremely enjoyable. This guy was successful at what he did and was in the business a long long time. If you follow his tweets this off-season, he's had a good amount of insight into Bears moves. I'd believe what he says over a lot of other items. When he says there are no current legs, I'll buy it. Please note he said "NOW". My guess is Pace has made a call and got the price and he told the Jets to call him when they come to there senses.

 

I imagine the actual list of potential suitors would be relatively small, given that I presume not a ton of teams have the cap space at this point in the off-season to make a long-term deal with Wilk work.

 

 

He's an asshole though. He should be a valuable resource for the many young guys interested in the draft. Many people "scout" players and create their own websites and draft guides. Gabriel talks down to most of them like they are idiots. There are many Greg Gabriel's littered throughout the league which is why there is still a ton of antiquated old thinking that leads to teams being bad year after year. Greg Gabriel has never been wrong before. Just ask him.

[GGajewski18]

He's an asshole though. He should be a valuable resource for the many young guys interested in the draft. Many people "scout" players and create their own websites and draft guides. Gabriel talks down to most of them like they are idiots. There are many Greg Gabriel's littered throughout the league which is why there is still a ton of antiquated old thinking that leads to teams being bad year after year. Greg Gabriel has never been wrong before. Just ask him.

 

I know he grills Leming constantly. Gabriel thinks he knows it all.

[bmags]

Honestly if you are a great NFL scout and reporter that should be self-evident, that he constantly finds it necessary to snipe others that are able to do what he does without having to have failed in an NFL front office tells me a lot.

[Kyyle23]

He's an asshole though. He should be a valuable resource for the many young guys interested in the draft. Many people "scout" players and create their own websites and draft guides. Gabriel talks down to most of them like they are idiots. There are many Greg Gabriel's littered throughout the league which is why there is still a ton of antiquated old thinking that leads to teams being bad year after year. Greg Gabriel has never been wrong before. Just ask him.

 

i disagree with this, he was on B&B this past season and they had him research names that he thought were going to be stars and were misses, and he came back the next week with a good long list.

 

He does hold his opinion in high regard, but you have to imagine that it is an inherent trait in a good scout, to have a big ego about what they do. My only fault with him is he really feels that the intangibles are more important than measurables.

[Y2Jimmy0]

i disagree with this, he was on B&B this past season and they had him research names that he thought were going to be stars and were misses, and he came back the next week with a good long list.

 

He does hold his opinion in high regard, but you have to imagine that it is an inherent trait in a good scout, to have a big ego about what they do. My only fault with him is he really feels that the intangibles are more important than measurables.

 

 

Try disagreeing with him on twitter. I guarantee he calls you an idiot because you never spent a 1st rounder on Rex Grossman.

[Kyyle23]

Try disagreeing with him on twitter. I guarantee he calls you an idiot because you never spent a 1st rounder on Rex Grossman.

 

I dont doubt that he talks down to us laymen on twitter, but I have heard him admit he has been wrong. Thats all i am saying

[Chisoxfn]

i disagree with this, he was on B&B this past season and they had him research names that he thought were going to be stars and were misses, and he came back the next week with a good long list.

 

He does hold his opinion in high regard, but you have to imagine that it is an inherent trait in a good scout, to have a big ego about what they do. My only fault with him is he really feels that the intangibles are more important than measurables.

I tend to agree with you, that said intangibles are more important at certain positions. For example, I think intangibles and ability to read and react to a defense are a lot more important than measurables when it comes to QB. A QB has to do certain things to be able to succeed (i.e., I could be the smartest person at reading a defense on the planet but my noodle arm can't possibly make the throws to actually execute). But how often are the most physically gifted QB's the best actual QB's, not near as often as we think. Of course QB tends to be the one position I feel that way. I view intangibles as potential reasons not to draft a player vs. reasons to draft a player (i.e., the downside of intangibles keeps you away from a guy vs. the "upside" which I feel is just gravy).

 

No one would ever say that Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Peyton Manning were ever the most physically impressive QB's in the league, but they over the past 15 years, they were arguably the most successful. On the flipside, Kyle Boller, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler, Jeff George, etc were absolute physical specimen (even someone like Kaep is physically extremely gifted as it comes to QB's). Some exceptions to this rule are Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre, who clearly were amongst the most physically gifted and best QB's in the league (and Cam can join that group if he continues to do what he's done lately).

 

That said, what sets the best QB's apart is there ability to read defenses, make quick decisions, and throw accurately (which is a physical skill). As long as they have "enough" arm, they will be fine. But the read defenses and make quick decisions are critical and even the throw accurately is followed by throw to the right spot (so not only making the right decision on who to throw to but where to throw to them based upon the coverage, etc). Hell, when you look at Brady, Brees and even Rodgers, they all got significantly better between college and the pro's.

[Kyyle23]

I tend to agree with you, that said intangibles are more important at certain positions. For example, I think intangibles and ability to read and react to a defense are a lot more important than measurables when it comes to QB. A QB has to do certain things to be able to succeed (i.e., I could be the smartest person at reading a defense on the planet but my noodle arm can't possibly make the throws to actually execute). But how often are the most physically gifted QB's the best actual QB's, not near as often as we think. Of course QB tends to be the one position I feel that way. I view intangibles as potential reasons not to draft a player vs. reasons to draft a player (i.e., the downside of intangibles keeps you away from a guy vs. the "upside" which I feel is just gravy).

 

No one would ever say that Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Peyton Manning were ever the most physically impressive QB's in the league, but they over the past 15 years, they were arguably the most successful. On the flipside, Kyle Boller, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler, Jeff George, etc were absolute physical specimen (even someone like Kaep is physically extremely gifted as it comes to QB's). Some exceptions to this rule are Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre, who clearly were amongst the most physically gifted and best QB's in the league (and Cam can join that group if he continues to do what he's done lately).

 

That said, what sets the best QB's apart is there ability to read defenses, make quick decisions, and throw accurately (which is a physical skill). As long as they have "enough" arm, they will be fine. But the read defenses and make quick decisions are critical and even the throw accurately is followed by throw to the right spot (so not only making the right decision on who to throw to but where to throw to them based upon the coverage, etc). Hell, when you look at Brady, Brees and even Rodgers, they all got significantly better between college and the pro's.

 

There is definitely a balance. He just comes off as a guy that would scratch a guy off the board because he heard one coach say that the guy wasnt a coachable guy, regardless of his on field results.

 

Sometimes you gotta draft an asshole

[Chisoxfn]

I dont doubt that he talks down to us laymen on twitter, but I have heard him admit he has been wrong. Thats all i am saying

I have too, I also agree that he can be smug and look down on people who don't do it for a living, but I also get Kyle's point that quite frankly, there is a reason these people do it for a living. I laugh at all the people who watch a few games and think they are prognosticators (that said, its fun for us to all talk about it). I am sure if any of us sat down and watched film with Gabriel, he'd identify 100 things more than we would identify when watching the exact same footage. Whether it ultimately leads to him coming up with the better answer, who knows, but it certainly should improve his probability and ability and it is why he reached a pretty high peak in his professional career.

 

This isn't some failed scout. This is a guy who knows a heck of a lot more than the Kipers of the world, imo.

[soxfan49]

I'm really warming up to the idea of drafting Elliott if he's there at 11. I like Langford, but Elliott's probably the safest player in this draft and is the best RB to come out since Peterson. I'm not willing to reach on Robinson or Jackson. Conklin might be a G or RT as is Decker.

[SoxAce]

I know he grills Leming constantly. Gabriel thinks he knows it all.

 

He hates Leming. Might be still pissed Leming has called a couple of Bears moved before it was official. He's an asshole.

[bmags]

I'm really warming up to the idea of drafting Elliott if he's there at 11. I like Langford, but Elliott's probably the safest player in this draft and is the best RB to come out since Peterson. I'm not willing to reach on Robinson or Jackson. Conklin might be a G or RT as is Decker.

 

I'm sure he's really good, I have no desire to draft a RB at 11. The difference between a really great RB and and good one seem to have marginal difference on winning you a football game.

[shipps]

I'm sure he's really good, I have no desire to draft a RB at 11. The difference between a really great RB and and good one seem to have marginal difference on winning you a football game.

 

I am with ya bmags. The defensive is starving for a fresh out of college play maker that can be an anchor for years to come. I hope they go that route unless they believe they can get a LT that will anchor the oline for years to come.

[RockRaines]

I'm really warming up to the idea of drafting Elliott if he's there at 11. I like Langford, but Elliott's probably the safest player in this draft and is the best RB to come out since Peterson. I'm not willing to reach on Robinson or Jackson. Conklin might be a G or RT as is Decker.

Decker is a tackle through and through. Drafting a RB that high is pretty dumb IMO, even as good as he is. The Bears NEED secondary and LB help, badly.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Decker is a tackle through and through. Drafting a RB that high is pretty dumb IMO, even as good as he is. The Bears NEED secondary and LB help, badly.

 

Is he a left tackle though?

 

I may be alone, but I think they're fine at OLB.

 

5T, S, LT, CB, and TE are the needs in my book.