2016-2017 NFL Thread

[Kyyle23]

Adrian Peterson is having his meniscus repaired, not trimmed. Estimated recovery time is 3-4 months, sometimes up to 6 months

[Kyyle23]

I saw 2-4 weeks on ESPN. AP is only part human though.

 

Check out Josina Andersons timeline, she has been going over it. 2-4 weeks was the estimate if he got it trimmed instead of repaired. She also talks about how he is not normal and will probably beat that timeline as well

 

Vikings also just put LT Matt Khalil on the IR too

[RockRaines]

It's not just that they're 0-2, it's how they're losing. The offense is atrocious. The defense is not good. They're WAY behind where I thought they would be, even if they weren't expected to win many games this year.

They will win about 3 games which seems about right to me. Its going to take awhile. They need picks and picks and picks and picks

[Dick Allen]

I just heard something pretty funny. The Gordie Howe hat trick is a goal, an assist and a fight. The Cutler hat trick is an INT, a fumble and an injury.

[Brian]

HAHAHAHAHHA, HE GOT INJURED! HILARIOUS!

[CrimsonWeltall]

HAHAHAHAHHA, HE GOT INJURED! HILARIOUS!

 

Relax, yo.

 

It's not like he's laughing at a player who just suffered head trauma, got crippled, or saw his career tragically cut short. The guy has a thumb injury, and this team wasn't going anywhere anyways.

[Brian]

Relax, yo.

 

It's not like he's laughing at a player who just suffered head trauma, got crippled, or saw his career tragically cut short. The guy has a thumb injury, and this team wasn't going anywhere anyways.

 

People are acting like Cutler is out because of a hangnail. The guy can't grip or throw the ball with a bad thumb injury. Is it career threatening? No. But it's legit for his position. People need to stop acting like he doesn't play through hits and injuries ever.

[CrimsonWeltall]

People are acting like Cutler is out because of a hangnail. The guy can't grip or throw the ball with a bad thumb injury. Is it career threatening? No. But it's legit for his position. People need to stop acting like he doesn't play through hits and injuries ever.

 

The joke that you responded to wasn't about him being wimpy.

[bmags]

The often outlandish criticism Cutler has received has created a built-in defense of him that is deployed even when it isn't warranted.

 

Cutler is a below average QB. But he is still a QB you can create a passing offense around. But Bears fans think below average in terms of Rex Grossman, Miller, Matthews, Orton, Krenzel, etc. Quarterbacks that would finish year with 10 or less TDs to their name, that you could not run a passing offense around.

 

But for cutler, his inability to stay healthy is a criticism, same as Romo at this point in career. How can you build a team around a QB who isn't there for 3/4s of snaps every year? And you can put all of that blame on protection, but there are things that make QBs great (getting ball out of their hand, decision making, protecting ball) that he is not great at. He just isn't that good. There are too many good QBs in the league to still consider Cutler average.

[Y2Jimmy0]

The often outlandish criticism Cutler has received has created a built-in defense of him that is deployed even when it isn't warranted.

 

Cutler is a below average QB. But he is still a QB you can create a passing offense around. But Bears fans think below average in terms of Rex Grossman, Miller, Matthews, Orton, Krenzel, etc. Quarterbacks that would finish year with 10 or less TDs to their name, that you could not run a passing offense around.

 

But for cutler, his inability to stay healthy is a criticism, same as Romo at this point in career. How can you build a team around a QB who isn't there for 3/4s of snaps every year? And you can put all of that blame on protection, but there are things that make QBs great (getting ball out of their hand, decision making, protecting ball) that he is not great at. He just isn't that good. There are too many good QBs in the league to still consider Cutler average.

 

 

He's not below average. What guys do you consider average?

[Kyyle23]

Alshon Jeffery hasnt practiced the last two days due to his knee

[RockRaines]

He's not below average. What guys do you consider average?

Yeah I dont think he's below average, but we also arent "Building a team" around him either. By the time this team is turned over and ready he's going to be gone.

Edited September 22, 2016 by RockRaines

[Y2Jimmy0]

Yeah I dont think he's below average, but we also arent "Building a team" around him either. By the time this team is turned over and ready he's going to be gone.

 

 

Oh yeah I agree with this. I don't think they'll be bad enough to take one of the top 2 QB's next year. Garoppolo could be an interesting trade option. Cutler only has a $2 million cap hit if they cut him next year but I still feel like they'll be able to get a draft pick for him if they choose that route. If you could guarantee me that they'd be horrible enough to select Kizer I'd take that deal right now. He's probably going #1 though.

[RockRaines]

Oh yeah I agree with this. I don't think they'll be bad enough to take one of the top 2 QB's next year. Garoppolo could be an interesting trade option. Cutler only has a $2 million cap hit if they cut him next year but I still feel like they'll be able to get a draft pick for him if they choose that route. If you could guarantee me that they'd be horrible enough to select Kizer I'd take that deal right now. He's probably going #1 though.

I dont think Kizer is going #1 as he's not the best QB in the draft. I also think the Bears will have a top 3 pick.

[Y2Jimmy0]

He's not below average. What guys do you consider average?

 

 

So going through the QB's in football: Newton, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees, Luck, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning, Romo, Wilson, and Flacco are better than Cutler. I'd take Winston, Wentz, Bortles, Carr, Mariota, and Bridgewater over him too. That puts him around 18 which is about right I think. I don't think guys like Dalton, Smith, Ryan, and Stafford are better than Cutler is but others probably disagree. He is what he is.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I dont think Kizer is going #1 as he's not the best QB in the draft. I also think the Bears will have a top 3 pick.

 

 

Kizer is the top QB and many draft analysts agree. Matt Miller among others are already talking about Kizer as the #1 pick.

[StrangeSox]

I just want to chime in to say that the "Cutler is soft/is a p****" stuff has annoyed me for years, and I found Dick's joke to be funny.

[bmags]

Last Year in 13 games Andy Dalton threw for 3200 yards with 28 total touchdowns and 7 Ints, 2 fumbles.

 

Last year in 15 games, in Jay Cutlers best regarded year as a Bear, he threw for 3600 yards, 22 total Tds, 11 interceptions and 5 fumbles lost

 

Alex Smith, 16 games 3500 yards, 22 total TDs, 7 ints, 0 fumbles lost.

 

Matt Ryan has taken a beating, but even last year as everyone decided he's not very good, he threw for 4,600 yards, 21 touchdowns and 16 ints, with 5 fumbles lost (12 fumbles!).

 

Stafford in 16 games threw for 4,200 yards, 32 touchdowns, 13 INTs and 2 fumbles

 

Everyone pretty much does see more attempts per game, which would account for the gross yardage almost always being in favor of other QBs, but it may also be that they are trusted with a more passing offense and don't kill drives as often.

 

If you put those QBs ahead of him (which I would), he is in the bottom 10 in the league. Flacco is the one QB I would say is most often like Jay Cutler.

[StrangeSox]

By QBR Cutler was 17 last year and by Rate he was 16.

[LittleHurt05]

So going through the QB's in football: Newton, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees, Luck, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning, Romo, Wilson, and Flacco are better than Cutler. I'd take Winston, Wentz, Bortles, Carr, Mariota, and Bridgewater over him too. That puts him around 18 which is about right I think. I don't think guys like Dalton, Smith, Ryan, and Stafford are better than Cutler is but others probably disagree. He is what he is.

 

That's two different discussions though. I'd rather have those guys because they are young. I don't know if any of them are better than Cutler right now. Especially not Bridgewater in a hospital bed. (Too soon?)

 

Last Year in 13 games Andy Dalton threw for 3200 yards with 28 total touchdowns and 7 Ints, 2 fumbles.

 

Last year in 15 games, in Jay Cutlers best regarded year as a Bear, he threw for 3600 yards, 22 total Tds, 11 interceptions and 5 fumbles lost

 

Alex Smith, 16 games 3500 yards, 22 total TDs, 7 ints, 0 fumbles lost.

 

Matt Ryan has taken a beating, but even last year as everyone decided he's not very good, he threw for 4,600 yards, 21 touchdowns and 16 ints, with 5 fumbles lost (12 fumbles!).

 

Stafford in 16 games threw for 4,200 yards, 32 touchdowns, 13 INTs and 2 fumbles

 

Everyone pretty much does see more attempts per game, which would account for the gross yardage almost always being in favor of other QBs, but it may also be that they are trusted with a more passing offense and don't kill drives as often.

 

If you put those QBs ahead of him (which I would), he is in the bottom 10 in the league. Flacco is the one QB I would say is most often like Jay Cutler.

 

The thing is though, I bet most Bengals, Lions, and Falcons fans have zero faith in those guys now anyway. They might be better than Cutler, but they are the stuck in the same blob of QBs that are just meh.

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Last Year in 13 games Andy Dalton threw for 3200 yards with 28 total touchdowns and 7 Ints, 2 fumbles.

 

Last year in 15 games, in Jay Cutlers best regarded year as a Bear, he threw for 3600 yards, 22 total Tds, 11 interceptions and 5 fumbles lost

 

Alex Smith, 16 games 3500 yards, 22 total TDs, 7 ints, 0 fumbles lost.

 

Matt Ryan has taken a beating, but even last year as everyone decided he's not very good, he threw for 4,600 yards, 21 touchdowns and 16 ints, with 5 fumbles lost (12 fumbles!).

 

Stafford in 16 games threw for 4,200 yards, 32 touchdowns, 13 INTs and 2 fumbles

 

Everyone pretty much does see more attempts per game, which would account for the gross yardage almost always being in favor of other QBs, but it may also be that they are trusted with a more passing offense and don't kill drives as often.

 

If you put those QBs ahead of him (which I would), he is in the bottom 10 in the league. Flacco is the one QB I would say is most often like Jay Cutler.

 

Flacco has that one amazing, historic run on the way to winning his Superbowl on the resume. Cutler can't sniff that level.

 

 

[bmags]

That's two different discussions though. I'd rather have those guys because they are young. I don't know if any of them are better than Cutler right now. Especially not Bridgewater in a hospital bed. (Too soon?)

 

 

 

The thing is though, I bet most Bengals, Lions, and Falcons fans have zero faith in those guys now anyway. They might be better than Cutler, but they are the stuck in the same blob of QBs that are just meh.

 

Ask them if they'd take Jay Cutler in a trade.

[Chisoxfn]

Ask them if they'd take Jay Cutler in a trade.

And ask Bear fans if they'd want those QB's. I think the answer is largely similar (with exception to Andy Dalton cause I think he's underappreciated here). There is a huge pool of Blah QB's who are on very similar paths. There are also young QB's who may never be as good as Cutler or stafford, etc, who right now some teams would rather have, but doesn't mean they actually perform better.

[LittleHurt05]

Ask them if they'd take Jay Cutler in a trade.

 

I never said they would or that Cutler is better. My point is that many of those QBs above him on the list don't seem to put their teams much closer to a Super Bowl either until you get to the very top of the list. If the Bears had one of the two Matts right now, my opinion of the future wouldn't feel much different.

[bmags]

I never said they would or that Cutler is better. My point is that many of those QBs above him on the list don't seem to put their teams much closer to a Super Bowl either until you get to the very top of the list. If the Bears had one of the two Matts right now, my opinion of the future wouldn't feel much different.

 

That is true, but the fact that we are once again in "jay out for extended period of time" territory again is the final hit to Cutler for me. Not only is he not that good, but he's not reliable, and he's paid in full for that.

 

I didn't really care if he finished out his contract prior to the start to this season. but there's no real point to keeping him around when this team is so far behind.