soxfan49 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/sto...nkings-2016-mlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) That is not bad. I would have guessed 25-28 Tim Anderson is the only guy in Law's top 100 from the Sox system. HE HATES THE WHITE SOX!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Sounds about right. Could use a LatAm and draft infusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Sounds fair to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Seems about right. Solid top 3, well below average 4 to teens, but a nice wave of younger guys behind that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I'm actually surprised Keith had them that high. He's not a fan of Fulmer which is evident with the Sox having only 1 top 100 guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) While I am an advocate of getting Fowler/Desmond cheap, imagine what 3 top 47 picks and an influx of international talent from going over the pool could do to the system. They have to replace Fulmer/Anderson... It would certainly make me feel a lot better about 2020 and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 But the Sox system is terrible!!! Worst ever!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) While I am an advocate of getting Fowler/Desmond cheap, imagine what 3 top 47 picks and an influx of international talent from going over the pool could do to the system. They have to replace Fulmer/Anderson... The unspoken talent pool is Cuba. There are a lot of guys out there if they want to go to the well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) But the Sox system is terrible!!! Worst ever!!! I actually think RH has done a good job of balancing future and present. Also, have you seen the Angels system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 What's funny is the Sox system was #12 last year, and people STILL insisted the Sox had an atrocious farm system. Imagine where we would have been ranked had we not traded our #3, #4, #5 potentially in the Frazier deal. Probably top 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) What's funny is the Sox system was #12 last year, and people STILL insisted the Sox had an atrocious farm system. Imagine where we would have been ranked had we not traded our #3, #4, #5 potentially in the Frazier deal. Probably top 15. I think even then, the consensus was that while the system had strong players, it was quite top-heavy. Not a lot of depth, which we can see now that guys have either graduated or been traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (daggins @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) I actually think RH has done a good job of balancing future and present. Also, have you seen the Angels system? Sorry, I was being sarcastic, because people act like trading away prospects this offseason made us the worst. QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) What's funny is the Sox system was #12 last year, and people STILL insisted the Sox had an atrocious farm system. Imagine where we would have been ranked had we not traded our #3, #4, #5 potentially in the Frazier deal. Probably top 15. It's because of the envy on this board of the Cubs system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 He said the Angels have easily the worst farm system he's seen in all of his years of ranking systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) While I am an advocate of getting Fowler/Desmond cheap, imagine what 3 top 47 picks and an influx of international talent from going over the pool could do to the system. They have to replace Fulmer/Anderson... I'm very excited about that possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Why does Law not like Fulmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (Tannerfan @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) Why does Law not like Fulmer? I'm guessing there is too much effort in his motion, and he's not very big. He probably thinks he will breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (Tannerfan @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) Why does Law not like Fulmer? Law seems to be very conservative about mechanics -- he's got a history of expecting guys with funky deliveries to break down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) Law seems to be very conservative about mechanics -- he's got a history of expecting guys with funky deliveries to break down. IIRC he was very down on Sale initially, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) He said the Angels have easily the worst farm system he's seen in all of his years of ranking systems.They could easily go last to first if they decide to trade Trout, and I wonder about that - he's probably the best player in baseball, but that team is getting old and bad fast. He's also going to get very expensive over the next couple years, and he won't be providing the insane surplus value he does right now. I know we often laugh off Chris Sale trade suggestions, but I wonder if the long-term health of the Angels franchise would be better if they trade Trout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (almagest @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) They could easily go last to first if they decide to trade Trout, and I wonder about that - he's probably the best player in baseball, but that team is getting old and bad fast. He's also going to get very expensive over the next couple years, and he won't be providing the insane surplus value he does right now. I know we often laugh off Chris Sale trade suggestions, but I wonder if the long-term health of the Angels franchise would be better if they trade Trout. There is no surplus value in this deal, unless you want to price Trout at say $40 million per year. At any rate, there are only a few teams that could take on the last few years of that deal without it hurting the rest of their payroll. 2016 24 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $16,083,000 2017 25 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $20,083,000 2018 26 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $34,083,000 2019 27 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $34,083,000 2020 28 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $34,085,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) There is no surplus value in this deal, unless you want to price Trout at say $40 million per year. At any rate, there are only a few teams that could take on the last few years of that deal without it hurting the rest of their payroll. 2016 24 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $16,083,000 2017 25 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $20,083,000 2018 26 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $34,083,000 2019 27 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $34,083,000 2020 28 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $34,085,000 Well, if he stays a 9 WAR player, he'd be "worth" what, $72 million/year? Obviously that's absurd, but I would guess most teams would at least view 2016 and 2017 as a worthwhile investment providing value. Beyond that, he's paid what he's "worth", but it covers his prime years, so you're likely to get good production for your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 There's still a lot of surplus value in that deal, but probably not enough to justify the obscene amount you'd have to give up to acquire him, making him pretty much untradeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) What's funny is the Sox system was #12 last year, and people STILL insisted the Sox had an atrocious farm system. Imagine where we would have been ranked had we not traded our #3, #4, #5 potentially in the Frazier deal. Probably top 15. Maybe not though. Law hated Montas and thought TT was a 4th OF. He was high on Micah though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 QUOTE (Tannerfan @ Feb 10, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) Why does Law not like Fulmer? He thinks he's a reliever long-term. Many scouts do. Law thought the same of Sale and some other funky delivery types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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