Should the White Sox go over their Intl spending pool in July?

[NorthSideSox72]

Should the Sox go over their pool and "go big" in the 2016-2017 amateur international spending period, starting in July? Lots of people have asked about this. So here's a look at the pluses and minuses of doing so.

 

So what do you think? Should they go for it?

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

Should the Sox go over their pool and "go big" in the 2016-2017 amateur international spending period, starting in July? Lots of people have asked about this. So here's a look at the pluses and minuses of doing so.

 

So what do you think? Should they go for it?

 

 

This is absolutely the year to do it. Good writeup, Matt.

[Buehrle>Wood]

I guess if ever there is a year, this is it with seemingly everyone facing penalties. That said I'm usually against it given how crap shooty the whole process is.

[Dick Allen]

The one thing I always get from a Soxfest minor league seminar is everyone raving about Marco Paddy. I think it depends on his and his team's evaluation. As the article pointed out, these, for the most part, are 15 or 16 year olds. Buddy Bell said something interesting that I didn't know. Most of these guys are training for showcases, not playing in games, so not only are they children, they aren't actually used to playing much baseball. They are training in a combine environment. They have to be taught which base to throw to, how to round bases, etc.

 

I don't think I would go over with the real young guys. The guys I would go over with are the more advanced guys . I don't think I would give a 16 year old $20 million and the league $20 million for signing him even if 3 or 4 years down the line it may look prudent.

[southsider2k5]

The biggest problem is that from the sounds of it, most of the top talent is already locked up. It is too late.

[southsider2k5]

The other thing worth pointing out is that the extra cost comes from somewhere. If we push $26 million out the door, are you willing to give up $26 million worth of talent at the major league level to invest in something that won't be here until well after 2020? We spent $3 millionish down there last year.

[NorthSideSox72]

The biggest problem is that from the sounds of it, most of the top talent is already locked up. It is too late.

 

It's in-stream. The White Sox are, like every other team, already locking guys up too - unofficially. And then based on their unofficial stack, they make a decision if it looks like they could go over. They have to decide if they're going to go big and push others out on some players with more money, or stay back. So it's not too late, nor too early - it's around the time the team will be making a call, just as other teams are.

 

The other thing worth pointing out is that the extra cost comes from somewhere. If we push $26 million out the door, are you willing to give up $26 million worth of talent at the major league level to invest in something that won't be here until well after 2020? We spent $3 millionish down there last year.

 

That's an important question, and one that I think is partially addressed by the big contracts falling off after this season.

 

[oldsox]

Good job, Northsider. Really good work. I say Yes, go for it. $4 Million is the projected pool for Sox. If they spend $8mm, the penalty increases the amount spent to $12mm. When I look at the numerous ways they have peed away money in big chunks over the years, why not?

 

Get rid of Kenny and apply his salary and bennies to the penalty, and you're part way there.

 

Seriously, do you guys know or have any idea what sort of budget number they have plugged in for this expense?

[Bob Sacamano]

Should they? Absolutely

 

Will they? Stay tuned.

[southsider2k5]

It's in-stream. The White Sox are, like every other team, already locking guys up too - unofficially. And then based on their unofficial stack, they make a decision if it looks like they could go over. They have to decide if they're going to go big and push others out on some players with more money, or stay back. So it's not too late, nor too early - it's around the time the team will be making a call, just as other teams are.

 

 

That's an important question, and one that I think is partially addressed by the big contracts falling off after this season.

 

From the sounds of what I have read, and with the system as it is now, most big named guys agree early, and then once they have their handshake, they disappear from workouts until July 2. They quit talking to scouts, and get hidden away by the signing teams. Because the relationships are mostly with the teams and the coaches or buscones, they are more worried about the long term fall out of screwing a team over, so those handshake agreements rarely get broken. I have already read stories about the teams working on the July 2, 17 class.

[Hatchetman]

Absolutely not. That would be setting a bad example to the rest of the MLB owners.

[NorthSideSox72]

From the sounds of what I have read, and with the system as it is now, most big named guys agree early, and then once they have their handshake, they disappear from workouts until July 2. They quit talking to scouts, and get hidden away by the signing teams. Because the relationships are mostly with the teams and the coaches or buscones, they are more worried about the long term fall out of screwing a team over, so those handshake agreements rarely get broken. I have already read stories about the teams working on the July 2, 17 class.

And the Sox are part of that too. So again, it's an ongoing thing. And by the way, lots of those handshake agreements get thrown out in the few months leading up to J2.

 

[OmarComing25]

The biggest problem is that from the sounds of it, most of the top talent is already locked up. It is too late.

How do we know the Sox haven't already locked up some of that top talent?

[Eminor3rd]

How do we know the Sox haven't already locked up some of that top talent?

 

How do we know that the government isn't being run by super-intelligent space monkeys that live in the center of the moon?

 

We don't, but there's no evidence to suggest that it's the case.

[southsider2k5]

How do we know that the government isn't being run by super-intelligent space monkeys that live in the center of the moon?

 

We don't, but there's no evidence to suggest that it's the case.

 

AHH THEY ARE COMING TO KILL US!

[LDF]

excellent article and a great post.

 

i have been ranting for several yrs that the sox needs to go over the budget at least once. this is needed to really add prospects to this org, that desperately need viable prospects.

 

let me show my point, Fulmer, is he a RP or SP. the sox org has the idea of a sp. but some of the sports sites, see him as a RP. whether that is one person opinion or all or any. the point is, what if he is a RP, what sp will step up next season.

 

what is going to happen when Danks leaves and even Lato? Adams is several yrs away, beck, danish, ej, do the sox really have a certified sp to step in??? if the sox wants to make trades, they really don't have the bodies to make those trades to fill in for rosters spots, except if they will be willing to use, anderson, fulmer or adams. are they going to spend money in the Fa's?? the sox has a void in the prospects, ready to step in, in key postion.

 

the point here is, the sox needs prospects to step in, and unless the sox fill the empty cupboard. the sox have a 2 yr window before they start looking for prospects to step in, 2b, cat, 3b, of'er. in 2 yrs the sox will have to make some hard decisions. after that, they may have another 2 or 3 yrs after that to have more prospects that will need to step in, again to fill in leaving players for what ever reason.

 

now going over the budget this yr, will not help for at least 5 yrs, but this org needs bodies.....

 

however there is really no handshake when money if involve. only when they sign on the bottom line.

Edited February 12, 2016 by LDF

[Al Lopez's Ghost]

Oh hell yes.

[maggsmaggs]

The biggest problem is that from the sounds of it, most of the top talent is already locked up. It is too late.

 

Here is the major problem. In theory, yes, they absolutely should. But don't just spend over the cap on players that are not worth it. SSK is most likely right, the Sox are late to the game and will not get the so-called "elites."

 

The other thing worth pointing out is that the extra cost comes from somewhere. If we push $26 million out the door, are you willing to give up $26 million worth of talent at the major league level to invest in something that won't be here until well after 2020? We spent $3 millionish down there last year.

 

This is how the franchise got bad in the first place, though. Forever, we used resources on the major league roster rather than in the draft/international signing, and look how that has worked out the majority of the time. Sometimes, all the eggs align like 2005, but usually they don't as evidenced by every other season since then.