Panerista Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 17, 2016 -> 09:48 AM) I'd actually rather have Russell as the headliner than Bryant. You are looking at a potential 5-6 WAR SS that is like 22 years old. Russell is a stuuuud. Agreed. Russell through his age is doing things Jeter and Ripken didn't do. It doesn't look as impressive to the eye, but he is really an unreal player. If I'm the Cubs, I'm not moving any two guys AND the farm for trout. I would have Russell and Rizzo off the table. Anyone else I could move, but I'm not sure. Trout is one guy who plays one position and the Cubs are stacked at multiple positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 17, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) What history? The Cabrera trade isn't even close to the same scenario. Trout is way better than Cabrera, and has more years of control than Miguel did when he was traded. Cabrera wasn't even close to the "best player in baseball" at the time he was traded either. Pujols, A-Rod, Sizemore, Utley, Wright and Mauer were all better players at the time of the trade. It's a stupid argument anyway. The Angels will struggle to move Trout. They're bound to ask for too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ May 17, 2016 -> 09:04 AM) No, it still doesn't. It would probably take most of the Cubs' 5 top 100 prospects, but not Bryant. The Halos don't really hold any cards on this. If they don't trade Trout, they're still completely hosed. Anaheim holds all of the cards here as they have zero reason to trade Trout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ May 17, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) It's a stupid argument anyway. The Angels will struggle to move Trout. They're bound to ask for too much. as well they should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) Anaheim holds all of the cards here as they have zero reason to trade Trout. There are a few reasonable reasons to trade Mike Trout. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-garrett...trout-question/ And that reality prompts the obvious question: is it time to think about trading Mike Trout? You never want to be in a position where you’re potentially thinking about trading one of the greatest players of all time. The Angels should want Mike Trout to retire having worn only their jersey, and go into the Hall of Fame as a lifelong Angel. When you have a +10 win player, you should want to take advantage of his greatness and put a winner around him. But the Angels have tried that, and thanks to some bad decisions that have long-term consequences — the Albert Pujols contract still has another $140 million left after this season — it’s not entirely clear that the team can actually do that. Their farm system isn’t just the worst in baseball; it’s the worst that anyone can remember in some time. If the Angels keep Mike Trout, and just keep trying to surround him with decent free agents while trying to build back up the prospect base, there’s a pretty good chance they’ll be a 75 win team for the remainder of his contract, and then they’ll have to convince him to re-sign another contract with a franchise that spent six years failing to provide him with adequate support. Maybe Trout just loves the Angels so much that he’d do that. But wallowing around .500 for a few years for the hope that Trout eventually chooses to pass on joining teams with better rosters and more money for the right to stay with a team that wasted his prime seems like a bad bet. And if they make that bet and then he still leaves, then all they’ll have done is put off the inevitable, while squandering the ability to rebuild the franchise entirely in the meantime. It’s not a decision the Angels want to be faced with, but Richards injury should force them to at least consider the possibility that the best path forward for the franchise is to blow this thing up. Trading Mike Trout would not only bring back an incredible return in young talent — imagine the package the Dodgers could put together — but would also allow the team to admit that it’s time to pivot, focusing on loading up with as many young players as possible, spending big on international free agency and the draft instead of throwing $15 to $20 million at another pitcher at the end of his career who might not be good enough to help anyway. This isn’t a foolproof plan, of course. Teams have traded away superstars to enter rebuilding cycles, only to see the young players they load up on all fail, and have ended up without a present or a future. Trading Trout isn’t so obviously the right move that the team should just take any offer on the table. Maybe Billy Eppler and his staff can figure out how to spend that $40 million effectively this winter, putting a winner around Trout instead of trying to build one without him. But at this point, with 2016 likely another lost year and 2017’s ability to bounce back being put into question as well, it’s time for the Angels to at least start thinking about what a Mike Trout trade would look like. And if the Dodgers or Red Sox want to overwhelm them with a crazy package of young talent, then they should at least have that discussion. The Angels were already on the tipping point, needing some things to go their way in order to justify their continued attempts at contention. Losing Richards is a significant blow not just because of how good he is, but because of how fragile the Angels hopes were. At this point, without their ace, the Angels should also start thinking about what life might look like without Mike Trout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ May 17, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) There are a few reasonable reasons to trade Mike Trout. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-garrett...trout-question/ Arte Moreno has never struck me as the reasonable and rebuilding type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) Arte Moreno has never struck me as the reasonable and rebuilding type. Understood. I am inclined to agree, but the halos situation is dire, to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Cubs sign Joe Nathan http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-cubs/cub...oser-joe-nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ May 17, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) Cubs sign Joe Nathan http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-cubs/cub...oser-joe-nathan He looked pretty cooked the last couple of years. As a flier no big deal but I wouldn't expect much to come of it for the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ May 17, 2016 -> 06:19 PM) He looked pretty cooked the last couple of years. As a flier no big deal but I wouldn't expect much to come of it for the Cubs. Rafael Soriano 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 Fran Spielman @fspielman 3h3 hours ago Wrigleyville community leaders accuse Cubs of plaza power play http://wp.me/p7fJAs-Uiv via @suntimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 16, 2016 -> 03:20 PM) Did you guys know that the Cubs players go to bars and sing karaoke? OMG, they are just like you and me, so fun!!!! Cubs players have been going to stanley's for that since I moved back downtown in 2003. Its hilarious how "new" everyone thinks it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ May 17, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) Cubs sign Joe Nathan http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-cubs/cub...oser-joe-nathan He is going right to the 60 day DL, so he can't be used until almost the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ May 17, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) Understood. I am inclined to agree, but the halos situation is dire, to say the least. Largely because Moreno has gone Daniel Snyder and often times completely ignores the advice of his baseball people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) He is going right to the 60 day DL, so he can't be used until almost the trade deadline. Hes done anyway. 41 year old coming off of surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Just saw the Cubs get out of a bases loaded no out jam in the bottom of the 12th in Milwaukee. If the Cubs win this game, in the morning be ready to hear about what a genius Maddon is instead of how the Brewers completely blew it. By the way, Joe Maddon drinks wine. #rentfree Edited May 19, 2016 by soxfan85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan85 @ May 19, 2016 -> 05:29 AM) Just saw the Cubs get out of a bases loaded no out jam in the bottom of the 12th in Milwaukee. If the Cubs win this game, in the morning be ready to hear about what a genius Maddon is instead of how the Brewers completely blew it. #rentfree Counsell managing a terrible game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 And they walk the pitcher with bases loaded. Torres always sucks against the Cubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ May 18, 2016 -> 11:42 PM) And they walk the pitcher with bases loaded. Torres always sucks against the Cubs What can you even really say, man. It is unfreaking believable. All the jackass had to do was throw strikes. There are so, so many garbage teams in the NL. As a good NL team, you always have the opportunity to right the ship because chances are you have some garbage team coming up in your schedule to get some W's. Edited May 19, 2016 by soxfan85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan85 @ May 19, 2016 -> 05:43 AM) What can you even really say, man. It is unfreaking believable. All the jackass had to do was throw strikes. There are so, so many garbage teams in the NL. As a good NL team, you always have the opportunity to right the ship because chances are you have some garbage team coming up in your schedule to get some W's. Braun being out gives the Brewers a nice minor league feel besides Carter and Lucroy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 The NL is kicking the AL's ass so far in interleague for the record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Cubs pitching has held the opposition to 1-29 with the bases loaded this year Edited May 19, 2016 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan85 @ May 18, 2016 -> 11:43 PM) What can you even really say, man. It is unfreaking believable. All the jackass had to do was throw strikes. There are so, so many garbage teams in the NL. As a good NL team, you always have the opportunity to right the ship because chances are you have some garbage team coming up in your schedule to get some W's. The regular season in the NL is easier but the playoffs will be way harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 That is some Brewers lineup today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ May 19, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) That is some Brewers lineup today Cy Hammel is gonna dominate that lineup. He is one of the best of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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