southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) I disagree with this, at least the part on the "Higher guarantee". Especially with Desmond still on the market, if Rollins were able to get a guaranteed deal from any team wanting to compete with a hole at SS, he would have done so. There may be teams that still feel they could upgrade at SS and compete, but they similarly judged Rollins not worthy of a major league contract offer. The only place Rollins would have possibly gotten a "higher guarantee" as you put it is if he went to a team that is a non-obvious contender...but even then, those teams aren't likely to spend money on a late-30s SS even if they're looking at the trade deadline. I'm guessing that's what you're imagining with a hypothetical "higher guarantee", but this is a league where Alexei only got $3 million and Rollins is older and fell off equally hard last year. I think this is probably comparable to the offers he got elsewhere...perhaps he got slightly more money as an option here, perhaps he got an earlier opt out, or possibly he may have just thought this was his best chance to make a roster. There has already been a report that Rollins turned down more money to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palehose1 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (asindc @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) Yeah! And what's the deal with signing Jeremy Guthrie, Casey Janssen, Clint Barmes, Brian Duensing, Carlos Marmol, Craig Breslow, Hideki Okajima, Fernando Rodney, Brendan Ryan, and Carlos Quentin? It works sometimes too. See Jermaine Dye, Carl Everett, Jim Thome etc. Recent veterans who had a bit of a "bounceback" or success with the Sox... If you want to go back in time how about Jim Kaat Richie Zisk and Eric Solderholm etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:47 PM) I really don't see it. The minor league contract with a ST invite doesn't sound much assurance that Rollins' has a high chance at the job. To me, it says that if Rollins can out-perform Saladino, then he will be the starter but he has to beat Saladino in ST in order to do so. I think fans are looking way too deep into this. At this point, Rollins is signed to compete for SS and as a potential depth piece, nothing more. I don't agree. He turned down more money to be here. That tells me that he believes is going to be the starter with a non-terrible spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:09 PM) So you think that Rollins is still in his prime? I guess he could be, but it seems unlikely as he's already 37 years old. This is off-topic, but this signing pretty much wipes out the chance of the Sox going after Desmond, right? No I think all of them were acquired at different times of the season for different reasons, and they weren't all brought in to fill big roles. Most were past their prime, but that doesn't mean they should be avoided at all costs. Players past their primes contribute on every team in various ways, even playoff teams. This move isn't something you list off all of the older players you can recall the sox signing and lumping them all together and complain about . It's a minor league deal, he has to win this job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) Rollins will make 2 million if he makes the club. Solid. I'll give Hahn massive credit for his ability to negotiate contracts. Rarely do you see a number the Sox sign a guy for that makes you cringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 This is fine, of course. But I pray that this isn't what Hahn/media have been referring to as "another move possible." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) This is fine, of course. But I pray that this isn't what Hahn/media have been referring to as "another move possible." He said they're still looking to add " any way we can" to improve the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) He said they're still looking to add " any way we can" to improve the club. Today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Most White Sox move ever. WTF, he better not actually make the team. edit: actually, looking at his stats maybe he should make the team. He hasn't cratered quite as much as I thought. Edited February 22, 2016 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) I don't agree. He turned down more money to be here. That tells me that he believes is going to be the starter with a non-terrible spring. Then why didn't Rollins get a guaranteed MLB contract if the Sox are that confident in Rollins being the starting SS? Nothing in Hahn's comments indicate Rollins is a sure thing to start at SS. "We envision Jimmy contributing both on and off the field," Rick Hahn, White Sox senior vice president/general manager, said in the club's statement. "He provides us with another quality infield option with the potential to play a variety of roles, as well as another significant positive presence inside our clubhouse." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:09 PM) So you think that Rollins is still in his prime? I guess he could be, but it seems unlikely as he's already 37 years old. This is off-topic, but this signing pretty much wipes out the chance of the Sox going after Desmond, right? This is a minor league deal. Those were all major league deals/trades involving prospects. Dunn and arguably LaRoche also doesn't belong on that list, either. Nor Jones, neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) There has already been a report that Rollins turned down more money to come here. You seem to be applying much less skepticism to those reports this year than you do to other reports regarding the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) Then why didn't Rollins get a guaranteed MLB contract if the Sox are that confident in Rollins being the starting SS? Nothing in Hahn's comments indicate Rollins is a sure thing to start at SS. Yes. I think he picked the White Sox because he thought he had a better shot at starting. Probably with the other teams, he was going to be a utility guy. Maybe that is what he is here, or maybe he doesn't make the team. All I know is that if he is starting, he outplayed Saladino, so he should be starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) Then why didn't Rollins get a guaranteed MLB contract if the Sox are that confident in Rollins being the starting SS? Nothing in Hahn's comments indicate Rollins is a sure thing to start at SS. Why would they give out a bigger contract than they needed to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) I'll give Hahn massive credit for his ability to negotiate contracts. Rarely do you see a number the Sox sign a guy for that makes you cringe. Hahn's secret negotiating tactic is to have a poor roster with tons of giant holes so free agents feel they will get a better opportunity and hence take less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) Then why didn't Rollins get a guaranteed MLB contract if the Sox are that confident in Rollins being the starting SS? Nothing in Hahn's comments indicate Rollins is a sure thing to start at SS. He's betting on his own skill, like many free agents out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) Yes. I think he picked the White Sox because he thought he had a better shot at starting. Probably with the other teams, he was going to be a utility guy. Maybe that is what he is here, or maybe he doesn't make the team. All I know is that if he is starting, he outplayed Saladino, so he should be starting. This is exactly how I see it DA. The ML contract, ST invite and incentives based on him making the team tells me Rollins has to earn the starting job and is not guaranteed anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) He's betting on his own skill, like many free agents out there. He is, I don't deny that. Given the limited amount teams (very, very few) in need of a starting SS, the Sox probably give him the best chance at being a starter IF he can outplay Saladino. Hahn even said Rollins could be used in other roles so by no means is Rollins guaranteed anything outside of being given a chance to compete, nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) Why would they give out a bigger contract than they needed to? Obviously they didn't need to but given the terms of the deal and Hahn's comments, there's absolutely no reason to think Rollins is guaranteed anything other than a shot, that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) Obviously they didn't need to but given the terms of the deal and Hahn's comments, there's absolutely no reason to think Rollins is guaranteed anything other than a shot, that's it. I am not saying it is 100% done. But I do believe he is getting a 5 meter head start in a 100 meter run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Jimmy Rollins = future MLB Manager, somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) This is fine, of course. But I pray that this isn't what Hahn/media have been referring to as "another move possible." One of the beat writers tweeted that Hahn emphasized that he may have " one more move left in him" prior to opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) One of the beat writers tweeted that Hahn emphasized that he may have " one more move left in him" prior to opening day. That was said today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Kenny Williams loves his declining and washed up veterans and the org is scared to high heaven of playing young position players. Edited February 22, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) That was said today? Yes. I need to find it. May have been Kane or Santos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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