Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/02/mlb-trade...rankings-part-1 Keri has Jose Quintana as an honorable mention this year and he has Carlos Rodon as #42. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Even a bright guy like Keri is severely underrating Quintana. Mass perception is a strange thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (daggins @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) Even a bright guy like Keri is severely underrating Quintana. Mass perception is a strange thing. Yeah I'm not sure that Tijuan Walker has more trade value than Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'm pretty certain Q will just have to get a 15 win season for people to take notice. For all the talk about "wins" not being good to evaluate a pitcher, you can tell its dragging him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 ref Q, i am with those that are saying that he will need to produce wins to show his value. other than that, he will never get his just recognition. now, if he doesn't, will that mean, that we, the fans of everything about the white sox maybe are being to bias??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) ref Q, i am with those that are saying that he will need to produce wins to show his value. other than that, he will never get his just recognition. now, if he doesn't, will that mean, that we, the fans of everything about the white sox maybe are being to bias??? Nah. Advanced metrics have pretty much made him a top 15-20 pitcher in baseball. His numbers are pretty identical to Lester and most would consider him an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) Nah. Advanced metrics have pretty much made him a top 15-20 pitcher in baseball. His numbers are pretty identical to Lester and most would consider him an ace. thanks for that info. but i am looking at the idea of perception. but that is the key, however many, like you can look thru that fluff and see the real truth in the Sabe. really great post you made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Quintana has just been on a losing team his entire career and doesn't throw 97mph so most people overlook him and would call him a "good #3 on a contending team". I feel like in the court of public opinion, your team's success has something to do with your perceived value as a pitcher. Guys that break that usually have what Hawk would call "Nintendo Stuff" like Sale or Kazmir back when the Rays sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Lester has/had all that postseason and World Series experience on his resume...unless you're Kershaw or Price, you have to prove yourself in October, be a #1 draft pick or have filthy stuff to register on most radar screens. If Quintana pitched on all those Braves' teams in the 1990's, he'd be Glavine-lite. Edited March 2, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Part 2 http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/03/mlb-trade...rankings-part-2 Abreu at 24th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Third and final part. Sale at 12, and for once there's a pitcher ahead of him - Archer at 11. Can't get too upset with that given the two extra years Archer's deal has, but still doesn't quite feel right. Sale's just better. http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/04/mlb-trade...rankings-part-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (shysocks @ Mar 4, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) Third and final part. Sale at 12, and for once there's a pitcher ahead of him - Archer at 11. Can't get too upset with that given the two extra years Archer's deal has, but still doesn't quite feel right. Sale's just better. http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/04/mlb-trade...rankings-part-3 That two years is a BIG deal, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Mar 4, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) That two years is a BIG deal, though. Sure, but if Sale gets 6 WAR per year and Archer gets 4 then they both come in at 24, only Sale's would be bunched up closer to now and he'd win on the present value calculation. Like I said, I can't complain too hard. It's close. Depends how you project them, but 6-to-4 seems pretty reasonable and it's not like Archer is some breakout 24-year-old. He's older than Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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