Putnam and Petricka both have small injuries

[southsider2k5]

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/no-con...m-jake-petricka

[ptatc]

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/no-con...m-jake-petricka

Stretching is the #1 cause of muscle injuries. I'm amazed people still do it. Especially at the professional level.

[pettie4sox]

So you shouldn't stretch? That doesn't sound very kosher.

[ptatc]

So you shouldn't stretch? That doesn't sound very kosher.

No you shouldn't unless you have a decreased range of motion that inhbits movement. Over the past decade or so research shows that stretching normal muscle not only causes more muscle injuries but actually decreases power and endurance performance. Instead of stretching, dynamic warmups and cool downs are much more effective.

[Eminor3rd]

No you shouldn't unless you have a decreased range of motion that inhbits movement. Over the past decade or so research shows that stretching normal muscle not only causes more muscle injuries but actually decreases power and endurance performance. Instead of stretching, dynamic warmups and cool downs are much more effective.

 

So like jumping jacks?

[southsider2k5]

No you shouldn't unless you have a decreased range of motion that inhbits movement. Over the past decade or so research shows that stretching normal muscle not only causes more muscle injuries but actually decreases power and endurance performance. Instead of stretching, dynamic warmups and cool downs are much more effective.

 

Interesting. You are the first person I have heard say that.

[ptatc]

So like jumping jacks?

More full range activities like

the monster walks where you have your arms straight out and kick them with knees straight

, jogging with raising your knees high,

jogging while kicking your butt with your heels,

 

[ptatc]

Interesting. You are the first person I have heard say that.

Most sports programs should be moving towards it. Many high schools around here are removing the passive stretching from the practice routine.

[pettie4sox]

Thanks for the advice ptatc!

[Dick Allen]

The first time I heard it was concerning DRose. He never stretched but was starting to after all his leg injuries that weren't his knees. The trainer said stretching would make him a little less explosive. I thought that odd, but things change. They used to tell you if you had to drink water while exercising to spit it out. Now it's important to remain hydrated. I have flat feet. When I was a child they made me wear these hard shoes. Now they tell you to wear soft ones.

 

But this one does make some sense. My wife is a yoga freak, but a couple of times a year she hurts herself in classes and takes a couple of weeks off.

[ptatc]

The first time I heard it was concerning DRose. He never stretched but was starting to after all his leg injuries that weren't his knees. The trainer said stretching would make him a little less explosive. I thought that odd, but things change. They used to tell you if you had to drink water while exercising to spit it out. Now it's important to remain hydrated. I have flat feet. When I was a child they made me wear these hard shoes. Now they tell you to wear soft ones.

 

But this one does make some sense. My wife is a yoga freak, but a couple of times a year she hurts herself in classes and takes a couple of weeks off.

The flat feet is another one we've learned with experience. I used to make dozens of hard orthtics for patients costing hundreds of dollars. Now we've found that all we did was cause more issues later up the leg and that the 20.00 ones at sporrs authority are more effective.

[southsideirish71]

Most sports programs should be moving towards it. Many high schools around here are removing the passive stretching from the practice routine.

 

We don't do normal stretching for my sons travel team. Its dynamic warmups and jaeger bands.

Edited March 14, 2016 by southsideirish71

[ptatc]

We don't do normal stretching for my sons travel team. Its dynamic warmups and jaeger bands.

Yes, those are much more effective.

[southsider2k5]

Most sports programs should be moving towards it. Many high schools around here are removing the passive stretching from the practice routine.

 

I don't want to sound like I am doubting you, because I don't have boots on teh ground the way that you do, I am just blown away to hear that because it is 180 degrees different from anything I have ever heard. Is there a study or something out there I can read up on? Or at least one simple enough for a layman to understand?

[OmarComing25]

I had always heard that stretching before physical activity is more harmful than beneficial, but that stretching afterwards is important. This is interesting.

[Jose Abreu]

Dynamic stretching is definitely better than static stretching.

[chitownsportsfan]

def agree with ptac from my reading (and I'm pretty into fitness) it's gone from "stretch before working out" to "stretch after working out" to "maybe stretch after working out but def do a dynamic warmup before hand".

 

I don't think it's settled science that you should never do static stretching but it's certainly not some must do thing anymore to "prevent injuries".

[ptatc]

I don't want to sound like I am doubting you, because I don't have boots on teh ground the way that you do, I am just blown away to hear that because it is 180 degrees different from anything I have ever heard. Is there a study or something out there I can read up on? Or at least one simple enough for a layman to understand?

I'll post a reference list when I get back to work. i'm on break now. There was one study that looked at 1,000 runners and did a blinded project and found the increase in injuries and decrease in performance.

 

This is a 180 from what i learned in school as well. It's mostly been in the last decade or so that it has really been studied.

[ptatc]

I don't want to sound like I am doubting you, because I don't have boots on teh ground the way that you do, I am just blown away to hear that because it is 180 degrees different from anything I have ever heard. Is there a study or something out there I can read up on? Or at least one simple enough for a layman to understand?

Here is a list of references from a runners talk i did a few years ago. You should be able to find most. I couldn't get it to upload so he it is in a long post.

 

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Cardiac and metabolic demands of in place shallow water running in trained and untrained men. J Sports Med Phys Fitness 2008 Jun; 48(2): 183-9

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Impact of training intensity distribution on performance in endurance athletes. Source: J Strength Cond Res 2007 Aug; 21(3): 943-9

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Epidemiology and aetiology of marathon running injuries. Source: Sports medicine (Auckland, N.Z.) (Sports Med) 2007; 37(4-5): 437-9

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Force enhancement during and following muscle stretch of maximal voluntarily activated human quadriceps femoris. Eur J Appl Physiol 2007 Aug; 100(6): 701-9

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[SoxAce]

Interesting. You are the first person I have heard say that.

 

No kidding. I usually stretch first and then do a warmup like the butt kicks. Never heard of that.

[southsider2k5]

Here is a list of references from a runners talk i did a few years ago. You should be able to find most. I couldn't get it to upload so he it is in a long post.

 

Awesome, thanks!

[southsider2k5]

Putnam is back.

 

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/168...ok-after-injury