Adam LaRoche retires

[Dick Allen]

Both KW and LaRoche are spinning their version of events. Both need to be gone, IMO.

LaRoche isn't spinning his story at all. When he said the kid was totally banned, we had never heard it before, then KW told Nightengale, that he just remembered, that did happen. He knew he forgot something his first attempt.

 

 

It will be fascinating to see how the Sox attempt to spin their way out of this. Yeah we agree to it to get him signed, yeah we gave the kid a locker and a uniform, yeah we vetted it with the Nats and knew he would be here quite often. Yeah he was doing it all last year and the first couple weeks of spring training. Yeah we told him to cut it back, and break our agreement, yeah he didn't go for it, yeah we then said the kid couldn't come around anymore. Yeah we told you a few different stories, but really we didn't do anything wrong.

 

The saddest part to me is the national play will make the Sox appear anti-kid, when they probably are for fans, as kid friendly as any major league team. Only the White Sox.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Dick Allen

[fathom]

LaRoche isn't spinning his story at all. When he said the kid was totally banned, we had never heard it before, then KW told Nightengale, that he just remembered, that did happen. He knew he forgot something his first attempt.

 

He conveniently left out the part that he didn't adhere to the club's wishes about dialing it back before KW said no access at all. Maybe that will be in the 2nd part of his letter in which he thanks the fans and doesn't plug his company.

[Dick Allen]

Assuming KW is Bozo. Who plays the role of the Hulk Hogan look alike, Cooky?

It has to be Hahn. KW always throwing pies in his face.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

He conveniently left out the part that he didn't adhere to the club's wishes about dialing it back before KW said no access at all. Maybe that will be in the 2nd part of his letter in which he thanks the fans and doesn't plug his company.

He said he was asked to cut it back. It is there in his letter. He didn't have to cut it back, the team agreed to his arrangement. Why is it OK to break deals? JR didn't like it when Horace Grant broke his deal. What did you think of DeAndre Jordan last summer?

[fathom]

Another thing to keep in mind with KW falling on the sword is do you really think he wants to let Chris Sale now if it was Navarro or Avila that came to him? Given how emotional Sale and Eaton are, I kinda hope the complainers remain anonymous.

[Leonard Zelig]

If it was breaking a previous agreement, yes. Besides, it doesn't appear KW has much respect from the clubhouse. Telander may be on to something. But the battles against KW didn't just begin.

 

He appears he is turning into a Jerry Crumbs Krause type. The Bulls players and coaches hated Crumbs.

 

DA, you keep bringing up the handshake agreement. LaRoche said in his statement, "Though I clearly indicated to both teams the importance of having my son with me, I also made clear that if there was ever a moment when a teammate, coach or manager was made to feel uncomfortable, then I would immediately address it."

 

KW talked to him about it and it seems he did not address it immediately or a week later. AL may have broken the agreement first.

[fathom]

He said he was asked to cut it back. It is there in his letter. He didn't have to cut it back, the team agreed to his arrangement. Why is it OK to break deals? JR didn't like it when Horace Grant broke his deal. What did you think of DeAndre Jordan last summer?

 

Oh come on, he said he would address it if there were complaints. I'm sure when they came to the agreement when he signed that he said "if anyone but Kenny Williams or Jerry Reinsdorf asks me to make a change, I will do so".

[BigHurt3515]

He said he was asked to cut it back. It is there in his letter. He didn't have to cut it back, the team agreed to his arrangement. Why is it OK to break deals? JR didn't like it when Horace Grant broke his deal. What did you think of DeAndre Jordan last summer?

 

I can't believe you aren't tired of talking about this already.

[Dick Allen]

DA, you keep bringing up the handshake agreement. LaRoche said in his statement, "Though I clearly indicated to both teams the importance of having my son with me, I also made clear that if there was ever a moment when a teammate, coach or manager was made to feel uncomfortable, then I would immediately address it."

 

KW talked to him about it and it seems he did not address it immediately or a week later. AL may have broken the agreement first.

KW isn't one of those things though. And we have no idea what KW told him. A player or a coach or a manager had a problem, he may have just said he had a problem. If you take KW at his first word, he just said he asked him to dial it back. That isn't saying his presence was making a teammate or coach or manager uncomfortable.

 

And addressing it doesn't necessarily mean not coming in. It could mean avoiding the player or coach or many other things.

 

If it bothered KW, I am fine with him asking, but LaRoche IMO had every right to say no. Then IMO, KW should have dropped it. He would have dropped it if a productive player retired, and would be considered a massive idiot by many praising him now mentioning who brings their kids to work over losing a player over something so trivial.

It wasn't Romper room. The kid is 14, and held his own. Remained quiet, worked around the clubhouse, and didn't cause problems.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Dick Allen

[Dick Allen]

Oh come on, he said he would address it if there were complaints. I'm sure when they came to the agreement when he signed that he said "if anyone but Kenny Williams or Jerry Reinsdorf asks me to make a change, I will do so".

 

He said he would address the issue if he made a teammate, coach or manager uncomfortable. Why is the only way to address the issue doing what KW wants?

 

And what exactly did KW say to him? What if the conversation was, can you dial it back a bit, and LaRoche said you know I have an agreement he can be around as much as I wish.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Dick Allen

[TaylorStSox]

I find it amazing how many people are invested in this soap opera. Everyone involved looks like an asshole.

[bmags]

Maybe, but we are finally rooting out the liars that were on Horace Grant's side 20 years ago. Finally, justice is served and it is SWEET.

[Dick Allen]

Maybe, but we are finally rooting out the liars that were on Horace Grant's side 20 years ago. Finally, justice is served and it is SWEET.

What it shows is JR expects people to keep their word. I would imagine that includes his employees.

[EvilMonkey]

? What if the conversation was, can you dial it back a bit, and LaRoche said you know I have an agreement he can be around as much as I wish.

Then LaRoche would be a bigger asshole than he appears to many now.

[Leonard Zelig]

KW isn't one of those things though. And we have no idea what KW told him. A player or a coach or a manager had a problem, he may have just said he had a problem. If you take KW at his first word, he just said he asked him to dial it back. That isn't saying his presence was making a teammate or coach or manager uncomfortable.

 

And addressing it doesn't necessarily mean not coming in. It could mean avoiding the player or coach or many other things.

 

If it bothered KW, I am fine with him asking, but LaRoche IMO had every right to say no. Then IMO, KW should have dropped it. He would have dropped it if a productive player retired, and would be considered a massive idiot by many praising him now mentioning who brings their kids to work over losing a player over something so trivial.

It wasn't Romper room. The kid is 14, and held his own. Remained quiet, worked around the clubhouse, and didn't cause problems.

 

KW isn't one of those, and we don't know what KW said. But we also don't know what the original verbal agreement was. There are a lot of assumptions going around including your stance about the agreement since nobody really knows what was agreed on.

[southsider2k5]

Isn't in the realm of possibility KW didn't mention a player or manager or coach was made uncomfortable?

 

KW never mentioned he told him someone was uncomfortable except maybe himself, and he isn't on the list LaRoche mentioned.

 

It doesn't matter. He said they could address it with him and he would fix it. A deal is a deal.

[Black_Jack29]

KW isn't one of those, and we don't know what KW said. But we also don't know what the original verbal agreement was. There are a lot of assumptions going around including your stance about the agreement since nobody really knows what was agreed on.

 

It's worth pointing out that, in LaRoche's statement, he said that if there was a problem with his son being in the clubhouse, he "would address it." That strongly implies that he was flexible with Drake's access. Kenny told him that there was a problem and LaRoche apparently didn't comply with the requested change.

 

I don't like the way that Kenny handled this, but it's pretty clear to me that LaRoche wanted to be around his kid more than he wanted to play professional baseball. So I don't care all that much about his hurt feelings.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Black_Jack29

[Reddy]

This whole thing blows. Eaton was my favorite player on the squad - but after this? I couldn't care less if they traded both him and Sale when given the opportunity. And after seeing bucket's take, I'm definitely #teamkenny

 

(side note: meet the new and improved Reddy. It's been a while )

[fathom]

Serious question....what does Drake do now? Has no classes to attend

[iamshack]

This whole thing blows. Eaton was my favorite player on the squad - but after this? I couldn't care less if they traded both him and Sale when given the opportunity. And after seeing bucket's take, I'm definitely #teamkenny

 

(side note: meet the new and improved Reddy. It's been a while )

Reddy!

[iamshack]

Serious question....what does Drake do now? Has no classes to attend

Whatever the heck his dad does?

[Reddy]

Reddy!

 

[The Beast]

Are the White Sox on the hook for any amount of LaRoche's salary this year? Someone I know is trying to tell me the contracts are guaranteed and that they owe him his salary this year.

[Lip Man 1]

USA Today story. Claims Sox players and coaches complained:

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/nighte...amp;ocid=onepro

 

Mark

[Balta1701]

Are the White Sox on the hook for any amount of LaRoche's salary this year? Someone I know is trying to tell me the contracts are guaranteed and that they owe him his salary this year.

Only if he un-retires. There may be a small portion of it that they'd have to pay to cover the time he was present in ST, not sure exactly how those are structured, whether there is money included for ST or just for the 162 game season.

 

While retired he receives no payment for the time he's gone. Were he to un-retire the White Sox would be on the hook for that deal again and he would be required to show up and meet his part of the contract - should he try to unretire while not showing up or something like that the White Sox could fine him for his absences and failure to meet his contract.