Dick Allen Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:44 PM) Ok, so let's just throw this out there... Did Kenny act alone and get the exact reaction he wanted? I think he acted alone. I don't think he anticipated a retirement. If he did, he probably would have acted last July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:44 PM) Ok, so let's just throw this out there... Did Kenny act alone and get the exact reaction he wanted? I don't think there's any chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) It was every day this spring. It isn't every day during the season. He plays on 2 baseball teams. One in Kansas and one in Chicago. According to Dan Hayes, he is there more than most. He also said he is the most behaved kid he has ever met. He said a lot of the White Sox will genuinely miss him. I wonder when JR will have Gar tell DRose to give the father/son time at the UC a rest. Right, because these situations are very comparable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 11:44 PM) Ok, so let's just throw this out there... Did Kenny act alone and get the exact reaction he wanted? No chance he acted alone, and no, I don't think they thought he would retire. If so, they have this talk 3 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I don't think KW wanted to create this much controversy in the clubhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) Not every f***ing day. We can't help you now. You fell into the vortex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I have a lot of respect for LaRoche, sticking to his beliefs on how he wants to raise his child but I agree with the Sox, his child doesn't need to be there every day. I hope they give Morneau a shot and wait to use the money at the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:45 PM) I think he acted alone. I don't think he anticipated a retirement. If he did, he probably would have acted last July. Last July, he was still under contract for a year and a half. I'm saying, is he doing this mid-spring training with a "win now" season upon us, and saw an opportunity to potentially get 13 mil off the books? If that's what he did, it's pretty brilliant and also evil. On the other hand, LaRoche should have dialed it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) No reason his kid has to be there everyday period! Have no issue with KW on this. Edited March 16, 2016 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:49 PM) Last July, he was still under contract for a year and a half. I'm saying, is he doing this mid-spring training with a "win now" season upon us, and saw an opportunity to potentially get 13 mil off the books? If that's what he did, it's pretty brilliant and also evil. On the other hand, LaRoche should have dialed it back. If it would have caused him to quit, he could have saved the team another $6 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:53 PM) If it would have caused him to quit, he could have saved the team another $6 million. Yes, but it would be harder for LaRoche to do that mid-season. In the middle of spring training while his kid is there and his back is bothering him, it's a much easier decision for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Nightengale seems to think LaRoche won't end up retiring. That would truly suck http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/colum...liams/81885844/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 This is such an odd sorry. It puts a bad taste in my mouth as a White Sox fan and as a family man. First off, I think each team needs to establish boundaries in regards to family being allowed in the clubhouse, on the field, on the plane and the frequency of each event. It appears as if communication was very poor in regards to La Roche and White Sox management prior to Drake coming to Spring Training on a daily basis. I do know Drake was there just about everyday last spring as wel. So what's with the sudden change in 'rules'? Is it because La Roche is coming off a horrible season and at 13 million, the Sox want him to take season preparations more seriously? If that is the case, the organization is being too inconsistent with rules. In this case, I understand how La Roche would be upset. If it was fine before-- it should be fine now. Now does it warrant a sudden retirement? Does it warrant him not being willing to compromise with management? Or simply was this the excuse he needed to step away and have the ability to spend all the time he wants with his family. Let's face it, I'm sure he was aware of his offensive decline and overall concern to be a productive DH full time. Regardless of any opinion in this matter, it's simply a sad situation for both parties involved. The outside comments coming from players around the league are a bit unfair to the white sox organization. I for one know how much they care about their players and their families. The White Sox are simply taking this spring extremely serious. They NEED to have successful season and I believe because of this.. The urgency is there more than ever before to make the playoffs. I believe that not only is Robins job on the line, but KW's job is in jeopardy this season as well. KW is trying to set the tone now. Unfortanatey for him and the team-- he should have established these boundaries prior to the 2014 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 People ask what has changed since last year, and a logical answer is that some of the new players on the roster came into Spring Training and were shocked at how often he was around. The newcomers on this roster are much more vocal than a majority of the roster was last year. If even one player felt uncomfortable about it, then KW had every right to ask LaRoche to dial it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) People ask what has changed since last year, and a logical answer is that some of the new players on the roster came into Spring Training and were shocked at how often he was around. The newcomers on this roster are much more vocal than a majority of the roster was last year. If even one player felt uncomfortable about it, then KW had every right to ask LaRoche to dial it back. Perfect and agreed. And if they want to focus on being a better team and they feel some of that focus is going towards his son's presence, they have every right to let him know he needs to dial it back a bit. Edited March 17, 2016 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) People ask what has changed since last year, and a logical answer is that some of the new players on the roster came into Spring Training and were shocked at how often he was around. The newcomers on this roster are much more vocal than a majority of the roster was last year. If even one player felt uncomfortable about it, then KW had every right to ask LaRoche to dial it back. If Jose Anreu or Chris Sale brought their kid to the clubhouse every day this spring and Brett Lowry didn't like it, do you really think KW would have done the same thing? That is the one question to me is most important. KW talked about being fair, but I think, and perhaps incorrectly, LaRoche's status as a player had something to do with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) Nightengale seems to think LaRoche won't end up retiring. That would truly suck http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/colum...liams/81885844/ That's not how I read it. He's saying he shouldn't retire over this, not that he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 let's cut to the chase: has he filed his paperwork with the league office or what? I'd sleep better tonight knowing his moronic ass and 13 million are off the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) If Jose Anreu or Chris Sale brought their kid to the clubhouse every day this spring and Brett Lowry didn't like it, do you really think KW would have done the same thing? That is the one question to me is most important. KW talked about being fair, but I think, and perhaps incorrectly, LaRoche's status as a player had something to do with this. Most great coaches have a phrase "everyone is equal in their own way". You don't treat Michael Jordan like Steve Kerr. Treating everyone the same is a great way to fail as a coach in pro sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 05:11 PM) How do we know that Ventura did not approach him and he told Ventura to get lost? Same thing with Hahn? M I actually now find this story pretty damn funny becasue the Sox win across the board in this and LaRoche looks like a tool. Or do we know that the players went to Ventura first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 05:56 PM) Still confused as to which is true, or more true. There are 25 players on the roster, and something like 100 in and out of camp with the team. There is plenty of room for some guys to hate it and complain, while others it pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Maybe we'll hear from Ventura on Friday about this. Hopefully the campaign of the players to convince him to come back will go nowhere. It's a s***ty story. Nobody looks good here at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) The "heated clubhouse meeting" between KW and the team is what's throwing me off from thinking both are true Go to a meeting of your local City Council. It only takes two pissed off people to make things a "heated meeting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:24 PM) I'm gonna comment first, then read all your comments so to not let them influence me. Yes I despised LaRoche perhaps more than any other player in Sox history. But now, after reading Kenny Williams wouldn't let him bring his son to the clubhouse every day, I have changed my tune. I would gladly see LaRoche hit .150 with 80 percent strikeouts if it meant bringing him back to stick it up Kenny's backside so to speak. What a chicken s*** thing to do to LaRoche. Players bring their kids all the time to clubhouses. Very sad. Wonder if this will hurt the Sox in the future trying to sign guys. Again, I thought LaRoche was a pathetic hitter and I even despised his beard, but after reading this? Let him come back and bleep you, Kenny. FAMILY OVER EVERYTHING Not half as chicken s*** as judging people anonymously on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:46 PM) I don't think there's any chance. Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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