venom4789 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I still dont understand why people are upset about this. His boss told him not to bring his kid as much and laroche said fine he quits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) Doesn't that kid have other things to do? It's super weird. It's sure looks like other teams were jumping at the opportunity to acquire him..... If your dad was a f***ing major league baseball player, where do you think you would want to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:24 PM) I'm gonna comment first, then read all your comments so to not let them influence me. Yes I despised LaRoche perhaps more than any other player in Sox history. But now, after reading Kenny Williams wouldn't let him bring his son to the clubhouse every day, I have changed my tune. I would gladly see LaRoche hit .150 with 80 percent strikeouts if it meant bringing him back to stick it up Kenny's backside so to speak. What a chicken s*** thing to do to LaRoche. Players bring their kids all the time to clubhouses. Very sad. Wonder if this will hurt the Sox in the future trying to sign guys. Again, I thought LaRoche was a pathetic hitter and I even despised his beard, but after reading this? Let him come back and bleep you, Kenny. FAMILY OVER EVERYTHING either that should be in green. Or WHIFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 To me, a good compromise would have been to let spring training end as it was like last year--that's consistent. But if they wanted to change the policy about travel during the season, or clubhouse time, then that's fair too. If LaRoche couldn't deal with that, that's on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 07:39 PM) Maybe we'll hear from Ventura on Friday about this. Hopefully the campaign of the players to convince him to come back will go nowhere. It's a s***ty story. Nobody looks good here at all. Still not sure why the Sox don't look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 07:40 PM) Not half as chicken s*** as judging people anonymously on the internet. This post is very much worthy of a Ric Flair.... WOOOOOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:04 AM) Still not sure why the Sox don't look good. easy 2 words are in play... 1. perception 2. image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The way I see it, you can summarize this entire thing in one of two words... Integrity or Adolescence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 12:19 AM) If Jose Anreu or Chris Sale brought their kid to the clubhouse every day this spring and Brett Lowry didn't like it, do you really think KW would have done the same thing? That is the one question to me is most important. KW talked about being fair, but I think, and perhaps incorrectly, LaRoche's status as a player had something to do with this. maybe, but you do make a valid point. i remember a story on big frank missing most of ST..... this is a time when the manager had this shuttle run and every player needed to do it, and do it within a certain time. well the word was getting around that maybe frank thomas didn't want to run it and will the coaches make him. well the manager with the asst of the FO made frank do the run the first thing when he came to camp and everyone watched it. the sox have, in a limited access, have maintain a fair checks and balance. esp with all the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:20 AM) The way I see it, you can summarize this entire thing in one of two words... Integrity or Adolescence ummm i like it. nice wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (venom4789 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) I still dont understand why people are upset about this. His boss told him not to bring his kid as much and laroche said fine he quits. I like this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Veteran pitcher Blaine Boyer, a former Met and friend of LaRoche’s, told Rosenthal, “I honestly think this is between good and evil. I know which side Adam lives on.” I think there are a number of things going on here. One, LaRoche's apparently open religious beliefs, which, in general, tend to be polarizing in nearly every locker room. You can see it in some of the quotes, like the one above. Two, it was fine and cool for LaRoche to do whatever he wanted last year when he was coming off a strong season and had just signed a big, new contract. As some have pointed out, if it was Sale's kid/s, or Abreu's, etc., it wouldn't be handled in the same way. It feels like something that was accepted last year or in the past is suddenly an issue because of non-performance or loss of stature in the clubhouse...and also the influx of new veteran players certainly having their opinions as outsiders. The unfortunate part of is this is that Ventura, Hahn and KW weren't on the same page from the very beginning...of course, for all we know, Hahn told LaRoche and his agent it would be fine when he originally signed, and then circumstances changed, and at least 50% of it has to be LaRoche's performance level. In a way, it feels a bit like the same game of chicken that Orlando Cabrera and KW played after 2008...you can just imagine it not ending very well from a public relations standpoint. As fans and growing up around sports, we all can understand the MANY reasons it's not appropriate to have teenagers around adults, unless it's something like every Sunday/Family Day, you typically have a day game and a different atmosphere than a night game or especially on the road. It should have been addressed in the individual meetings or conference calls with the players in the days right after the season ended. Certainly, KW/Hahn/Ventura all knew there was an issue, or at least a potential issue...at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 07:25 PM) I like this post. If it was only so cut-and-dried. When you start giving ranges or parameters of 50-100% of the time, 0-50% of the time...there SHOULD be room for negotiation. It seems both sides are being stubborn...LaRoche, because he got away with it last year probably, and KW, because it's seemingly easiest for him to be the "bad cop" compared to Ventura/Hahn. Ideally, it would have been handled first by Ventura...unless Ventura's suggestions didn't seem to get through to LaRoche and/or LaRoche felt he had been promised his son could be with him when he signed and he felt that deal was being reneged on by KW/Hahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) It was every day this spring. It isn't every day during the season. He plays on 2 baseball teams. One in Kansas and one in Chicago. According to Dan Hayes, he is there more than most. He also said he is the most behaved kid he has ever met. He said a lot of the White Sox will genuinely miss him. I wonder when JR will have Gar tell DRose to give the father/son time at the UC a rest. Spring Training is prep for the season. I understand having him around for the first week or so and then maybe a couple days here and there but this is a business with a lot of money involved. It is ok to not have your son there every day and try to focus on getting better at what you are being paid to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 And now Eaton is retweeting pro-LaRoche things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 08:48 PM) And now Eaton is retweeting pro-LaRoche things Oh god. Something about the name Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) Spring Training is prep for the season. I understand having him around for the first week or so and then maybe a couple days here and there but this is a business with a lot of money involved. It is ok to not have your son there every day and try to focus on getting better at what you are being paid to do. He has been hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:48 AM) And now Eaton is retweeting pro-LaRoche things And responding to anti-Laroche tweets. Eaton seems to be one of LaRoche's biggest supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Twitter is a blessing and a curse. Mostly a curse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:59 AM) Twitter is a blessing and a curse. Mostly a curse. For someone quoted today as not wanting to say too much about it, he's been way to vocal about it tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) While they're at on this issue of team rules/regulations, they might want to think about addressing all the issues arising from social media, especially Twitter...whether it's the Oscars comment, or now, Eaton not taking sides (exactly), but it has the potential to split the clubhouse a bit before the season even starts, and you definitely don't want that happening when all the vibes were so positive. I suppose it's also a bit of the we, as players....can support our fellow teammate and Ventura (those inside the clubhouse)...but still put the blame on KW and make him out to be the bad guy. But that's a very thin line to walk on. You would think they would have learned from the Guillen Family and their use of social media and Twitter and Joe Cowley to retaliate against KW? Edited March 17, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 08:59 PM) Twitter is a blessing and a curse. Mostly a curse. It's the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I don't want to hate Adam Eaton, but here we are. He's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:11 AM) I don't want to hate Adam Eaton, but here we are. He's an idiot. Hasn't said anything too bad tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 09:12 PM) Hasn't said anything too bad tonight Defending a friend, nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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