Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) Thankfully people never learn from anything, or change anything. They didn't. They agreed to let the kid in the clubhouse. Please provide one story where he is anywhere near Oney Guillen in terms of distraction. Just one is all I need and I will apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) Can someone give me a summary of the past 200 or so posts? Thanks in advance. Press is largely on the Sox' side, Dick Allen argues that if it's not okay for the kid to be there all the time it shouldn't be okay any of the time, Major League reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) Can someone give me a summary of the past 200 or so posts? Thanks in advance. Honestly, you haven't missed much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) Can someone give me a summary of the past 200 or so posts? Thanks in advance. And we have another person saying it was agreed upon when LaRoche signed that Drake could be in the clubhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 All I know is we'll never have to watch Adam LaRoche try and hit left-handed pitching and/or hit into a shift in a White Sox uniform EVER again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Why are we not laughing more at Rabbit's tweet back to Chipper Jones last night? Brian Bilek @BrianBilek_ Brian Bilek Retweeted Chipper Jones 3 marriages & a knocked up Hooters waitress in 2 decades. #FamilyFirst...except when you're eating wings & get horny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The Sox saved 13million and we don't have to watch LaRoache suck again.. It's a win all around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) They didn't. They agreed to let the kid in the clubhouse. Please provide one story where he is anywhere near Oney Guillen in terms of distraction. Just one is all I need and I will apologize. Immaterial. All the team needs to decide is that this specific situation isn't working for whatever reason. That's it. The rest of it is worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) All I know is we'll never have to watch Adam LaRoche try and hit left-handed pitching and/or hit into a shift in a White Sox uniform EVER again. I'll be happy if they get past this weekend without him coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) I completely 100% agree with this take on the situation. Thank you. And I'll also add that Drake is probably crying 24 hours a day. I know I would be if I was 14 at the center of a giant sports controversy and my dad had given up millions of dollars because of me. I doubt Adam LaRoche intended for that consequence, but it started with his silly decision to quit over a very reasonable request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Immaterial. All the team needs to decide is that this specific situation isn't working for whatever reason. That's it. The rest of it is worthless. It doesn't explain why Oney wasn't limited when he was around. The only thing I can think of is maybe KW knew the firestorm it would have created telling Ozzie his kids couldn't be around so much, whereas LaRoche is obviously a bit more quiet. Edited March 17, 2016 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:32 AM) Nailed it. Keeping your kid in a baseball locker room is not good parenting. The kid should be in school. Oh for the love of christ, lay off this crap. How the hell do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) It doesn't explain why Oney wasn't limited when he was around. It literally does not matter for what is going on today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Lots of ESPN articles/videos backing the Sox on this. I think a lot of non-baseball fans will side with LaRoche. This seems like it's more than just a sports story. But most level-headed baseball fans will see through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Here's Haugh in the Tribune As the father of a 15-year-old boy, it bugs me that LaRoche allowed the story to get this far, to the point where baseball history will remember his son as the major reason he retired after 12 years. No son should be made to feel that responsible for the actions of his father. Williams repeatedly said he didn't want to make this about Drake and he didn't. But Adam LaRoche did. As a professional, it boggles the mind that someone paid so handsomely to produce couldn't acquiesce out of respect for his employer's request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) They didn't. They agreed to let the kid in the clubhouse. Please provide one story where he is anywhere near Oney Guillen in terms of distraction. Just one is all I need and I will apologize. It doesn't matter. Some players didn't want him in there. It's their clubhouse. They complained to Kenny Williams or whoever and Kenny was comfortable with being the bad guy. That's all this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) I see bat boys every game. I see kids not related to players visting teams every day. No one on Soxtalk called LaRoche a bad parent or said his son was around too much when a couple articles about the situation came out last year. If there was a policy in place saying Drake can come 3 days a week, I would be fine with it. But there wasn't, and still isn't. And he did the exact same thing last season. If it bothered a player and that is what KW is covering for, he could have waited a couple of weeks and changed the policy. LaRoche hasn't been playing so Drake's presence wasn't inhibiting his getting ready to play. If the team policy changed to no kids, that's fine too. you are still not getting it. Regardless if he is playing the kid is around all the time. The batboys and girls are not in the locker room. There is no change in the policy. Kids are still welcome. Unfortunately, the sox as most teams, assume that a player would not abuse the privilege of bringing kids in. He is not banned from the clubhouse. He just can't be there all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosoxgo2005 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) I think this is a pretty crappy move by the organization if its true that he was promised access. This is exactly how I see it having played out: Laroche is considering agreeing to sign with the Sox and says he will do so if his son is allowed in the clubhouse, on the field, etc. Kenny says something along the lines of "sure Adam! We love having a clubhouse that families have access to. He can shag balls, have a locker, etc. He'll be our 26th man! Other players sons, wives, etc., are involved in our clubhouse culture" He said this assuming Laroche would know where to draw a line. SOME access would be fine, but not complete and total access. Not in team meetings, team flights, etc. Laroche agrees, then his son takes part in literally anything and everything he and Adam want to take part in. Completely abuses the privilege of allowing families to be a part of the clubhouse culture. KW asks Laroche to scale it back. Laroche doesn't want to and retires. There is ZERO wrong with KW asking him to turn it down a hair. It doesn't mean Drake was "banned" from the clubhouse, just allowed in less often. Which is how it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) you are still not getting it. Regardless if he is playing the kid is around all the time. The batboys and girls are not in the locker room. There is no change in the policy. Kids are still welcome. Unfortunately, the sox as most teams, assume that a player would not abuse the privilege of bringing kids in. He is not banned from the clubhouse. He just can't be there all the time. And the pro-LaRoche people are acting like he was given an ultimatum that it's either all the time or none of the time. I'm happy the Sox didn't say none of the time, because in theory that's something that could hurt them trying to attract players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (shysocks @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 10:07 AM) Here's Haugh in the Tribune He's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 06:37 AM) Adam said that he doesn't believe in school. He thinks that Drake will learn growing up in a baseball clubhouse and taking standardized tests instead. I disagree. I think he needs to be socialized and be with kids his own age instead of growing up around adults in a baseball clubhouse. I didn't think this stance was that controversial. This entire situation is so weird. Why would anyone want a 14 year old kid around their workplace constantly? I can't believe anyone is siding with LaRoche on this. But you are conflating two different issues here. 1) You obviously disagree with his parenting skills; and 2) Having a 14 year old in the workplace As for the first issue, this is obviously a special case. He's not choosing to take his kid to the steel mill or to a regular office job. He is a professional baseball player, who travels the country, with a team, and plays in front of tens of thousands of fans every day. That is an incredible experience and life and to be honest, I'm not really sure any of us can say with any real certainty what is "best" for the kid. Is it ideal for him to be at the family home with his dad on the road for half of the year? So he can be in some classroom every day? I value education as much as anyone, but let's be honest here, there is more than one way to educate a child. Plenty of children have been educated in methods similar to this and turned out just fine. While it may not be ideal to educate every child this way, I think we can certainly accept one child being educated this way. It certainly doesn't give anyone enough evidence to comment on whether LaRoche is a good father or not. The second issue I tend to agree with the majority, but then we have all kinds of evidence of the players supporting keeping the kid around. I really have no comment on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 10:09 AM) you are still not getting it. Regardless if he is playing the kid is around all the time. The batboys and girls are not in the locker room. There is no change in the policy. Kids are still welcome. Unfortunately, the sox as most teams, assume that a player would not abuse the privilege of bringing kids in. He is not banned from the clubhouse. He just can't be there all the time. The bat boys arent traveling with the team to every away game and staying in the hotel with the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 09:43 AM) With what so many professional athletes do on the road, it's amazing to me they'd ever want any particular kid so heavily involved in the clubhouse. It's one thing to know your teammates will keep their mouth shut, but it's another to trust a teenager to keep secrets. I get the feeling this is a bigger thing if not the biggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The more I hear about this, the more it falls on KW for handling it badly. There are only a few ways this could have started... 1. Kenny did this fully on his own. That's bad - he really shouldn't be interfering in the clubhouse that way. Leave that to the manager, coaches and players. 2. A player (or players) went to KW about it. This is also bad in terms of what it says about Ventura and the players involved. But either way, even if this is what happened, KW's response should have been to go to Ventura, agree on a plan, and have Ventura handle it. Not KW. 3. A player went to Ventura, who escalated it to KW. Same as #2, Ventura should be the one to handle it. It's not about the decision - which was a reasonable and professional one. It is the way it was handled, which sounds like, badly by KW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 KW had Jerry's approval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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