Real Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) So Sale is now an idiot for firing on KW, something this board does with regularity when a player acquisition doesn't work out. I know lol, it's hilarious how everyone admits that KW was in the wrong here, and yet fires shots at Chris for doing what we all want a leader to do But when Chris does it, he's a tempermental teenager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 12:51 AM) No. Read his statement. He Sid if a teammate or manager came to him he would deal with it since the clubhouse is their office. It wasn't KW's . Did KW tell him a teammate or coach had a problem or did he just say there was a problem? And why did KW leave the whole entir ban out of his story. I think KW feeds Nightengale info and that falls in perfectly with Sales complaints about KW not being able to keep his story straight. Telling the players it was the coaches, thellimg the coaches it was the players and finally telling everyone it was JR. You really think KW didn't tell him there were complaints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) Hawk with The KW theory. Here;s mine dded to it. I know that I am wayyyy out in left field, but was just wondering. Since they tried to trade LaRoche and failed, do you think that there is even a smidgen of a possibility that all of this is from JR to get rid of LaRoche and it is KW taking the brunt to cover for him? I mean they do have their staff meetings. Any possibility that JR stressed the fact that after the fiasco last year and thus year having back issues, that JR may have implicated in their meetings.Enough is enough. Do what you have to do. I may be wayyyy offf, but who knows if KW did what he did the way that he did because he feels pressure from upstairs. we may NEVER know what really happened If this was a ploy to get him to retire, they all need to find new jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) You really think KW didn't tell him there were complaints? Wasn't there. Have no idea, still the Sox reneged on their deal according to another source. But that is cool because LaRoche sucks right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:55 AM) Wasn't there. Have no idea, still the Sox reneged on their deal according to another source. But that is cool because LaRoche sucks right? Which one you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Real @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:53 PM) I know lol, it's hilarious how everyone admits that KW was in the wrong here, and yet fires shots at Chris for doing what we all want a leader to do But when Chris does it, he's a tempermental teenager. huh? What leadership has Chris Sale shown here? He's shown zero leadership. A true leader would have gathered the guys in the clubhouse and because he's the leader they would all have fallen in line behind him. That isn't what happened, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) Which one you referring to? The one where now Nightengale says they agreed to let his son be around as much as he wanted when he signed. The big one. KW only let us know he told him to dial it back, he forgot he told him to not bring the kid around anymore. KW is full of s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:00 AM) The one where now Nightengale says they agreed to let his son be around as much as he wanted when he signed. The big one. KW only let us know he told him to dial it back, he forgot he told him to not bring the kid around anymore. KW is full of s***. Yeah, both guys are wrong and leaving out parts of the truth, IMO. Whole situation sucks, I hope come Monday neither are with the organization anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor13 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) The one where now Nightengale says they agreed to let his son be around as much as he wanted when he signed. The big one. KW only let us know he told him to dial it back, he forgot he told him to not bring the kid around anymore. KW is full of s***. A flaming pile of s*** has more integrity at this point then KW. He has lied or omitted things so many times in the last few days it's unreal. If he ain't fired I hope this team boycotts until he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) It does seem like horses*** that Kenny would ask to dial it back and not walk away from LaRoche with an affirmative agreement. If LaRoche had no intention of scaling back, why did it take the 4th consecutive day for Kenny to blow his top? It's a bad organization right now, mostly because Jerry wants Kenny to be there to make bad deciisions. Edited March 19, 2016 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 It would be the job of someone away from the team on a daily basis to address the issue with the player.The hope would be that the club house would function better if the blame was on the "front office" and not a teammate to teammate issue. How many people have the option to bring their kids to work every day? At some point the players have to do their damn job and get to work instead of entertaining kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 This is exactly what I said it was yesterday. Players and coaches went to KW and complained about the kid always being around instead of going to LaRoche. KW had meeting with LaRoche asking him to dial it back. LaRoche didn't do so. KW flipped out and told LaRoche that he couldn't have his kid around anymore. KW cooled down and went back to his original story of telling LaRoche only sometimes. Chris Sale is a moron and probably doesn't even realize that he has teammates that went to Kenny in the first place. Kenny fell on the sword and took this all so players and coaches didn't have to. It wasn't handled properly but LaRoche didn't exactly take Williams very seriously. LaRoche is irrational. I'm happy he's gone because he's weird and bad and I don't feel like watching him all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor13 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) This is exactly what I said it was yesterday. Players and coaches went to KW and complained about the kid always being around instead of going to LaRoche. KW had meeting with LaRoche asking him to dial it back. LaRoche didn't do so. KW flipped out and told LaRoche that he couldn't have his kid around anymore. KW cooled down and went back to his original story of telling LaRoche only sometimes. Chris Sale is a moron and probably doesn't even realize that he has teammates that went to Kenny in the first place. Kenny fell on the sword and took this all so players and coaches didn't have to. It wasn't handled properly but LaRoche didn't exactly take Williams very seriously. LaRoche is irrational. I'm happy he's gone because he's weird and bad and I don't feel like watching him all year. Sale doesn't care, KW told the players it was the coaches. He told the coaches it was the players, then he told everyone it was JR. He flat out lied and should be fired tonight. Noone in that locker room can trust him even RV and RH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Former pitcher and current vice sports writer Dirk hayhurst is on the score with Laurence Holmes and is just laying into laroche. Extremely entertaining interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:09 PM) This is exactly what I said it was yesterday. Players and coaches went to KW and complained about the kid always being around instead of going to LaRoche. KW had meeting with LaRoche asking him to dial it back. LaRoche didn't do so. KW flipped out and told LaRoche that he couldn't have his kid around anymore. KW cooled down and went back to his original story of telling LaRoche only sometimes. Chris Sale is a moron and probably doesn't even realize that he has teammates that went to Kenny in the first place. Kenny fell on the sword and took this all so players and coaches didn't have to. It wasn't handled properly but LaRoche didn't exactly take Williams very seriously. LaRoche is irrational. I'm happy he's gone because he's weird and bad and I don't feel like watching him all year. You really had the kid can't come around anymore yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Condor13 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) Sale doesn't care, KW told the players it was the coaches. He told the coaches it was the players, then he told everyone it was JR. He flat out lied and should be fired tonight. Noone in that locker room can trust him even RV and RH. That's fine. Chris Sale is a dips hit though. Probably why he got along with a 14 year old so well. Chris Sale's own teammates went to KW and said they didn't want the kid around. Then Chris Sale spouted his mouth about how the team loved the kid so much. He's either incredibly stupid or incredibly naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Why the hell was Drake on the mound during a drill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Condor13 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) Sale doesn't care, KW told the players it was the coaches. He told the coaches it was the players, then he told everyone it was JR. He flat out lied and should be fired tonight. Noone in that locker room can trust him even RV and RH. It is better they hate KW than Robin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Condor13 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) Sale doesn't care, KW told the players it was the coaches. He told the coaches it was the players, then he told everyone it was JR. He flat out lied and should be fired tonight. Noone in that locker room can trust him even RV and RH. That's fine. Chris Sale is a dips*** though. Probably why he got along with a 14 year old so well. Chris Sale's own teammates went to KW and said they didn't want the kid around. Then Chris Sale spouted his mouth about how the team loved the kid so much. He's either incredibly stupid or incredibly naive. Edited March 19, 2016 by Y2JImmy0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Why the hell was Drake on the mound during a drill? He probably was giving Sale some water, or giving Danks and EJ tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 01:19 AM) It is better they hate KW than Robin. So true, if they were mad at RV, they probably boycott a few games this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) He probably was giving Sale some water, or giving Danks and EJ tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) So true, if they were mad at RV, they probably boycott a few games this week And they probably suck until JR gives the OK to launch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:21 PM) He probably was giving Sale some water, or giving Danks and EJ tips. Well, if anyone can speak about carrying water... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 If Drake had been clocked in the head by a throw across the infield or hit in the head and knocked out by a line drive, would Adam LaRoche blame himself? How often can you directly disrespect a front office exec and not expect to have it blow up on you? How would or should any team president in a similar situation (who had expressed concerned about dialing it back at least once if not twice to LaRoche) react to seeing the kid in the middle of the field the next day? Would they write a reprimand? Fine LaRoche? What were KW's options? Back off? Have a "secret ballot" team vote on Drake, whether he should go or stay? Every player and ex-player has respect for that playing field...it's their office where they do their work. They earned the right to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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