Adam LaRoche retires

[Y2Jimmy0]

Why isn't there a single non-white player or coach on the side of LaRoche, inside or outside the White Sox organization?

 

That's very telling.

 

Hahn/Ventura/Sale/Eaton/Shark/Duke/Lawrie/Harper/Boyer=good

 

KW/Rollins/Avila=evil

 

 

Obviously it's not that simple, but imagine KW was to be fired. What free agent would want to sign with the White Sox, knowing that Sale and Eaton were basically running the club and dictating policy?

 

If someone like Rodon, Abreu, Jackson or Navarro said that KW was completely wrong...then I might start to think pitchforks are in order, but everything must be much more complicated than it appears in terms of the real/true opinions of the majority of the rest of the team, especially players added this past offseason.

 

 

Could have something to do with the White Sox letting LaRoche host a racist homophobe buddy at The Cell last year and make it a promotional night. It was disgusting then and it is now too.

[southsider2k5]

Completely meaningless to a results-oriented fan base.

 

Some people who rather have rapists who win. I have no problem with being able to recognize decent people and to make the cognitive differentiation between who to really hate as a player, because not playing a game well isn't really worth being angry at a person over, well at least for me.

[LDF]

kW can ask but if Adam says no, then there is an agreement in place. You can ask John Danks to take a pay cut, but if he says no, you don't give him a pay cut. Whether or not this agreement is in writing, there seems to be enough sources, even a pro KW source confirming the White Sox agreed to this. The locker, the uniform, more proof Drake was granted more access. If KW or a coach thinks it's a bad deal, and didn't want the kid around, another thing the could have done is just released LaRoche, but then they would have had to pay.

 

you are talking about language of the agreement. that is for AL battle to fight.

 

sale and eaton involvement is what is in debate.

 

i got it, what really happen was AL son was using kw personal toilet in his office and when kw came in, AL son did not flush after his morning constitutional and there was no toilet paper. that is the real reason on why kw is angry.

 

i know this is a silly part of my post, but debating the same thing over and over and changing the goal line is what is happening here.

 

DA as much as i had fun debating with you, your defense is really redundant with no new points, point that is even to the real argument. sale and eaton actions and reactions.

Edited March 19, 2016 by LDF

[southsider2k5]

A deal is a deal. There are things in all of our lives where we were beneficiaries of great deals, and some where all of us have been on the short end. That's life, the White Sox wanted Adam LaRoche on their team. In order to get him to agree to sign, they had to agree to grant his son access. The White Sox checked into it. He had the same arraignment in Washimgton, and Rizzo didn't lose his mind. They agreed to allow him the access so LaRoche signed with the Sox. Now LaRoche didn't play well so apparently to some, agreements made and word given, are then eligible to be broken. I disagree. They were 2 weeks away from being done with spring training, and he supposedly was at 120 games last year so 40 about KW's new magic number. You deal with it, and then change the rule.

 

 

“Though I clearly indicated to both teams the importance of having my son with me, I also made clear that if there was ever a moment when a teammate, coach or manager was made to feel uncomfortable, then I would immediately address it

 

Speaking of a deal being a deal.

[Dick Allen]

you are talking about language of the agreement. that is for AL battle to fight.

 

sale and eaton involvement is what is in debate.

 

i got it, what really happen was AL son was using kw personal toilet in his office and when kw came in, AL son did not flush after his morning constitutional and there was no toilet paper. that is the real reason on why kw is angry.

Could be. It seems it would not take much to get KW to erupt. That might get a lot of people. But if KW wasn't BSing and saying this had to be done now because it is about the next guy who wants all access, how does he explain the locker and uniform? Shouldn't that have been the first to go? Sale said KW couldn't keep his story straight, that he had 3 versions, and KW gave even another to the press, which totally omitted telling LaRoche the kid would have zero access. It is pretty apparent KW wasn't being straight. It might not be the "bald" face lies as Sale referred, but they were statements that KW tried to make himself look like he handled this better than he did.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Speaking of a deal being a deal.

 

 

I'm assuming Kenny didn't mention that others were upset. LaRoche didn't take it seriously because KW isn't a player or coach. I'm definitely not defending LaRoche, just wanted to point that out.

[Dick Allen]

Speaking of a deal being a deal.

Isn't in the realm of possibility KW didn't mention a player or manager or coach was made uncomfortable?

 

KW never mentioned he told him someone was uncomfortable except maybe himself, and he isn't on the list LaRoche mentioned.

[LDF]

Could be. It seems it would not take much to get KW to erupt. That might get a lot of people. But if KW wasn't BSing and saying this had to be done now because it is about the next guy who wants all access, how does he explain the locker and uniform? Shouldn't that have been the first to go? Sale said KW couldn't keep his story straight, that he had 3 versions, and KW gave even another to the press, which totally omitted telling LaRoche the kid would have zero access. It is pretty apparent KW wasn't being straight. It might not be the "bald" face lies as Sale referred, but they were statements that KW tried to make himself look like he handled this better than he did.

 

so anything that sale says is always the truth.... ummm

 

but this does not explain what the total reaction on sale and eaton's reaction. what is this, sale is the "he is lying police" now is wants to have that person punished. come on.

[caulfield12]

When we keep bringing up this whole "zero access" thing...

 

How many times would we expect to get warnings or "friendly advice" from our boss about something he felt would have a positive effect or possibly improve work performance....only for us to completely disregard it, pretty much do the exact opposite and then shove it in his face by having his son come with him every single day to the the camp and also having him out on the mound?

 

HINT: the answer is that very few non-millionaires could afford to take this position with management. In real life, people make deals all the time that eventually come up for renegotiation or "reconsidering" based on changing circumstances (or economic conditions, in the typical workplace situation).

 

What should KW have done when he had already been directly disobeyed at least twice?

 

Now if KW said in the very beginning after last season that he was cutting off all access to kids, zero tolerance, then clearly LaRoche would have had a MUCH stronger point.

 

But that's not what Williams did here.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2016 by caulfield12

[flavum]

Listening to Eaton, it seems like he thinks this will get smoothed over. I think bottom line for them...my sense is they hate Kenny Williams because they have no relationship with him, but they want to play for each other and everyone else around the team. So I don't think this is exactly over, but it may not have much impact on the results on the field. We'll see.

[daa84]

eaton basically said he thinks the sox are planting the story that players complained about drake.

[JoshPR]

I'm assuming Kenny didn't mention that others were upset. LaRoche didn't take it seriously because KW isn't a player or coach. I'm definitely not defending LaRoche, just wanted to point that out.

I think thats why Sale is pissed. Cause it came from Kenny. Sale considers Kenny Steped over Ventura and Hahn. Maybe if it was a coach sale wouldnt have been so pissed cause that coach has a clubhouse pressence. That and the fact that it seems Sale doesnt really like Kenny toi much made him explode. Like someone said, Sale was in ambush mode waiting for something to lash out at Kenny. And that kenny pointed fingers at everyone to justify his actions

[Dick Allen]

so anything that sale says is always the truth.... ummm

 

but this does not explain what the total reaction on sale and eaton's reaction. what is this, sale is the "he is lying police" now is wants to have that person punished. come on.

I don't think Sale has any reason to lie, and as was noted earlier, while the individual tweets made him look like he had lost his mind, the transcript and video of his comments were far more sane.

 

Also with Eaton, keep in mind he is the player rep, and has to be out in front in these situations, especially if there is a grievance potentially being filed.

 

 

I don't agree with the racial stuff. I just think the Sox black guys are really new to the team, and many of their Latin players are either really new to the team or don't speak English well enough to where they want their quotes all over the media. These new guys had known this dynamic for only a couple of weeks.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Listening to Eaton, it seems like he thinks this will get smoothed over. I think bottom line for them...my sense is they hate Kenny Williams because they have no relationship with him, but they want to play for each other and everyone else around the team. So I don't think this is exactly over, but it may not have much impact on the results on the field. We'll see.

 

 

I think it will have a positive result on the field because LaRoche won't be playing. They imported a bunch of veteran leadership types for a reason. The team will be fine.

[LDF]

Listening to Eaton, it seems like he thinks this will get smoothed over. I think bottom line for them...my sense is they hate Kenny Williams because they have no relationship with him, but they want to play for each other and everyone else around the team. So I don't think this is exactly over, but it may not have much impact on the results on the field. We'll see.

 

too bad nothing was asked in his part of this whole thing. his tweeting, which in my opinion help escalate or added more fuel to the flames of this incident.

 

but the no relationship .... does he expect for kw to ask him for dinner???

 

 

[flavum]

I think it will have a positive result on the field because LaRoche won't be playing. They imported a bunch of veteran leadership types for a reason. The team will be fine.

 

I hope so. They definitely have their built-in excuse, which is unfortunate. Doesn't mean it would be a direct cause, but it's locked and loaded if they start 22-33.

[LDF]

eaton basically said he thinks the sox are planting the story that players complained about drake.

 

it doesn't matter, this is a direct directive from the boss. any other reaction from an employee is called insubordination.

 

anyway when did the employee dictate to the bosses.

[Dick Allen]

I think thats why Sale is pissed. Cause it came from Kenny. Sale considers Kenny Steped over Ventura and Hahn. Maybe if it was a coach sale wouldnt have been so pissed cause that coach has a clubhouse pressence. That and the fact that it seems Sale doesnt really like Kenny toi much made him explode. Like someone said, Sale was in ambush mode waiting for something to lash out at Kenny. And that kenny pointed fingers at everyone to justify his actions

They asked Shark about it, and while he tried to stay out of it, just said that was White Sox business, but said the kid was a great kid, like a mini clubbie who didn't get paid, always working, cleaning spikes, picking up around the clubhouse, he agreed with you and thought the problem was because it wasn't handled by the players. Maddon said on the Cubs, this type of thing would be a players issue he wants no part of.

 

And the quotes by Sale on day 1 line up with this as he didn't think it was KW's call because he wasn't in the clubhouse enough to determine clubhouse issues.

[LDF]

I don't think Sale has any reason to lie, and as was noted earlier, while the individual tweets made him look like he had lost his mind, the transcript and video of his comments were far more sane.

 

Also with Eaton, keep in mind he is the player rep, and has to be out in front in these situations, especially if there is a grievance potentially being filed.

 

 

I don't agree with the racial stuff. I just think the Sox black guys are really new to the team, and many of their Latin players are either really new to the team or don't speak English well enough to where they want their quotes all over the media. These new guys had known this dynamic for only a couple of weeks.

 

i never said anything racial on any of my post ....

 

eaton can do his job as rep, but why the tweets???

 

ref the cuban and latino faction.... they are prob thinking these americans are crazy....

[Dick Allen]

it doesn't matter, this is a direct directive from the boss. any other reaction from an employee is called insubordination.

 

anyway when did the employee dictate to the bosses.

I understand respecting authority, but there are times you must step up for yourself and maybe your co workers. You have to have enough self respect not to let someone walk all over you.

[flavum]

Nightengale is about to be on the Score.

[caulfield12]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0827-story.html

 

Here's a story about "Faith Day" last year, and the Willie Robertson/Duck Dynasty connection (obviously, he has a very controversial, non-tolerant approach to homosexuality.)

 

The three players to participate were LaRoche, Duke and Beckham.

 

 

 

LaRoche’s teams never had a problem with him bringing Drake to the park, so long as he stayed out of the way. LaRoche’s teammates adore him. Last week, pinch hitter Chad Tracy walked by Drake. “You get any push-ups in today?” he asked. “Every day, you got to do 50.” Drake dropped to the floor and started doing push-ups.

 

On the day last year that the Nationals clinched the National League East title, most of the Nationals guzzled Korbel and Miller Lite. Drake hung with the other underage kid in the clubhouse: In the corner, he and Bryce Harper sipped sparkling apple cider.

 

One day this spring, as the Nationals stretched before a practice, hitting coach Rick Eckstein fed balls into a pitching machine that spit high in the air so Drake could practice catching pop flies. At the end of the workout, the Nationals lined up to run sprints around the bases. The first three players sprinted to first . . . and then came Drake, chugging along in front of LaRoche.

 

“It makes all of us who don’t have kids that age yet kind of jealous,” Zimmerman said. “That’s kind of the ultimate dream: to have your son in the clubhouse with you, let him interact.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/natio...b584_story.html

[LDF]

I think thats why Sale is pissed. Cause it came from Kenny. Sale considers Kenny Steped over Ventura and Hahn. Maybe if it was a coach sale wouldnt have been so pissed cause that coach has a clubhouse pressence. That and the fact that it seems Sale doesnt really like Kenny toi much made him explode. Like someone said, Sale was in ambush mode waiting for something to lash out at Kenny. And that kenny pointed fingers at everyone to justify his actions

 

the msg coming from the sox org.... the chain of command is really moot.

[JoshPR]

Nightengale is about to be on the Score.

Keep us posted

[flavum]

I'd be lying if I said it hasn't crossed my mind that everyone loves LaRoche - especially if you're white, Christian, and like to kill stuff.