Your new Supreme Court nominee is....

[bmags]

Durbin needs to be primaried. His sweet sweet love of procedure is embarrassing. How many times now has he made a strong effort on a weak procedural argument over a strong effort on a strong moral argument? He's lost every time.

How does nobody ask about Ed Whelan and how he may have knowingly advised proposing his classmate as committing sexual assault to help him get on the high court?

This was an egregious play, putting a partisan, liar on the supreme court who will now overturn every dem congress reform bill unless roberts starts to value democratic control over radical interpretation of the constitution.

And egregious plays require punishment. Courts should be packed, constitutional amendments should be fought for over curbing political spending and right to vote. To do so, the democratic party will need to win over new voters which is how it should be. Not merely eliminating opposing voters as the Republicans have done for the last decade.

And you can't do that with a mealy-mouthed dick durbin being too clever by half crying for an fbi investigation because his dem consultant said it was popular.

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

Durbin needs to be primaried. His sweet sweet love of procedure is embarrassing. How many times now has he made a strong effort on a weak procedural argument over a strong effort on a strong moral argument? He's lost every time.

How does nobody ask about Ed Whelan and how he may have knowingly advised proposing his classmate as committing sexual assault to help him get on the high court?

This was an egregious play, putting a partisan, liar on the supreme court who will now overturn every dem congress reform bill unless roberts starts to value democratic control over radical interpretation of the constitution.

And egregious plays require punishment. Courts should be packed, constitutional amendments should be fought for over curbing political spending and right to vote. To do so, the democratic party will need to win over new voters which is how it should be. Not merely eliminating opposing voters as the Republicans have done for the last decade.

And you can't do that with a mealy-mouthed dick durbin being too clever by half crying for an fbi investigation because his dem consultant said it was popular.

Do you really think that there was some magic question that they were going to ask of him that would change one single Republican vote? For crying out loud they're going to put an attempted rapist on the supreme court, you think they would care about it when he lies and says he had nothing to do with the Whelan thing?

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Do you really think that there was some magic question that they were going to ask of him that would change one single Republican vote? 

The best they could have done is gone after him for perjury on the drinking etc. 

I thought Durbin did fine, but once Grasserly intervened to save Kavanaugh the rest of the Democrats were just doing the "FBI" thing to score political points with their base.

[Dick Allen]

Just now, Balta1701 said:

Do you really think that there was some magic question that they were going to ask of him that would change one single Republican vote? 

I think a prosecutor would have caught him in a lie and not let him off the hook, and then they would have no choice but to drop the nomination. He did sound like a spoiled 6 year old yesterday when asked any question.

[pettie4sox]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Do you really think that there was some magic question that they were going to ask of him that would change one single Republican vote? 

I can honestly say everyone had their minds made up before Ford testified.  This is the country Trump built where even if there was evidence these guys would vote for party over country.

They don't care about America, only pushing forward their agenda to line their pockets.

[caulfield12]

Heitkamp and Manchin need to be gone too, if they vote for Kavanaugh.  As it stands, she’s already losing her race.  She would actually pick up more female voters taking a stand rather than siding with Trump, because the Trumpists are already lined up with her opponent.

Getting rid of Manchin won’t be as easy. 

[bmags]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Do you really think that there was some magic question that they were going to ask of him that would change one single Republican vote? For crying out loud they're going to put an attempted rapist on the supreme court, you think they would care about it when he lies and says he had nothing to do with the Whelan thing?

I don't care about changing a republican vote. A play to get "more investigation" was idiotic considering vote was scheduled next day. They needed to get him on the record with as much false info as possible that could continue to be investigated. 

They thought tricking him into saying they should investigate more would matter? They thought that would happen, then they could say "see he said it" because they thought it was a good ad soundbite.

You know what's a better ad soundbite? He voted for a supreme court justice that accused a middle school teacher of sexual assault to try and deflect from himself. 

[bmags]

Just now, caulfield12 said:

Heitkamp and Manchin need to be gone too, if they vote for Kavanaugh.  As it stands, she’s already losing her race.  She would actually pick up more female voters taking a stand rather than siding with Trump, because the Trumpists are already lined up with her opponent.

Getting rid of Manchin won’t be as easy. 

Manchin sucks, but lets be real, west virginia isn't going to produce you something better than Joe Manchin. Better to try and get two out of colorado or something.

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, bmags said:

I don't care about changing a republican vote. A play to get "more investigation" was idiotic considering vote was scheduled next day. They needed to get him on the record with as much false info as possible that could continue to be investigated. 

They thought tricking him into saying they should investigate more would matter? They thought that would happen, then they could say "see he said it" because they thought it was a good ad soundbite.

You know what's a better ad soundbite? He voted for a supreme court justice that accused a middle school teacher of sexual assault to try and deflect from himself. 

The f***? A play to get more investigation was idiotic, they needed stuff that could be investigated.

[Balta1701]

5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I think a prosecutor would have caught him in a lie and not let him off the hook, and then they would have no choice but to drop the nomination. He did sound like a spoiled 6 year old yesterday when asked any question.

I think you're completely fooling yourself. He would have either lied or more likely avoided answering the question and they'd have moved on because time would have run out, like happened with 10 other issues last night. Short of raping a 12 year old in the room last night, the Republicans have to get this done. 

[whitesoxfan99]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

I think you're completely fooling yourself. He would have either lied or more likely avoided answering the question and they'd have moved on because time would have run out, like happened with 10 other issues last night. Short of raping a 12 year old in the room last night, the Republicans have to get this done. 

 

A good prosecutor who got the time for each democrat could get a lot done in that time.  You just return to exactly where you left off the last time you were questioning him if a line of questioning is going well.

[caulfield12]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-hearing-history-clintons-220740

American Politics is Boofed

[Jenksismyhero]

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

I think you're completely fooling yourself. He would have either lied or more likely avoided answering the question and they'd have moved on because time would have run out, like happened with 10 other issues last night. Short of raping a 12 year old in the room last night, the Republicans have to get this done. 

Dems lost a chance to actually ask the guy pointed questions and/or to poke holes in his story. He spent ten minutes discussing his love for beer and drinking and yet denied ever getting excessively drunk and none of the Dems hammered him on that. He made so many stupid, exaggerated claims, but instead of asking questions, Dems grandstanded and tried to score political points for their future political careers. 

 

[caulfield12]

Seems the only Republican who would have crossed Trump on this one is McCain...

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, Jenksismyhero said:

Dems lost a chance to actually ask the guy pointed questions and/or to poke holes in his story. He spent ten minutes discussing his love for beer and drinking and yet denied ever getting excessively drunk and none of the Dems hammered him on that. He made so many stupid, exaggerated claims, but instead of asking questions, Dems grandstanded and tried to score political points for their future political careers. 

 

Dems eliminated John Tower and ended up with Dick Cheney...

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, Jenksismyhero said:

Dems lost a chance to actually ask the guy pointed questions and/or to poke holes in his story. He spent ten minutes discussing his love for beer and drinking and yet denied ever getting excessively drunk and none of the Dems hammered him on that. He made so many stupid, exaggerated claims, but instead of asking questions, Dems grandstanded and tried to score political points for their future political careers. 

 

I think only Blumenthal was previously an attorney. They people asking the questions just werent equipped with the ability to properly cross examine a witness.

 

[pettie4sox]

1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

I think only Blumenthal was previously an attorney. They people asking the questions just werent equipped with the ability to properly cross examine a witness.

 

Harris.

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, pettie4sox said:

Harris.

Then she did a poor job.

[Quin]

2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

I think only Blumenthal was previously an attorney. They people asking the questions just werent equipped with the ability to properly cross examine a witness.

 

Klobuchar, Harris, Leahy are all former attorneys.

[maggsmaggs]

Klobuchar was also a prosecutor.

[Dick Allen]

2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

I think only Blumenthal was previously an attorney. They people asking the questions just werent equipped with the ability to properly cross examine a witness.

 

This is how I look at it. Get a bulldog  who knew what they were doing asking him pointed questions, and his lies or non answers would be exposed. It wouldn't change 47 or 48 votes, but it would have changed enough. 

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

This is how I look at it. Get a bulldog  who knew what they were doing asking him pointed questions, and his lies or non answers would be exposed. It wouldn't change 47 or 48 votes, but it would have changed enough. 

Not a chance in hell.

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, Quinarvy said:

Klobuchar, Harris, Leahy are all former attorneys.

 

Just now, maggsmaggs said:

Klobuchar was also a prosecutor.

Wow thats pretty damning on them. 

Although I guess Blumenthal as federal prosecutor maybe had more experience in these type of cases.

[whitesoxfan99]

1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

 

Wow thats pretty damning on them. 

Although I guess Blumenthal as federal prosecutor maybe had more experience in these type of cases.

The 5 minute format is also terrible if different people each use the time.  Should have had more coherent plan for how to attack him if you were going to have each take their 5 minutes but the right way to do this if you weren’t having a prosecutor is to have the same person take the 5 minutes each time so they can follow up and continue lines of questioning.

[Soxbadger]

Just now, whitesoxfan99 said:

The 5 minute format is also terrible if different people each use the time.  Should have had more coherent plan for how to attack him if you were going to have each take their 5 minutes but the right way to do this if you weren’t having a prosecutor is to have the same person take the 5 minutes each time so they can follow up and continue lines of questioning.

Yep. And most importantly you cant keep asking the same question for half your time.

Asking for the FBI investigation took up what seemed to be 50% of the time, and Grasserly had already made it clear it wasnt going to happen, so Kavanaugh had cover.