Your new Supreme Court nominee is....

[southsider2k5]

23 minutes ago, Jenksismyhero said:

A lot of the times, yes, they absolutely bring it on themselves. But I hate this trend that any woman making an allegation has to be believed and it's the accused that has to prove his innocence and if you don't 100% believe the woman then that means you hate all women, you're trying to silence women, etc. etc.

While I believe Ford to be credible, I don't think it's wholly unreasonable if someone doesn't given some of the inconsistencies/lack of corroborating witnesses/missing details. People can have differing opinions about things and it doesn't make them a bad person who hates women (shock!). 

 

 

But at the same time, it is a crime that an investigation is taking place.  Makes sense.

[Quin]

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

I saw an old interview with the organization head who actually gave Trump the short list. He had a lot of names on there. I think about 20. He was asked who his favorite was, he said you could throw a dart to decide, it didn't make much of a difference. Trump picked this guy because he doesn't think a POTUS should be indicted. Once this is settled, it will be back to Russia and Michael Cohen....Kavanaugh being a Bush guy is a huge negative to Trump. He picked the wrong guy. 

Amy Barrett is even more conservative on social issues. She's just not a blank check for an Imperial President as far as we know.

[Dick Allen]

Any other time, this nomination would have been pulled by now. This is just the Trump Party giving a big middle finger to Dems because Trump always wants revenge. The collateral damage isn't even a consideration.

[Jenksismyhero]

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

Again, if they have this ability to do this out of no where, why have they not weaponized this prior to now?  Gorsuch would have been a more obvious target after the Garland fiasco.

They were given the bullet to fire the gun here. I'm not saying it's a grand conspiracy where they found someone willing to lie and fabricate this story, but they were gifted that person and then used it to their advantage. 

And the Gorsuch confirmation didn't have the time constraints like this one, or more practically, Gorsuch didn't give the GOP a stacked court and I don't think anyone expected Kennedy to retire so quickly. 

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, Jenksismyhero said:

They were given the bullet to fire the gun here. I'm not saying it's a grand conspiracy where they found someone willing to lie and fabricate this story, but they were gifted that person and then used it to their advantage. 

And the Gorsuch confirmation didn't have the time constraints like this one, or more practically, Gorsuch didn't give the GOP a stacked court and I don't think anyone expected Kennedy to retire so quickly. 

So they know that this person might be guilty of serious crimes, but if the GOP is willing to ignore it, so should the Dems?  Explain to me how this situation is different than the investigation and subsequent questioning and impeachment of Bill Clinton.

[Jenksismyhero]

1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

Any other time, this nomination would have been pulled by now. This is just the Trump Party giving a big middle finger to Dems because Trump always wants revenge. The collateral damage isn't even a consideration.

Correct, because the benefits well outweigh any damage it's going to cause.

 

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

But at the same time, it is a crime that an investigation is taking place.  Makes sense.

I'm certainly not the one saying that. I said they should have immediately removed him and started over so they could still confirm someone in time for the mid terms.

[Jenksismyhero]

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

So they know that this person might be guilty of serious crimes, but if the GOP is willing to ignore it, so should the Dems?  Explain to me how this situation is different than the investigation and subsequent questioning and impeachment of Bill Clinton.

I don't follow what you're asking. 

All i'm saying is the Dems are playing the game here. They were gifted Ford and a potential way to stifle the nomination process and they used her and the timing of the mid terms to their advantage. That part of the "conspiracy," which isn't even a conspiracy, I 100% buy.

The idea that the Dem party created all of this from nothing (e.g., found a woman to make fabricated claims to then derail the nomination) is something I don't buy. 

[Jenksismyhero]

I'm also not even saying what the Dems did is wrong. It's smart. Like I said, they're playing the game. 

[Dick Allen]

Lindsey Graham really wants Sessions' job. He stated if Kavanaugh can't get confirmed, Trump should re-nominate him. 

[NorthSideSox72]

10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Lindsey Graham really wants Sessions' job. He stated if Kavanaugh can't get confirmed, Trump should re-nominate him. 

lol, that would be even more idiotic than McConnell promising a vote will happen before the investigation can complete. Both are suicide runs that accomplish zero. It's stomping of feet.

 

[Quin]

3 minutes ago, NorthSideSox72 said:

lol, that would be even more idiotic than McConnell promising a vote will happen before the investigation can complete. Both are suicide runs that accomplish zero. It's stomping of feet.

 

So...perfectly in line with something Trump might do.

[Dick Allen]

3 minutes ago, Quinarvy said:

So...perfectly in line with something Trump might do.

Exactly.  Act like Trump, and Trump loves you. 

[Dick Allen]

Now Hillary chimes in about Kavanaugh. Please Hillary, I voted for you but............ You're over. Go away. You can only make it worse for his detractors.

[wrathofhahn]

1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

Any other time, this nomination would have been pulled by now. This is just the Trump Party giving a big middle finger to Dems because Trump always wants revenge. The collateral damage isn't even a consideration.

Ford could have chose to give the information to Republicans prior to kavanaugh being the nominee. Could have given the letter to both Republicans and Democrats then asked for her confidentiality to be kept then allowed her allegations to be investigated privately. Didn't do it.

That is one aspect of her testimony that is wholly unbelievable when she said she felt it was her civic duty to stop Kavanaugh she had so many opportunities prior why now? I know what Republicans are doing they know she has zero corroboration so they are content to turn it into a everyone else said she said but I'm actually interested in the whole truth regarding this allegation not only as it relates to kavanaugh but also Ford. She claims some "beach friends" are helping her out with costs who are they and how much money they've given her. She's received well over a million dollars in gofundme money since slipping it into her testimony where is that money going to?

With that being said Kavanaugh did attempt to minimize his drinking. While I believe him that he did not engage in the activities claimed by others in his yearbook I do think he was being braggadocios as a 15-17 year old and not being completely truthful of what he meant at that time. I also think had the sexual allegation not existed he would have admitted it freely and it's a distraction from the central question is there evidence that what Ford claims A) Happened B) Kavanuah did it. She hasn't even gotten to A) let alone B).

Edited October 2, 2018 by wrathofhahn

[Dick Allen]

5 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

Ford could have chose to give the information to Republicans prior to kavanaugh being the nominee. Could have given the letter to both Republicans and Democrats then asked for her confidentiality to be kept then allowed her allegations to be investigated privately. Didn't do it.

That is one aspect of her testimony that is wholly unbelievable when she said she felt it was her civic duty to stop Kavanaugh she had so many opportunities prior why now? I know what Republicans are doing they know she has zero corroboration so they are content to turn it into a everyone else said she said but I'm actually interested in the whole truth regarding this allegation not only as it relates to kavanaugh but also Ford. She claims some "beach friends" are helping her out with costs who are they and how much money they've given her. She's received well over a million dollars in gofundme money since slipping it into her testimony where is that money going to?

With that being said Kavanaugh did attempt to minimize his drinking. While I believe him that he did not engage in the activities claimed by others in his yearbook I do think he was being braggadocios as a 15-17 year old and not being completely truthful of what he meant at that time. I also think had the sexual allegation not existed he would have admitted it freely and it's a distraction from the central question is there evidence that what Ford claims A) Happened B) Kavanuah did it. She hasn't even gotten to A) let alone B).

So he lied under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Great SCOTUS nominee.

 

I also think if everything was the same except Republicans had Dr. Ford and it was Merrick Garland at the table, your take would be a lot different.

Edited October 2, 2018 by Dick Allen

[Soxbadger]

I like the idea that she should have trusted the Republicans. They are trying to push through a nominee who clearly lied under oath.

If he was just a regular attorney who didnt have the President/Senate trying to cover for him, that could potentially get his law license suspended, let alone disqualifying him from being a Supreme Court Justice.

I wonder in the future if other people lie under oath if this laissez faire attitude will continue. Maybe just get rid of perjury all together, because from what I can tell Republican's think its no big deal.

[wrathofhahn]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/02/records_raise_questions_about_fords_double-door_story__138225.html

The Fords bought the house on June 20, 2007. And the “very extensive, very long remodel,” including the second front door, were completed under a building permit granted in 2008. 

So a natural question is why, four years after the remodeling, which also added two rooms and a bathroom, is the installation of that second door still such a bone of contention between the couple that it was an issue in the counseling they were undergoing in May 2012?

And that may answer another strange anomaly. Because since 1993, and  through some listings even today, there was another tenant at what is now the Ford property. It is listed as this person’s residence from 1993 to July 2007, a week or so after she sold the house to the Fords.

Her name is Dr. Sylvia Randall, and she listed this address for her California licensed practice of psychotherapy, including couples psychotherapy, until her move to Oregon in 2007.

But many existing directories still have Dr. Randall’s address listed at what is now the Ford residence.

In a phone call, I asked Dr. Randall if she had sold her house to the Fords. She asked back how I had found out. I asked if she was the couples therapist who treated the Fords. She would not answer yes or no, replying, “I am a couples therapist.”

This was a professional drive by the democrats. Hopefully the media keeps digging.

[wrathofhahn]

On 10/2/2018 at 4:07 PM, Soxbadger said:

I like the idea that she should have trusted the Republicans. They are trying to push through a nominee who clearly lied under oath.

If he was just a regular attorney who didnt have the President/Senate trying to cover for him, that could potentially get his law license suspended, let alone disqualifying him from being a Supreme Court Justice.

I wonder in the future if other people lie under oath if this laissez faire attitude will continue. Maybe just get rid of perjury all together, because from what I can tell Republican's think its no big deal.

If the goal was to get Kavanaugh off the supreme court all she had to was send republicans a letter when his nomination was being considered. No way he would have been chosen unsubstantiated allegations or not this was not a battle they wanted to fight so close to the midterms. She didn't. She sent the letter to Feinstein who waited until the 11th hour to release it. I don't really believe in coincidences like this hopefully Graham gets his wish when the FBI investigation is finished into Kavanaugh they get to the bottom of exactly how this happened.

[NorthSideSox72]

10 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/02/records_raise_questions_about_fords_double-door_story__138225.html

The Fords bought the house on June 20, 2007. And the “very extensive, very long remodel,” including the second front door, were completed under a building permit granted in 2008. 

So a natural question is why, four years after the remodeling, which also added two rooms and a bathroom, is the installation of that second door still such a bone of contention between the couple that it was an issue in the counseling they were undergoing in May 2012?

And that may answer another strange anomaly. Because since 1993, and  through some listings even today, there was another tenant at what is now the Ford property. It is listed as this person’s residence from 1993 to July 2007, a week or so after she sold the house to the Fords.

Her name is Dr. Sylvia Randall, and she listed this address for her California licensed practice of psychotherapy, including couples psychotherapy, until her move to Oregon in 2007.

But many existing directories still have Dr. Randall’s address listed at what is now the Ford residence.

In a phone call, I asked Dr. Randall if she had sold her house to the Fords. She asked back how I had found out. I asked if she was the couples therapist who treated the Fords. She would not answer yes or no, replying, “I am a couples therapist.”

This was a professional drive by the democrats. Hopefully the media keeps digging.

I guess I'm unclear how this in any way means Ford's story is falling apart. Because there may be other reasons the front door was put in? I mean, that's not even as important as Kavanaugh's obvious drinking history he lied about, but neither really get to the main point of the investigation. Doesn't seem like anything to see here.

And do we need another thread for this same discussion?

 

[Quin]

3 minutes ago, NorthSideSox72 said:

I guess I'm unclear how this in any way means Ford's story is falling apart. Because there may be other reasons the front door was put in? I mean, that's not even as important as Kavanaugh's obvious drinking history he lied about, but neither really get to the main point of the investigation. Doesn't seem like anything to see here.

And do we need another thread for this same discussion?

 

We do not.

[Soxbadger]

6 minutes ago, NorthSideSox72 said:

I guess I'm unclear how this in any way means Ford's story is falling apart. Because there may be other reasons the front door was put in? I mean, that's not even as important as Kavanaugh's obvious drinking history he lied about, but neither really get to the main point of the investigation. Doesn't seem like anything to see here.

And do we need another thread for this same discussion?

 

Why does the author of the post not mention the fact that privacy laws exist and doctors are usually weary of giving out patient information?

And the reason he started a new thread is because he wants to avoid the issue of Kavanaugh lying under oath. Committing perjury over something as innocent as drinking, makes me believe he is willing to lie about things that are far more serious. 

Im pretty sure judge Kavanaugh would agree that if you have a witness who perjures about one thing, it casts doubt on their entire testimony. I mean why lie unless you have something to hide?

[wrathofhahn]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/02/records_raise_questions_about_fords_double-door_story__138225.html

On 10/2/2018 at 5:53 PM, NorthSideSox72 said:

I guess I'm unclear how this in any way means Ford's story is falling apart. Because there may be other reasons the front door was put in? I mean, that's not even as important as Kavanaugh's obvious drinking history he lied about, but neither really get to the main point of the investigation. Doesn't seem like anything to see here.

And do we need another thread for this same discussion?

 

Because unlike Kavanaugh who has multiple people corroborating his version of events Ms Ford only has her word. Whether she committed perjury is debatable it certainly seems extremely doubtful her story was truthful reading the information from the article.

What is sort of more important and now we know why we never saw the doctor notes is because had she done so the media might have done the legwork and cast a shadow on one her few claims of supporting evidence. Dishonest.

[Soxbadger]

10 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

If the goal was to get Kavanaugh off the supreme court all she had to was send republicans a letter when his nomination was being considered. No way he would have been chosen unsubstantiated allegations or not this was not a battle they wanted to fight so close to the midterms. She didn't. She sent the letter to Feinstein who waited until the 11th hour to release it. I don't really believe in coincidences like this hopefully Graham gets his wish when the FBI investigation is finished into Kavanaugh they get to the bottom of exactly how this happened.

You have no idea what Republicans would or would not do. From what I can tell there is nothing to suggest Republicans care at all about perjury, sexual assualt etc.

Who cares about timing? If they cared so much about the integrity of the Supreme Court, theyd have pulled his nomination immediately after he testified. They clearly dont. So the idea that somehow they would have done the right thing is completely unsupported by facts.

Last I checked the Republican's have no standards or ethics, lest we forget they refused to even give a vote on Garland because there was an election 8 months in the future. Now when its their pick, they are trying to jam it barely less than a month from an election.

Their hypocrites, and anyone who thinks for themselves can see it. 

[Soxbadger]

1 minute ago, wrathofhahn said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/02/records_raise_questions_about_fords_double-door_story__138225.html

Because unlike Kavanaugh who has multiple people corroborating his version of events Ms Ford only has her word. Whether she committed perjury is debatable it certainly seems extremely doubtful her story was truthful reading the information from the article.

What is sort of more important and now we know why we never saw the doctor notes is because had she done so the media might have done the legwork and cast a shadow on one her few claims of supporting evidence. Dishonest.

You do realize Ford isnt being nominated for the Supreme Court? Who cares if she lied, all Kavanaugh had to do was tell the truth. When he lied under oath, he disqualified himself. The only reason he would lie is because he is trying to cover something up.

What other reason would he lie about drinking? 

[wrathofhahn]

On 10/2/2018 at 6:05 PM, Soxbadger said:

You have no idea what Republicans would or would not do. From what I can tell there is nothing to suggest Republicans care at all about perjury, sexual assualt etc.

Who cares about timing? If they cared so much about the integrity of the Supreme Court, theyd have pulled his nomination immediately after he testified. They clearly dont. So the idea that somehow they would have done the right thing is completely unsupported by facts.

Last I checked the Republican's have no standards or ethics, lest we forget they refused to even give a vote on Garland because there was an election 8 months in the future. Now when its their pick, they are trying to jam it barely less than a month from an election.

Their hypocrites, and anyone who thinks for themselves can see it. 

The fact they hired a female prosecutor who handled Ford with kid gloves rather then question Ford themselves should tell you all you need to know. They are terrified of being seen as not compassionate.

After the hearing they all said they found Ford credible and felt something happened to her despite gaping holes in her story and memory even Graham dances around it. In fact the harshest criticism to come on Ford from the people present hasn't been from Republicans it came from the career prosecutor of sexoffenders who highlighted the holes in her testimony and said based on the testimony there was no case against Kavanaugh.